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How do I address this with StepKids mother?

138 replies

WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 15:24

I'm trying to keep this short for everyone, but it probably won't be. I'm not asking if I'm being unreasonable so I don't think this belongs there, but if it needs to be somewhere else, please move it there - what I need to know is has anyone got any advice for how to approach this issue with my step-kids' mother. For a little (or a lot) of background info:
I have two steps-kiddos, one biological (husband's child) one the younger sibling of my husband's child, however her father was out of the country before the test even showed a result so...

Doesn't matter, they come as a set and seem to be awesome kids, so not a problem.
Here is my problem: my step-kids' mother (along with myself) cannot seem to draw the line financially, so to speak.
And I cannot ask my husband to address this with her because they have absolutely no contact. I don't 'blame' either one of them for taking that position, honestly, and I really just try to be as accommodating and diplomatic as I possibly can be with this entire situation.

My husband wasn't aware of my stepson's existence until he was almost 4, because his mother had spent his entire life telling several other men they were each his father, and getting support from all of them. (None of them lived in the same country, and none of them knew about each other. My husband was actually the last of the men to know...My husband had a one time liaison with her while they were in the same country, but she was married and when he found out soon after they had slept together, he washed his hands of the situation). He didn't hear from her for years after that. It was only after her main 'relationship' with the primary gentleman went badly that she tracked my husband down and here we are now.
My husband is still very jaded by the way she handled things and how she has (unfortunately) continued to manipulate situations for financial support... He won't have any contact with her. His son is a teenager now and learning English so my husband got him a cellphone so they can communicate and there's no need for him to have contact with her, he says...

I have tried for years to get them to do this between them but he won't often budge and whenever he does, she always does something related to lying about why she needs money (above what he and I send her on a regular basis) and for him it's not the money, it's the anger he constantly feels at the fact that she LIED to basically everyone for so long about the child's paternity and screwed them out of a relationship, etc. etc.
I don't ask what she does do with the money, ever, but her own mother stays in contact with me because it's (in her own opinion) the only way to keep her daughter on the honest and straight and narrow because she herself has been manipulated out of money and her main concern is her grandchildren, always)
I'll give you an example. When I was pregnant with our eldest child, my husband found his dream car for a good price. He bought it and was fixing it up, and hoped to save some of it for when our child was old enough to help, and he was going to hand the project car down to our child. (Remember, we didn't know his son existed at this time)

After we learned of his existence, she contacted my husband is a frenzy saying she and her brother had had a huge physical fight and the child had been injured in that altercation, and he needed to be seen at a hospital. She had no money, of course. My husband immediately sold the car for a pittance compared to what it was worth, and sent the money on over.
This is the beginning of my contact with my stepkids' grandmother because she wanted to check where the money had come from (she was still living in the country at the time)
When I told her what we'd been told she was horrified. Her son would never do anything like that to his own sister and certainly wouldn't hurt his nephew. So we were duped and my husband was enraged. Stepkids' mother then admitted she lied - I won't bore you with the details...

It's like every single extra lie about something just shuts my husband back down and it's months again, if not years, before I manage to convince him to extend an olive branch. It's exhausting and so I just don't bother trying to push the issue because it's not fair to him. I will add that, while it is not how I would have gone about things, I understand she was in a tough situation, and wasn't using the best judgment... so I do try to not judge her.
Oh, and stepson was born was born some time before we were together or married so there is no contention or acrimony - no cheating...

Anywho, I am typically of the opinion of being pretty much all-in financially - whatever money is needed and available is what is sent over without issue... But things have changed now and I cannot seem to figure out if I'm a dick or if she is overstepping.

Step-kids' mother does not work. I am not blaming or judging her at all, it is simply the way things are. She has no employment prospects and no education... In her home country she has no support at all, she only has her own mother who now lives in a different country and is letting her and the children live in her home while she is out of the country... When she met my husband she was married to a citizen of a different country and traveling for work with her husband... He found out she was seeing other men, had her deported, divorced her, and so on. So that's how she ended up in her home country, pregnant with no support. I imagine it's been a long and hard slog for her. She has had only basic schooling and has never worked a job.

Hope everyone is still with me.
So my husband and I send money regularly, and whenever extra expenses pop up. The silver lining is that, financially, we can just about afford to support two households because where they live the cost of living is a fraction of where we live. Does that make sense?
So the kids are cared for, all of them.

Here is the rub. My husband has (over the years) voiced his objection to basically me sending as much money as I do. He's not dumb, he knows what things cost here and over there and he thinks I'm overly involved (I am). He thinks now that my stepdaughter is in school (which we pay for) that their mother should go get a job, even if it's in a factory a long distance away.. Or means moving the kids from the stability of her mother's/their grandmother's home, into the city so she can work...

And the thing that has really thrown a spanner into the works is this past weekend she messaged to ask for money. No problem, except we are cutting back everywhere because we are having another baby and so everyone is having to make concessions. We are still able to give the kids what they need and some of what they want but we all need to be very careful about spending. I don't involve myself with what she spends money on because the kids are fed and have their uniforms and attend school so the money must be going on them, surely.
She now wants money because she has enrolled both the children into an extracurricular activity that is not related to school or Church (religion is very important in their community) and has contacted me asking me to send x amount of money to cover the registration costs for a huge jamboree they're having, and because she has offered to supply and cook all of the food for it.

This is the time of year whenever my husband and I move things around, squeeze and pinch so that all of the children can have some presents at Christmas. There is no other way to say it, really. And he is very upset that she enrolled them both into this extra curricular activity with absolutely no way to pay for it at all.
I wanted to gently ask her why she has done this, but it's not my business. I wanted to ask her how she plans to support this long-term, but it's also not my business and, although my stepson is old enough to contact his dad without her, stepdaughter is not and I don't want any hard feelings that develop because of this to result in stepdaughter missing out or contact (electronic, there is no physical contact, have never met either child in person) being withheld...
The activity is very costly, year round. Which is the reason our residential children at home don't participate in it, so it's isn't as though our children at home are having a go at it and the NR children aren't being offered the same opportunity...
Idk what to do. My husband is adamant that we should not pay for it, but I don't know if that's exactly the correct position to take.
What do I do? Any advice? Anyone ever been in this situation. I know I need to talk to him but it always ends up him feeling bad based on my argument of my position, and him giving in, but I do worry he thinks I value my coparenting relationship with the kids' mother more than I do his opinion on these matters.
I have nobody to ask in real life because my family all think I'm stupid for even entertaining her and not just blocking her because there has never been a DNA test, because by the time she finally agreed to do one, we only asked for one of those peace of mind tests... And she sabotaged the test by telling the post office there (the sample needed to be mailed) that my stepson had TB (he didn't!) and they then would not ship the sample. Also there is no reciprocity between our countries, so no court in either of our lands can force her to submit to one... So, no joy there...
Thanks for reading all of this, you're a gem.
Sorry that was very long.

OP posts:
Herbie0987 · 07/11/2022 15:45

I can see why you are helping but you are also undermining your husband at the same time. The ex knows you will always send money so has no incentive to get a job and support her children. Leave it to your husband to deal with the situation and be prepared to back him up. I would also request a DNA test with proviso no further money will be sent till parentage is confirmed.

KettrickenSmiled · 07/11/2022 18:23

but I do worry he thinks I value my coparenting relationship with the kids' mother more than I do his opinion on these matters.
He probably does, because you sure seem to.

It's like every single extra lie about something just shuts my husband back down and it's months again, if not years, before I manage to convince him to extend an olive branch.
Why do you take it upon yourself to micromanage how HE wants to handle contact with his ex?
Why do you persist in undermining him?

I wanted to gently ask her why she has done this, but it's not my business.
Why are you even in contact with her?

My husband is adamant that we should not pay for it, but I don't know if that's exactly the correct position to take.
This thread is either a wind-up or you are a controlling busybody.
Why should your husband pay for this expensive activity for 2 kids that are quite probably not even his, when he is already - naively - paying maintenance?
What are you getting out of all this virtue signalling & pandering to your husband's ex?

WhoWants2Know · 07/11/2022 18:41

You are making your own children financially worse off for the sake of two kids, one of whom has no biological connection with your husband and the other who may or may not have any connection. The mother has history for lying and sabotaged the DNA test.

It's not ok for you to do that to your own children.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 07/11/2022 18:44

Sorry but I got as far as:

And I cannot ask my husband to address this with her because they have absolutely no contact

Why is it any of your business then? Step back and let your 'DH' and his ex sort it out.

mrstea301 · 07/11/2022 19:11

This is wild.

Why are you paying maintenance for two children, that neither of you have ever met, one of which definitely isn't your husband's, and the other you can't be sure of as there's never been a DNA test?

I would cease all money until a DNA test has been done properly, and the mother has to get a job. Of course she's not bothering to her a job - you're paying for everything! Along with any other sucker that believes that they're related.

Think about your own children here. They are being impacted by children that none of you have ever met, or are sure that you're related to? Madness!

KettrickenSmiled · 07/11/2022 19:16

Utterly wild innit @mrstea301

MN seems to be attracting more & more of these ... oddly detailed & barely credible sagas from OP's who present themselves as bizarrely lacking in self-awareness.

NukaColaQuantum · 07/11/2022 19:16

So you’re paying huge sums of money for two children - one which is definitely not his, one which you haven’t had confirmed is his, for how many years now?! Bonkers. You could have had a test done when the child was staying with you.

SweetChild0mine · 07/11/2022 19:23

Wow. Not even sure I keep up.

I'd be sending her a little bit of money for the one child that might be his and nothing else.

She's taking you for a mug .. oh and she's a liar!

AgentJohnson · 07/11/2022 19:52

OP you need to take a massive step back.

WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 20:00

I will reply to everyone soon (a bit busy) but just wanted to point out that it's actually not huge sums of money. The kids have what they need with us sending just over a few hundred a month. Mine and my husband's incomes are just over 140,000 pa.
Yes I know there needs to be a dna test but I cannot force the issue, legally or otherwise. It took a very long time to even get her to consent to the one she totally tanked.
If I don't have contact with her nobody will. That's the truth. I have used every ounce of reasoning and all of my ingenuity to get them to do this between themselves and he (understandably) cannot. He gives it a good effort but then she does something that totally blows it all to hell and I'm back in the middle, receiving messages and emails.
Whenever she got in contact with my husband all those years ago she was sleeping in a field in a tent with the child, having burned most of her bridges.
That's all water under the bridge now, it's been around a decade since and she and I don't harbor any ill will towards each other.
I know this is a bone of contention for my husband but if he won't communicate with her to facilitate support for his son (he agrees he could be the child's father) and by extension his son's little sister (the sister is not my husband's child, she is only 6) then it won't get done.
How are we supposed to reconcile that?
No, there is no law that can force him to pay, the same way nobody can force her to present the child for a DNA test, but what is anyone supposed to do otherwise?
As for the little sister, my husband doesn't mind that the money is spent equally on the children, even though the younger one is not his responsibility, his only contention is towards their mother. We can't very well send 10p and tell her to buy stepson an apple and nothing for the little sister. It doesn't cost us a whole lot more just to add in extra so that the sister can attend school as well, and eat.
I wish this was a wind up. It is the only thing we cannot seem to find a common ground for.
I KNOW I don't need to be involved. I wish I could not be involved and they could be amicable so if anyone has any ideas how I can go about making that happen, I'm all ears, because I am fresh out of ideas...
Thank you for all of your advice

OP posts:
LemonDrop22 · 07/11/2022 20:03

Can you arrange a visit for the (possible) son and do the DNA test while he's here?

I suppose you'd still need her permission?

I'd be paying no further costs til the DNA test is done.

LemonDrop22 · 07/11/2022 20:04

My husband had a one time liaison

One incident of sexual intercourse?

With what contraception (if any)?

While possible, it's unlikely that she got pregnant by him from having sex with him once.

Soontobe60 · 07/11/2022 20:08

Sorry dear, but I think you’re bonkers!
why do you think you’re coparenting when you’ve never met these children?
Just leave your dh to sort it out himself. It really isn’t any of your concern. From what you’ve written, she’s taking you for a massive ride!

mrstea301 · 07/11/2022 20:10

I understand where you're coming from, but it doesn't sound as financially viable as you're aiming to make out. If you have a combined income of £140k, why do you need to "juggle things around" every year to afford Christmas?

What you are doing is very kind for the children, but I honestly think you're seeing this as a co-parenting situation, when it isn't. Essentially, you are sponsoring two unknown children in a different country.

Again - think of your children. What if you and your husband passed away? The son, who may well not be your husband'a son, will have a claim on your estate, to the detriment of your children. The children's mother may well have a claim on the estate as you will have been supporting her for a number of years, again, to the detriment of your children.

I honestly hope this is fake, otherwise you have placed yourself into quite a pickle, with much longer reaching ramifications than you may have realised.

LemonDrop22 · 07/11/2022 20:11

Incidentally she must think you're such a pair of suckers, paying for a child of hers whom neither of you are related to, cause you husband shagged her once (and she's claiming her half brother is his child but has never presented any proof; and it sounds like he wasn't the only person she was cheating on her partner with).

You're kind of a charitable institution, I suppose. Sponsoring kids in a third world (?) country.

I suppose you'll not stop even if a DNA test proves he's not you're husband's child.

If you're going to be a charitable institution, you'd best run it with some standards and rules. Not; whatever she wants, she gets she ever she wants it. No charitable institution runs like that, they couldn't.

WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 20:12

@LemonDrop22 because it is an important question I am not sure about contraception, I have never asked her. I asked my husband but to be fair, he was a bachelor, and alcohol was his friend. They both do agree alcohol was involved and he can't say for certain. And as for visiting, that is actually on the cards for next year. Finally. Didn't find out who stepson told her was 4ish, and by that time my husband's former line of work had issued a travel ban to that country. When the travel ban was over, he was a chemotherapy patient by then, and after his condition was managed and he is in remission (thankfully) covid hit... So it's been on the cards and now finally happening this coming year.
When my husband was in contact with her, she had, on several occasions, agreed to do the test for the consecular report of birth abroad, for citizenship purposes, etc, but she backed out at the last minute and they fell out, again.

OP posts:
WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 20:14

@mrstea301 we have a huge cost of living, unfortunately. Sorry, in response to your question above, I just saw it. And paying off debt associated with his medical care, still.

OP posts:
tenbob · 07/11/2022 20:15

Unless I have totally misread this, you are sending money for 2 kids, one who definitely isn’t your husbands, and one who there is a very small chance might be, but might also be the offspring of 4 other men?

And he sold a car to send her money?

are you both totally insane?

oh by the way, I also have a child as a result of a one night stand with your husband and I need money for them.
I’ll DM you my bank details, yeah?

LemonDrop22 · 07/11/2022 20:15

When my husband was in contact with her, she had, on several occasions, agreed to do the test for the consecular report of birth abroad, for citizenship purposes, etc, but she backed out at the last minute

I can't think why she back out of a DNA test if she knew your husband is the father of her son.

She either knows he's not, or knows there a decent chance he's not.

LemonDrop22 · 07/11/2022 20:17

I have two steps-kiddos, one biological (husband's child)

Buv you don't actually know that. There has been no proof to date.

And reason to believe he may not be.

Dragonskin · 07/11/2022 20:17

Sorry OP but I'm team DH here because you seem to have a big flashing red sign saying 'mug' above your head as far as this woman is concerned.

Your husband may be the father of one of these children but has no idea because it was a one night thing, there was no paternity test done and the mother was scamming everyone she could out of money by claiming they were the father. You know he definitely isn't the father of the other.

Why the hell are you bending over backwards to support a woman whose own mother wouldn't trust her as far as she could throw her and who refuses to make any moves to support herself and her children? Not to mention it sounds like this whole mess may be at a detriment to your actual children.

Just say no, you can't cover this cost as she'll need to cover it herself or unenroll them. And get a bloody paternity test done before you throw any more at them

WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 20:17

@LemonDrop22 she says she got scared, basically, because if he ever got citizenship, then if he ever touched US soil, he would be permitted to stay, and she wouldn't get him back which my husband has never ever said he'd do. Ever.

OP posts:
tenbob · 07/11/2022 20:17

Wait WHAT?

She keeps backing out of a DNA test and you STILL think this child is his?

Either this is a wind up or you two are the most dumb/gullible people on the face of the earth

LemonDrop22 · 07/11/2022 20:20

My husband wasn't aware of my stepson's existence until he was almost 4, because his mother had spent his entire life telling several other men they were each his father, and getting support from all of them. (None of them lived in the same country, and none of them knew about each other.

That means she was having sex with several other men who must have believed (unless she lied about her son's age) that it was feasible that they'd fathered her child. Which means she had sex with them and your husband all around the same time. Which makes it very possible he's not the biological father.

Dragonskin · 07/11/2022 20:21

Yes I know there needs to be a dna test but I cannot force the issue, legally or otherwise. It took a very long time to even get her to consent to the one she totally tanked.

Of course you can....

Dear scam artist

Of course we can not force you to have a paternity test done, but I'm afraid we will not be making any further payments until one has been done and proves DH is the father. Should that be the case we'll of course make any back payments due.

Yours sincerely
OP

Why the hell would she risk the gravy train coming to an end otherwise? Get a backbone for gods sake