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Long Term Relationship - Mortgage Issues

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CB20 · 19/11/2022 17:04

Hi All,

Some advice needed as to if I am being unreasonable, as my partner has bought a house and I pay for half the mortgage and bills, but he refuses to put me on the mortgage/deeds.

A bit of background for context. I met my partner 11 years ago, we have been properly together for 9 years, and lived together for 7 years. (Not married, no children)

When we met, he was at uni, so I often paid for more things (not living together at this point). Once he started working and we moved in together, we have always split everything 50/50 rent/bills/food etc. for the past 7 years.

He went into a finance career and was soon on double, then triple what I was earning, but we still split everything 50/50.

We said we were going to buy a house towards the end of 2021, but Covid happened and I ended up furloughed and on £800 per month, he still had his £100K salary working from home. I still payed half of the rent and bills, which wiped out my £800, so I could not save towards a deposit. He still had his job, plus had minimal expenses because of lockdown, so managed to save £50K, and his family very kindly gave him another £50K for a deposit.

He still wanted to buy at the end of 2021. I asked him to wait a year, as I was working again so I could save towards a deposit, he said no. I offered to sell my car to give £10K towards a deposit, and he said no. I asked to be put on the mortgage, with his deposit ring-fenced, I have no interest in trying to take his deposit, and he said no. He made up some excuses about us not being able to get the mortgage if I was on it that didn't make sense (as I was working again and have a very good credit score), but I had a lot going on with family at the time, so didn't probe more on this. I got upset a few times and said I felt we weren't a team, and should I just move back in with family, and he was just buying a house on his own - to which he said he would be our house. He then said that we would get an agreement that ring-fenced what he put in, and what I would be contributing, so I thought that this would happen and we would get an agreement, which would be fine. In fact, at one point he was even saying he only wanted to ring fence what his family put in, and that what he put in would be split with me, which he didn't have to do, as i was happy for him to protect all of his deposit - however, this is not what has happened since, so I feel like this all might have been a lie to placate me.

So we then moved into the property, and I paid for half of the renovations which cost £5K each, plus I have paid for half of the mortgage from the start which is £865 each per month, plus half of the bills/food/everything else.

3 months in, I brought up the subject of the agreement, as nothing had materialised and I was paying for half of everything. He got very angry and said this would cost a few grand at a solicitors. So I questioned why he didn't just put me on the mortgage from the start, ring-fencing his deposit of course, as that wouldn't have cost anything. He then said I was "money grabbing", and "must have thought I had won the lottery". I was very hurt and confused by this, as we have been together so long, and I have always contributed half towards everything, even though I earned less money (there were extenuating circumstances/I asked him to wait and offered to sell my car, so I deffo wasn't money grabbing). In fact, I went to uni later (different background from him), and only graduated recently, but I made sure I still worked all through my degree to make sure I paid for half of everything, so I have never sat on my butt doing nothing expecting a free ride, we are just from different backgrounds. Even recently I have had to take on more work to support my family (I don't have kids it was for an unwell family member). I then said to him that when he saved for his deposit, I was furloughed with very little and still paid for half the rent/bills etc, whilst he was on £100K (plus bonus), so perhaps if he had contributed more proportionally, I would have had something to put towards the deposit - he then was very angry and said "what, you expect handouts". He then also said the house wouldn't be half mine just because I was paying for half of it, and I said obviously I knew it wasn't fully half mine, as £100K worth is his ring-fenced, but then after that I thought it would be half and half, as I was paying for half of everything, to which he said it wasn't at all, and I was "trying to get a windfall". This is completely different to the agreement that he said to me we would have before we moved in - which at one point he was even saying he would only ring-fence what his family put in.

Anyway, this really played on my mind. A lot was going on in my family life, a family member became unwell, which needed a lot of focus and attention emotionally, and was costing a lot of money, so I took on extra work. I was (and still am) working Mon-Fri 9am - 5pm, plus I work Mon/Weds/Fri/Saturday night 10:30pm - 2am. So I was very busy, emotionally drained, and very tired. He knows how hard I work and how tired I am, I regularly fall asleep driving on the way home from my second job, so it's not like I am lazy and expect handouts. However, still no agreement materialised. so when 6 months passed, I called a break. I told him that I felt taken for granted, and felt like he was not committed, that he doesn't want to act like a team or partnership, so he needed to make his mind up - it's either that or he's controlling, and that he just wanted everything his way - he gets half his mortgage and half the renovations paid on a house that is all his. Plus, whilst I am paying for half his mortgage, I can't afford to save up for one of my own. Plus, it is quite hard to even get a mortgage on an average salary alone, I always thought we were going to do it together as a team, so I am not sure I will even be able to get one alone.

Anyway, the break dragged on with no resolution, we are talking more again, so I asked about it again. Now he is saying that because I went on a break with him, he definitely won't put me on the house, not for a few years and even then "I shouldn't get my hopes up", and that what I am paying him is rent (this is very different to what he said when we moved in). I also literally went on a break with him because of this, so it seems very circular. I have tried again from a different position, as I have said that if the house is all his, and he doesn't want me on the deeds or mortgage, then I shouldn't be paying the mortgage - and I especially shouldn't be paying it, as when we moved, I moved in under the premise that we were getting this agreement and I had a stake in the house, that is why I was paying for half of everything - and now he is saying that what I am paying him is rent. He is furious about this and has said that I need to pay it as rent, or move out.

He said today that he thinks I don't "deserve" to be on the mortgage/deeds because I didn't save for a deposit, but, as I mentioned above covid happened - which he said was "very convenient"/I asked him to wait a year/ offered to sell my car etc, plus have always paid for half and of course expected him to ring-fence and protect his deposit. Plus, I would never had had the level of his deposit anyway, as I was on an average salary, plus paying half the rent - he is on £100K plus deposit, plus family help - so I would never have had anywhere near what he has put in. Lots of my friends were in similar situations, with someone having a bigger deposit, but people just protect and ring-fence it. I would understand if I was a new partner, or he had had bought the house before he met me, but we have been together so long, planned to buy together (there were extenuating circumstances and he didn't want to wait), and I have always contributed half of everything. In fact, my family live 10 minutes away, his live in the countryside 3 hours away, but he moved to London to work here, so I could have lived with my family down the road and saved if I had known we weren't a partnership/team, as I've spent about £67K in rent/bills living with him for the past 7 years.

I guess I am just posting this, as I don't know if I am crazy and unreasonable really, and just want some opinions please. Should I be paying for half of the mortgage if I am not on the mortgage/deeds? Should I be paying it when the terms have changed, he originally said we would have an agreement that gave me a stake in the house, but now he's saying what I am paying is rent - which tbh is what I think he planned all along, or he would have got the agreement drawn up from the start right? I've paid £13,650 in mortgage payments and for the renovations since we moved in 10 months ago, under the premise that I had a stake in the house and we were getting an agreement drawn up, which didn't materialise, and I've since been told that what I am paying him will be rent. I think, if he had told me this from the start, I would have moved back in with my family to save my own deposit, as I would have felt we weren't a team and he wasn't committed.

If I don't pay his mortgage, then I could save for my own mortgage, my family member is a little better now and I still have both the jobs - so I might be offered a big enough mortgage by the bank as my salary looks better, but I can't keep up both the jobs forever, as I am falling asleep driving home, so it isn't ideal - plus I have no social life and am very tired. Plus, it just feels really sad that we can't be a team, I've never expected handouts and pay for half. Where does that leave our relationship.

Sorry it was so long...

OP posts:
SpeedwellPurple · 20/11/2022 10:52

I am unsure why he thinks like this, I've thought about it a lot and it could be a few things: he's either not committed and doesn't really like/love me, so doesn't want to build a future with me - in which case, I don't know why he doesn't admit it, and what's he keeping me around for - to pay half of everything maybe, but that would be really mean and weird, and why did I not realise he was like that sooner. Or he is unreasonably controlling and wants to be in control of owning the house or whatever - also not a great reason, but maybe with counselling or self-reflection he could work on that? Or maybe it's something else, I'm just not sure.

Does it matter why? You can waste another decade of the best years of your life desperately trying to work him out, psycho-analysing him, cajoling him to see a counsellor, trying to fix him and change him into a decent person.

You can't change him.

He doesn't want to change.

He's getting exactly what he wants from you and sees no reason at all to behave any differently. He's just saying all the right things to keep you in your box, believing it's your fault - "oh, if only you hadn't done XYZ I'd have put you on the house/proposed". Utter bullshit.

It shouldn't be this hard. Get out, and enjoy life! You don't get these years back OP, don't waste them on this nunmpty.

Adelais · 20/11/2022 10:54

I know you don’t want to hear this but it’s not going to get any better so you either continue to put up with it or leave. Stop being a door mat and find someone who actually loves and respects you.

Readaboutyourself · 20/11/2022 10:55

Stop paying a single penny.

This relationship is dead.

2catsandhappy · 20/11/2022 11:21

It was all lies. So many lies! Has his family been muttering in his ear concerned about their financial input? Seems like they have more stake in the house than you.
No point in flogging this dead horse.

Because you love him you have trusted him and believed in a joint future. Sadly he is the opposite of trustworthy and he does not see you as his partner.
Time to leave. This week would be good.

PearlclutchersInc · 20/11/2022 11:27

What on earth are you still doing with this man. He's taking (taken) you for a ride financially.

Have a good hard think ....how you would advise a friend in the same position??

Appleblum · 20/11/2022 11:29

Have you thought about getting married so that you can protect your 'mortgage contribution' towards the house?

I can empathise with you and in the long term I don't think I'd want to stay with a man like that, but on the other hand I don't see why he should put your name down on the deeds when you haven't contributed towards the down payment. Yes you are paying half of the mortgage now but I would consider that to be rent. You'd need to pay to live somewhere else too.

RedAppleGirl · 20/11/2022 11:41

He sounds awful. However, if you were to stay together you would have a beneficial interest in the property. Whether this would be worth the provable cost is unknown at this moment in time.

Going forward he's a mean, abusive bastard and you should certainly cut your losses.

Quitelikeit · 20/11/2022 11:53

Wow he really has took you for a ride!

STOP paying his mortgage immediately- he is never going to put you in there.

he is greedy greedy greedy

he has took advantage of you, you have been far too fair and proud and you should have not been paying as much as you have

pumpkinsareshortlived · 20/11/2022 14:49

You seem pretty intelligent OP so why are you allowing yourself to be mantipulated and financially abused, day in day out? Tell him that you are not paying another penny in rent/ expenses. Stop doing a single thing for this utterly selfish pig of a man.

He is treating you APPALLINGLY. Just wise up and take note of everything ppl have said to you on here.

He doesn't care for you, only himself. Don't waste another minute on this manipulative tosser!

Mari9999 · 20/11/2022 18:11

I haven't read this entire thread, but I would think that many parents might have conditioned such a sizeable deposit investment on the terms that he, as a unmarried person, be the sole owner on the deed. If that were the situation, he may not have wanted to share that information out of concern that it might color your feelings about his parents.

Given the way the relationship is going that may have been a prudent choice on their part. He should however reimburse you for any out of pocket cost for improvement to the house.

The share of the mortgage that you are paying is probably not more than you would be paying in rent If you were living alone. So you are not really disadvantaged in the current arrangement..

However, your relationship may be so damaged that there is no easy way back. He has said things that you have found to be very hurtful and neither of you now trust the other. Better to have found these things out now rather than when you were tied to each other through property entanglement or through marriage.

You are young and can restructure your life in a way that works better for you. Don't waste time being angry with him. It is pointless to be anger with someone for them being the person that they are. It is much better to have discovered this lack of compatibility before you made more binding legal obligations.

Santagiveyoursackawash · 20/11/2022 18:28

You have been well and truly swindled op... How can you love a man who has taken the piss to the greatest level? He sadly doesn't love or respect you or you would not be in this situation..

billy1966 · 20/11/2022 18:37

You have been financially abused and used for years by a man who is truly awful and could care less about you.

An this is who you love?
You poor woman.

This is very sad.

Get any monies back.
Get advice about making a claim on the house if he doesn't repay you your money.

Then get the hell away from him.

This is only going to end up one way.
With you used more.

Don't waste any more years on him.

m00rfarm · 20/11/2022 18:49

You can still be in a relationship with him (if you REALLY want to) but go back to live with family. Let him pay for the mortgage and bills himself, let him live in HIS house and see how he likes it. And in the meantime, you can save some money and stop stressing about whether he will be "nice enough" to put you on the deeds of a property that you are paying for.

TheHumanExperience · 21/11/2022 11:25

@CB20 You know in your heart of hearts he's playing you. You know, don't you!

This is not love, it's not what love is. Your loving him makes no difference whatsoever, it won't make him love you or treat you better. You deserve more than this behaviour, we all do. Staying with him and hoping he'll change is deluding yourself, he will not change ever, this is who he is. He's using you and playing with your mind, and you are letting him by staying. Maybe it's convenient for you to stay but it won't make you happy.

Ask yourself 'when was I genuinely happy... when did I last feel GOOD in this relationship?'

What exactly is it you love about him?
What does he do or say that you don't like, or makes you feel shit?

What does he say or do to make you feel good, feel important in his life, and that he truly loves and cares about you?

Life is too short. All the time you're with someone like this who likes to play mind games, to keep you on the hook, you're missing out on a real chance at happiness. There are a lot of good men out there; he is not one of them and you know it.

Time to get out but I would stop paying all bills so you ca save that for a deposit for your move. Let him vent... Then you can leave with funds to make it possible.

Newlifestartingatlast · 21/11/2022 11:37

You have fallen into the trap that so many women posting on here have
completely naïve because you’ve put romance/sex etc in front of the need for a roof over your head, money you can live off and financial security .

do not pay anything more. You need to get money out of the property you “invested”. If necessary through small claims court.

if you really need to stay with him, insist on a full legal tenancy agreement where you pay rent. This will give you legal rights to not be turfed out on a whim (he has to give notice) and rights to a room of your own if things go belly up again.

otherwise, all the signs are that this guy is not committed to you or values you as an equal partner. He clearly has his priorities on his property, money and is using you as his “comfort” women and income supplement

never, ever again get yourself into this situation. You either refuse to move in without a joint ownership or “tenants in common” (where you earmark your individual investments). Or you live with someone as their legal tenant and the rights that gives you . Or god, forbid, you get married and ensure you have legal protections to joint assets as law will provide.

Living together is all very well if you have a partner who is decent and you do share 50:50 . But evidence on these boards shows that women who go into this sort of arrangement and it works well to start with, often find themselves financially improvised when it goes wrong after children come along. Having children outside of marriage is a fools game - it may work, but if it doesn’t you’re in shit’s creek.

Bedazzled22 · 21/11/2022 13:49

This man does not respect you. Hep has made you pay 50-50, even though your salaries are unequal into a property that you have no rights to. Stop paying any more contribution to HIS mortgage!!!

aloris · 21/11/2022 14:25

He expected you to pay half the renovations on a house of which you weren't an owner and don't even have a rental agreement in place. If you've paid a total of 13K toward mortgage/renovations, that is a very expensive rental! You're paying through the nose just to live with him. If you were on your own, I bet you could get somewhere cheaper.

I doubt you will get back the 5K you put towards the renovations because he will come up with some BS excuse or justification.

Although he seems to be set on 50:50, he was willing to be subsidised by you, back when he was earning less than you. But not the other way around, now that you are earning less than him.

You may love him but this man does not love you. He may be attracted to you. He may enjoy your company. But he doesn't love you. He is a user. A relationship in which you expect to give love without receiving love back, is a parent-child relationship. In a romantic partnership, love is supposed to be reciprocated.

totheskytothewest · 21/11/2022 23:28

Get out get out get out!

He sounds manipulative and controlling. I lived with my DH for seven years before we were married, he always earned more than me and we contributed proportionally to bills and rent so that we could save up to buy together. This sounds like a massive red flag.

CuteCillian · 21/11/2022 23:37

You are being used as a convenience in this arrangement. I'm sure if someone came along who this man saw as an life partner, there would be no hesitation to get a joint mortgage.

unsync · 21/11/2022 23:53

He's manipulating you. Dump him.

blueshoes · 22/11/2022 00:39

Not sure if anyone has said this but if you paid for a part of the mortgage and you paid for renovations, that could give you an interest in the property even though you are not on the title deeds and even if you are not married, but you probably need to go through the courts. Speak to a property lawyer and see what they say.

Ideally, this will exert enough pressure on him to buy you out and go for a clean break.

ShellsOnTheBeach · 22/11/2022 00:44

Whoopsies · 19/11/2022 17:48

I honestly don't know how you could stay with him. I know I have 'old fashioned views' on mn, but I couldn't stay with a partner who earned 100k+ and let me work 2 jobs, days and nights just to make ends meet. That is disgusting imo.

This - totally this.

@CB20 - i admit I did not read your entire post. But it shouldn't be this complicated.

He doesn't have your back. You know what you need to do 💐

BreadInCaptivity · 22/11/2022 00:45

aloris · 21/11/2022 14:25

He expected you to pay half the renovations on a house of which you weren't an owner and don't even have a rental agreement in place. If you've paid a total of 13K toward mortgage/renovations, that is a very expensive rental! You're paying through the nose just to live with him. If you were on your own, I bet you could get somewhere cheaper.

I doubt you will get back the 5K you put towards the renovations because he will come up with some BS excuse or justification.

Although he seems to be set on 50:50, he was willing to be subsidised by you, back when he was earning less than you. But not the other way around, now that you are earning less than him.

You may love him but this man does not love you. He may be attracted to you. He may enjoy your company. But he doesn't love you. He is a user. A relationship in which you expect to give love without receiving love back, is a parent-child relationship. In a romantic partnership, love is supposed to be reciprocated.

This.

Walk away. You deserve better.

MintJulia · 22/11/2022 02:28

Leave. After NINE years, he sees you merely as financially useful.

All you are to this man is a convenient source of sex who also happens to pay half his mortgage and bills. He is meanness personified and that type never get any better.

You deserve someone lovely.

asquideatingdough · 22/11/2022 05:16

You say you love him, OP. But what does that mean? How can you love someone who takes advantage of you, gaslights and insults you, and refuses to fairly share his good fortune with you? You seem very smart, hard working and kind. Leave and be good to yourself.