Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

I contacted the OW

367 replies

Wellitjustgetsworse · 14/11/2022 12:03

You may have seen some my previous threads. I tried to get over it after being lied to clinging on to his version of events as my brain has somehow wanted to believe him.

I was so clear that if we had any chance any chance at all at getting past this through therapy ect that I needed the truth and no more messages to be deleted.

I went away for a week and came back to find he's been deleting messages again.

His reasons are because he thinks I can see what's on his phone so he was testing this and that the messages were purely work related.

This morning something just snapped not in an angry way but just how can you think I will buy this anymore?

I asked for her number to message her and he sent it..

Don't think anything good can come from this and I don't even know why because I don't think she will message back or if she does she will just back up what he has said I imagine.

Sorry using this place as a space I can get out what's been kept in whilst also hearing other people's stories of being in a similar situation.

I've never felt so lonely or lost in my life. I feel I switch between believing him to thinking there is no way this is okay and I need to leave now.

OP posts:
Wellitjustgetsworse · 14/11/2022 18:13

CarefreeMe · 14/11/2022 18:11

I am very sorry for your situation but please don’t use womens aid or take up a space in a womens refuge if you don’t really need it.

These resources are meant to be for women who are being abused and not just because they’ve been cheated on.

There are only X amount of spaces, resources and money and using them will stop another women from being able to use them.

As I said before I've been speaking to them the past few years when he's done other stuff they aren't just for women who have been beaten black and blue but cheers not something I haven't struggled with.

I've spoke on the chat I. Depth with them and they wouldn't of offered if they didn't think my situation wasn't abusive

OP posts:
CarefreeMe · 14/11/2022 18:18

As I said before I've been speaking to them the past few years when he's done other stuff they aren't just for women who have been beaten black and blue but cheers not something I haven't struggled with.

I've spoke on the chat I. Depth with them and they wouldn't of offered if they didn't think my situation wasn't abusive

So if he’s been abusive for years then why are you bothering to waste your time messaging the OW.

The cheating is irrelevant.

Milesty1 · 14/11/2022 18:18

CarefreeMe · 14/11/2022 18:11

I am very sorry for your situation but please don’t use womens aid or take up a space in a womens refuge if you don’t really need it.

These resources are meant to be for women who are being abused and not just because they’ve been cheated on.

There are only X amount of spaces, resources and money and using them will stop another women from being able to use them.

She is well within her right to contact them and they will judge what’s worthy of support. There are all types of abuse, not just physical. OP clearly is in a difficult relationship so how about let the experts decide and you take your harmful comments elsewhere.

Creatingusernamesismygame · 14/11/2022 18:21

Sorry to hear you are going through such a hard time OP. I’ve had a quick skim read of the thread. One thing that I don’t get is why you won’t contact her husband?
If you think the OW and your DP are pulling the wool over your eyes and in it together, then why not give her a taste of her own medicine?
I’m sorry, but if I was in your position and I found out that the OW was deliberately getting involved with my OH, I wouldn’t hesitate to tell her DH before leaving my OH. It’s another thing if the OW didn’t know she was the OW and was also being lied to. I wouldn’t really be blaming her, but in your situation they are both playing with you. Tell her DH!

ShellsOnTheBeach · 14/11/2022 18:24

@Wellitjustgetsworse - don't listen to Carefreeme. You have been emotionally and financially abused for several years, you are without any support network and, at the present time, you have no money or any way of supporting yourself and your children.

Women's Aid is there for people like you. You are not obliged to wait until he starts to beat you up before seeking help.

The sooner you get out, the sooner you'll get back on your feet, and the sooner your children will no longer be exposed to this dysfunctional family life.

SandyY2K · 14/11/2022 18:34

@Creatingusernamesismygame

Sorry to hear you are going through such a hard time OP. I’ve had a quick skim read of the thread. One thing that I don’t get is why you won’t

Because the OWs husband pays the OPs partner and that feeds her kids.

Wellitjustgetsworse · 14/11/2022 18:36

SandyY2K · 14/11/2022 18:34

@Creatingusernamesismygame

Sorry to hear you are going through such a hard time OP. I’ve had a quick skim read of the thread. One thing that I don’t get is why you won’t

Because the OWs husband pays the OPs partner and that feeds her kids.

Also I don't really have anything concrete so much has been deleted it would just be my word and that's it. He probably already knows he works away most the year by sounds of it.

I wanted to don't get me wrong by I know for a fact it would get ugly if his work was impacted I feel that would tip him over the edge and I can't deal with that..
He can smash stuff up when he's angry I'd rather keep the peace and maybe tell her husband when I leave.

OP posts:
CarefreeMe · 14/11/2022 18:39

@ShellsOnTheBeach which is why I said if it’s just because she’s been cheated on.

I’ve not read any of OPs past threads so I can only go by this one which is all about him cheating.

If he’s been abusive then the cheating is completely irrelevant and the advice would be very different.

OP has said she’s spoken to women aid for years - there’s nothing new they can tell her.

The relationship just needs to end.

gottachangeforthisone · 14/11/2022 19:06

Just putting this out there OP.. I don't know what the situation is re money and housing or how difficult he will be but there IS a chance you could get a settlement for the children under schedule 1 of the Childrens Act 1987 ..
This blog explains it quite well.

www.family-lawfirm.co.uk/blog/financial-help-for-unmarried-parents-schedule-1-applications/

If you think your situation is covered here. You need to see a lawyer.

If it doesn't apply to you hopefully it may assist someone reading.

.... and if none of that applies then hopefully it will underline the importance of marriage BEFORE children, whilst the law is as it stands. If you are economically outstripped by your partner or dependent upon them financially.

Good luck OP. Your focus needs to shift away from him and what he has done - to you and what is best for you and the kids x

MyTabbyCats · 14/11/2022 19:17

Thing is, OP is that what you’re doing now isn’t working or progressing the situation in any way. Stop asking him the same questions because you’ll keep getting the same answers (lies). I’m writing this because it was something a dear friend said to me when I was in your position and I realised it was true and I needed to disengage. It was a wake up call for me.

You will be fine, just hold your head high. There’s someone lovely out there for you but in the meantime you can focus on healing, planning and pulling yourself up out of this and you will - and you’ll feel so proud of yourself when you get to the other side of this, I can assure you of that!

MsDogLady · 14/11/2022 19:36

WIJGW, I’ve wondered how things were going for you. Yes, he is cheating, but it’s a drop in the ocean.

This man is an abuser of the highest order. You’ve said your friend has even documented traumatic incidents that you had repressed. Your burdened tiny daughter has said, “Daddy stop making Mummy cry.”

Some of his destructive, abusive behavior:
*Sabotages your successes and opportunities.
*Berates and belittles you at home, in public, and in the car.
*Locked you out at night to frighten you.
*Woke you up to break up, then reversed later that day.
*Abandoned you in London and to return home when you had an important event and had booked a hotel, leaving you wandering around with no money and scared because a killer was on the loose.
*Ripped the baby gate off its hinges, smashed it and came at you with it.
*Bruised your stomach when he grabbed and pinched it.
*Blanked you in the car after your successful work event by putting in ear buds so you couldn’t tell him all about it.
*Calls you ‘chubby’ and makes sounds when you sit down.
*Threatens that it’s over if you don’t get back in your lane. You do the pick me dance, but nothing is ever good enough.

You know he’s having an illicit relationship with this OW. He was already having mentionitis about her ‘awesomeness.’ On that first night, when you heard his phone pinging and asked to see their messages, he initially said okay, but then snatched the phone from your hands. You saw deletions, exchanged kisses, and inappropriate remarks. It took hours for him to stop downplaying, admit that they’ve been inappropriately flirting, and acknowledge his ‘lapse in judgment.’ But he later rescinded that admission and told you to get over it.

Some days later they were back to morning/evening messaging, flirting and in-jokes. His phone is now glued too him.

WIJGW, trying to rumble these two slippery low-lifes to find a smoking gun is futile and is further destroying your emotional health. You already know they are making a mockery of you. Your H is an emotional/physical/financial abuser who enjoys controlling, disrespecting and tormenting you. He gets a kick out of it. And he doesn’t care that he is traumatizing your daughters, which will have far-reaching ramifications for them.

Look at the whole picture. In 7 years you’ve become trauma bonded to this monster, and you must rescue your girls and yourself by leaving. Caring posters have provided sources of help, and you’ve heard from Womens Aid that they will provide guidance and help with many things.

Access IC if possible for much needed support. Focus on an exit plan and get out of there. Flowers

SLeanne · 14/11/2022 19:44

I am a stay at home mum now even though I previously had a career and I have a degree. We also have a special needs child. Any husband who has an affair is disrespectful at the very least. Cut your losses.

ReneBumsWombats · 14/11/2022 19:47

Wellitjustgetsworse · 14/11/2022 18:36

Also I don't really have anything concrete so much has been deleted it would just be my word and that's it. He probably already knows he works away most the year by sounds of it.

I wanted to don't get me wrong by I know for a fact it would get ugly if his work was impacted I feel that would tip him over the edge and I can't deal with that..
He can smash stuff up when he's angry I'd rather keep the peace and maybe tell her husband when I leave.

You should get out if only because he's violent too.

Do you know for sure that her husband doesn't smash things up when he's angry?

ReneBumsWombats · 14/11/2022 19:50

MsDogLady · 14/11/2022 19:36

WIJGW, I’ve wondered how things were going for you. Yes, he is cheating, but it’s a drop in the ocean.

This man is an abuser of the highest order. You’ve said your friend has even documented traumatic incidents that you had repressed. Your burdened tiny daughter has said, “Daddy stop making Mummy cry.”

Some of his destructive, abusive behavior:
*Sabotages your successes and opportunities.
*Berates and belittles you at home, in public, and in the car.
*Locked you out at night to frighten you.
*Woke you up to break up, then reversed later that day.
*Abandoned you in London and to return home when you had an important event and had booked a hotel, leaving you wandering around with no money and scared because a killer was on the loose.
*Ripped the baby gate off its hinges, smashed it and came at you with it.
*Bruised your stomach when he grabbed and pinched it.
*Blanked you in the car after your successful work event by putting in ear buds so you couldn’t tell him all about it.
*Calls you ‘chubby’ and makes sounds when you sit down.
*Threatens that it’s over if you don’t get back in your lane. You do the pick me dance, but nothing is ever good enough.

You know he’s having an illicit relationship with this OW. He was already having mentionitis about her ‘awesomeness.’ On that first night, when you heard his phone pinging and asked to see their messages, he initially said okay, but then snatched the phone from your hands. You saw deletions, exchanged kisses, and inappropriate remarks. It took hours for him to stop downplaying, admit that they’ve been inappropriately flirting, and acknowledge his ‘lapse in judgment.’ But he later rescinded that admission and told you to get over it.

Some days later they were back to morning/evening messaging, flirting and in-jokes. His phone is now glued too him.

WIJGW, trying to rumble these two slippery low-lifes to find a smoking gun is futile and is further destroying your emotional health. You already know they are making a mockery of you. Your H is an emotional/physical/financial abuser who enjoys controlling, disrespecting and tormenting you. He gets a kick out of it. And he doesn’t care that he is traumatizing your daughters, which will have far-reaching ramifications for them.

Look at the whole picture. In 7 years you’ve become trauma bonded to this monster, and you must rescue your girls and yourself by leaving. Caring posters have provided sources of help, and you’ve heard from Womens Aid that they will provide guidance and help with many things.

Access IC if possible for much needed support. Focus on an exit plan and get out of there. Flowers

OP, I've changed my mind. Contact the OW to send her a bottle of champagne and a bouquet of roses to thank her for taking on this indescribable bag of shit for you. Think of her as a bin woman who isn't very gracious about taking out the rubbish but that doesn't mean you aren't glad she's doing it.

CharlieBoo · 14/11/2022 19:57

I really feel for you op, but you need to be strong now. STOP messaging her. START organising yourself. See a solicitor, speak to your parents, family about any kind of help. OW is not going to tell you what you want to hear. She will minimise or follow the party line.

He is playing you, gaslighting, making you paranoid. Take back control. Be strong. Tell him you need him to leave for a while, and you will see a solicitor about arrangements with the house long term. He won’t recognise the strong you, or know how to manage you.. and that is more powerful than what you’re doing right now.

I’ve been where you are. It’s a scary, horrible place, but I wish you the all the best.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 14/11/2022 20:02

That's good advice.

Look, you are still young; you can have an entirely different life going forward, that doesn't involve being a dependent, unpaid servant to a cheating clown who holds you in contempt.

Who cares what he does and with whom? He is a manipulative, untrustworthy, disrespectful lowlife. You need to stop obsessing over minutiae because nothing you find will repair this situation. You aren't in some teenage romance; you have a life to build and two children to take care of. What this loser thinks and does should be very low on your list of priorities, in fact it shouldn't be there at all.

You will have a hard few years establishing yourself in a job and place to live but what is the alternative? Get older, more removed from the workplace and more financially dependent on him? Do you think he is saving a pension or you, or will ever share his assets? Of course not.

It's understandable that you are feeling overwhelmed and quite frankly screwed over by the realities but you can do this.

And please use your experience to tell every young woman you meet to not become financially dependent and to not have children without being married to their father.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 14/11/2022 20:03

You've got to get out of there before your poor daughter is even more damaged. Whatever it takes.

KettrickenSmiled · 14/11/2022 20:12

CarefreeMe · 14/11/2022 18:11

I am very sorry for your situation but please don’t use womens aid or take up a space in a womens refuge if you don’t really need it.

These resources are meant to be for women who are being abused and not just because they’ve been cheated on.

There are only X amount of spaces, resources and money and using them will stop another women from being able to use them.

oh piss off you sanctimonious twit!

WA & refuges can & will apply their own criteria. They haven't enlisted YOU to triage for them.
WhoTF do you think you are, to put OP off whatever help she can access, in her extremely vulnerable position?

Why are you trying to forbid OP from talking to WA? Really - what is your agenda here?

Realtalk2022 · 14/11/2022 20:19

MsDogLady · 14/11/2022 19:36

WIJGW, I’ve wondered how things were going for you. Yes, he is cheating, but it’s a drop in the ocean.

This man is an abuser of the highest order. You’ve said your friend has even documented traumatic incidents that you had repressed. Your burdened tiny daughter has said, “Daddy stop making Mummy cry.”

Some of his destructive, abusive behavior:
*Sabotages your successes and opportunities.
*Berates and belittles you at home, in public, and in the car.
*Locked you out at night to frighten you.
*Woke you up to break up, then reversed later that day.
*Abandoned you in London and to return home when you had an important event and had booked a hotel, leaving you wandering around with no money and scared because a killer was on the loose.
*Ripped the baby gate off its hinges, smashed it and came at you with it.
*Bruised your stomach when he grabbed and pinched it.
*Blanked you in the car after your successful work event by putting in ear buds so you couldn’t tell him all about it.
*Calls you ‘chubby’ and makes sounds when you sit down.
*Threatens that it’s over if you don’t get back in your lane. You do the pick me dance, but nothing is ever good enough.

You know he’s having an illicit relationship with this OW. He was already having mentionitis about her ‘awesomeness.’ On that first night, when you heard his phone pinging and asked to see their messages, he initially said okay, but then snatched the phone from your hands. You saw deletions, exchanged kisses, and inappropriate remarks. It took hours for him to stop downplaying, admit that they’ve been inappropriately flirting, and acknowledge his ‘lapse in judgment.’ But he later rescinded that admission and told you to get over it.

Some days later they were back to morning/evening messaging, flirting and in-jokes. His phone is now glued too him.

WIJGW, trying to rumble these two slippery low-lifes to find a smoking gun is futile and is further destroying your emotional health. You already know they are making a mockery of you. Your H is an emotional/physical/financial abuser who enjoys controlling, disrespecting and tormenting you. He gets a kick out of it. And he doesn’t care that he is traumatizing your daughters, which will have far-reaching ramifications for them.

Look at the whole picture. In 7 years you’ve become trauma bonded to this monster, and you must rescue your girls and yourself by leaving. Caring posters have provided sources of help, and you’ve heard from Womens Aid that they will provide guidance and help with many things.

Access IC if possible for much needed support. Focus on an exit plan and get out of there. Flowers

Holy shit!!!!!!!! I hadn't read the entire thread! Oh why oh why do women get to this stage?! 😭 there are ALWAYS EARLIER TELL TALE SIGNS before it ever gets this bad!!!!!!

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 14/11/2022 20:21

Is this yet again the same OP who talked about having some TV work and the partner putting the spokes in every time? Who is messing about with a woman at work, possibly his boss?

If so PLEASE listen to what posters on here are telling you and STOP trying to make it right with this absolute arse.

I realise it may take a while to gather your thoughts and resources, but please STOP trying to analyse what he does, says and thinks. Anything to do with him is worth less than the products I find in my cat's litter tray.

KettrickenSmiled · 14/11/2022 20:24

Holy shit!!!!!!!! I hadn't read the entire thread! Oh why oh why do women get to this stage?! 😭 there are ALWAYS EARLIER TELL TALE SIGNS before it ever gets this bad!!!!!!
Then I suggest you educate yourself @Realtalk2022
Start with "why women victim blame" & then look at Stockholm Syndrome, POW brainwashing, & coercive control.
They are all the same thing.
Do some background reading c/o Womens Aid to find out how women get sucked into coercive relationships & how badly wrong third party perceptions of the dynamic is.

Then have a word with yourself about your smug fantasy that YOU would always see the "earlier telltale signs".

emptythelitterbox · 14/11/2022 20:28

OP You know there are probably many women out there just like you who need a place but can't quite afford it.

Can you look for a team up with another mum with small children to rent a place together?

TequilaNights · 14/11/2022 20:28

I'd be angrier and be telling her she needs to tell you the full truth or your next call will be to her husband.

Wellitjustgetsworse · 14/11/2022 20:32

Hey yeah it's me. I have a show coming out soon too. I don't want to throw what I have away. No one would think on face value how screwed I am for money and how my home life actually is.

I made some money since then but it's just not enough. I know I need to get a part time job and he will have to accept it.

I feel ashamed I'm back again it's been alot the past few months.

To the people who don't get why women put up with this. He wasn't like this in the beginning it got worse once I no longer had my own home and was pregnant.

Second child even worse then when living alone together the worst it's been yet.

I feel I've been chipped away bit by bit. A year will pass and you'll be like oh shit I've not really seen anyone no family and before you know it you are dependent on someone and the veil falls and you realize it was never about you it was about owning you.

OP posts:
Wellitjustgetsworse · 14/11/2022 20:37

When people say trauma bounded that feels exactly what it is. The cheating which seems irrelevant has been something that I wanted proof of as I can't get past it I can't go well he works hard or he's stressed because of work and brush it off.

Like I've done with pretty much everything else.

OP posts:
Swipe left for the next trending thread