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How do I address this with StepKids mother?

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WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 15:24

I'm trying to keep this short for everyone, but it probably won't be. I'm not asking if I'm being unreasonable so I don't think this belongs there, but if it needs to be somewhere else, please move it there - what I need to know is has anyone got any advice for how to approach this issue with my step-kids' mother. For a little (or a lot) of background info:
I have two steps-kiddos, one biological (husband's child) one the younger sibling of my husband's child, however her father was out of the country before the test even showed a result so...

Doesn't matter, they come as a set and seem to be awesome kids, so not a problem.
Here is my problem: my step-kids' mother (along with myself) cannot seem to draw the line financially, so to speak.
And I cannot ask my husband to address this with her because they have absolutely no contact. I don't 'blame' either one of them for taking that position, honestly, and I really just try to be as accommodating and diplomatic as I possibly can be with this entire situation.

My husband wasn't aware of my stepson's existence until he was almost 4, because his mother had spent his entire life telling several other men they were each his father, and getting support from all of them. (None of them lived in the same country, and none of them knew about each other. My husband was actually the last of the men to know...My husband had a one time liaison with her while they were in the same country, but she was married and when he found out soon after they had slept together, he washed his hands of the situation). He didn't hear from her for years after that. It was only after her main 'relationship' with the primary gentleman went badly that she tracked my husband down and here we are now.
My husband is still very jaded by the way she handled things and how she has (unfortunately) continued to manipulate situations for financial support... He won't have any contact with her. His son is a teenager now and learning English so my husband got him a cellphone so they can communicate and there's no need for him to have contact with her, he says...

I have tried for years to get them to do this between them but he won't often budge and whenever he does, she always does something related to lying about why she needs money (above what he and I send her on a regular basis) and for him it's not the money, it's the anger he constantly feels at the fact that she LIED to basically everyone for so long about the child's paternity and screwed them out of a relationship, etc. etc.
I don't ask what she does do with the money, ever, but her own mother stays in contact with me because it's (in her own opinion) the only way to keep her daughter on the honest and straight and narrow because she herself has been manipulated out of money and her main concern is her grandchildren, always)
I'll give you an example. When I was pregnant with our eldest child, my husband found his dream car for a good price. He bought it and was fixing it up, and hoped to save some of it for when our child was old enough to help, and he was going to hand the project car down to our child. (Remember, we didn't know his son existed at this time)

After we learned of his existence, she contacted my husband is a frenzy saying she and her brother had had a huge physical fight and the child had been injured in that altercation, and he needed to be seen at a hospital. She had no money, of course. My husband immediately sold the car for a pittance compared to what it was worth, and sent the money on over.
This is the beginning of my contact with my stepkids' grandmother because she wanted to check where the money had come from (she was still living in the country at the time)
When I told her what we'd been told she was horrified. Her son would never do anything like that to his own sister and certainly wouldn't hurt his nephew. So we were duped and my husband was enraged. Stepkids' mother then admitted she lied - I won't bore you with the details...

It's like every single extra lie about something just shuts my husband back down and it's months again, if not years, before I manage to convince him to extend an olive branch. It's exhausting and so I just don't bother trying to push the issue because it's not fair to him. I will add that, while it is not how I would have gone about things, I understand she was in a tough situation, and wasn't using the best judgment... so I do try to not judge her.
Oh, and stepson was born was born some time before we were together or married so there is no contention or acrimony - no cheating...

Anywho, I am typically of the opinion of being pretty much all-in financially - whatever money is needed and available is what is sent over without issue... But things have changed now and I cannot seem to figure out if I'm a dick or if she is overstepping.

Step-kids' mother does not work. I am not blaming or judging her at all, it is simply the way things are. She has no employment prospects and no education... In her home country she has no support at all, she only has her own mother who now lives in a different country and is letting her and the children live in her home while she is out of the country... When she met my husband she was married to a citizen of a different country and traveling for work with her husband... He found out she was seeing other men, had her deported, divorced her, and so on. So that's how she ended up in her home country, pregnant with no support. I imagine it's been a long and hard slog for her. She has had only basic schooling and has never worked a job.

Hope everyone is still with me.
So my husband and I send money regularly, and whenever extra expenses pop up. The silver lining is that, financially, we can just about afford to support two households because where they live the cost of living is a fraction of where we live. Does that make sense?
So the kids are cared for, all of them.

Here is the rub. My husband has (over the years) voiced his objection to basically me sending as much money as I do. He's not dumb, he knows what things cost here and over there and he thinks I'm overly involved (I am). He thinks now that my stepdaughter is in school (which we pay for) that their mother should go get a job, even if it's in a factory a long distance away.. Or means moving the kids from the stability of her mother's/their grandmother's home, into the city so she can work...

And the thing that has really thrown a spanner into the works is this past weekend she messaged to ask for money. No problem, except we are cutting back everywhere because we are having another baby and so everyone is having to make concessions. We are still able to give the kids what they need and some of what they want but we all need to be very careful about spending. I don't involve myself with what she spends money on because the kids are fed and have their uniforms and attend school so the money must be going on them, surely.
She now wants money because she has enrolled both the children into an extracurricular activity that is not related to school or Church (religion is very important in their community) and has contacted me asking me to send x amount of money to cover the registration costs for a huge jamboree they're having, and because she has offered to supply and cook all of the food for it.

This is the time of year whenever my husband and I move things around, squeeze and pinch so that all of the children can have some presents at Christmas. There is no other way to say it, really. And he is very upset that she enrolled them both into this extra curricular activity with absolutely no way to pay for it at all.
I wanted to gently ask her why she has done this, but it's not my business. I wanted to ask her how she plans to support this long-term, but it's also not my business and, although my stepson is old enough to contact his dad without her, stepdaughter is not and I don't want any hard feelings that develop because of this to result in stepdaughter missing out or contact (electronic, there is no physical contact, have never met either child in person) being withheld...
The activity is very costly, year round. Which is the reason our residential children at home don't participate in it, so it's isn't as though our children at home are having a go at it and the NR children aren't being offered the same opportunity...
Idk what to do. My husband is adamant that we should not pay for it, but I don't know if that's exactly the correct position to take.
What do I do? Any advice? Anyone ever been in this situation. I know I need to talk to him but it always ends up him feeling bad based on my argument of my position, and him giving in, but I do worry he thinks I value my coparenting relationship with the kids' mother more than I do his opinion on these matters.
I have nobody to ask in real life because my family all think I'm stupid for even entertaining her and not just blocking her because there has never been a DNA test, because by the time she finally agreed to do one, we only asked for one of those peace of mind tests... And she sabotaged the test by telling the post office there (the sample needed to be mailed) that my stepson had TB (he didn't!) and they then would not ship the sample. Also there is no reciprocity between our countries, so no court in either of our lands can force her to submit to one... So, no joy there...
Thanks for reading all of this, you're a gem.
Sorry that was very long.

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MsDogLady · 08/11/2022 17:39

Did I read correctly that she has committed visa fraud?

She’s still running rings around you both. She succeeded in making your H back down from having the test done by the physician at the consulate, the most valid and verifiable venue. He should have stuck to his guns and said no more funding until the consulate test shows a positive match. She doesn’t get to say no to that, or demand certain conditions.

She’s a highly manipulative con who must be restricted with boundaries and consequences. So far you’ve been enabling her agenda to control the narrative with her lies, demands and excuses.

The children won’t be living in a tent. They live in their grandmother’s home and she too is financially supporting them. Mark my words, this schemer has other sources of income, and she using a good portion of the funding on herself.

Stop being this criminals’s dupe.

MsDogLady · 08/11/2022 17:41

and she is using

SarahDippity · 08/11/2022 17:49

WhatToDoWithThisNow · 08/11/2022 12:03

@ICanHideButICantRun if you liked that, then you'll love this.
For his 9th birthday, (i believe it was) I asked him what he wanted. She TOLD me (translating for us) he wanted to go to a themepark that is comparable to Disneyland there, I can't remember the name of it, and so I said okay. At the time my husband was going through chemo and I was the only one working. So I do what I need to do, take on clients (self employed) and save and save. His mother and I had agreed that he would take ONE friend, because it's what he said he wanted. The money I sent would have covered travel, lodging, and a day at the park for him and friend.
The DAY I was waiting for pictures of his happy time there she sent me an email (pretty sure I still have it)
Reading along the lines of
'Please dont be mad at me but I asked child again what he wanted and he said he wanted a party for his whole class, instead...
So I booked a day spa for 20 of his classmates and they could all have a party and celebrate together'
My husband told her that wasn't the fucking deal and she'd better take him to the theme park, and she responded saying it was a done deal and had already happened!
What effing 9/10 year old wants to go to a damn day spa for their birthday instead of a theme park?!
It was what SHE wanted. Then there were the sm photos all over fb of her posing and relaxing on the day spa sign 🙄.
We fell out hard over that, and that was actually one of the times when I cut off contact for several months. I used to have a backbone...
Then she reached out asking to put it all behind us and start over (another test was agreed at this time) and we all just carried one...
Yep. Probably just change my last name to 'Mug'.
Be back later, ladies.

So when you say you can afford to support the child at $500 a month, that’s not really true, is it? Because here you are working extra hours, giving up time with your own children, while your husband is sick, to pay for an extravagant party for someone else’s child! Think about how much money you would have saved over the years, and how distorted your sense of obligation is!

Purplecatshopaholic · 08/11/2022 18:00

This has to be one of the most bonkers posts I have ever read on mumsnet, and that’s saying something. Op, what planet are you on? Seriously, I don’t get it. You are undermining your husband constantly, and for what? One child who probably isn’t his anyway, and one that definitely isn’t. This woman has her hooks into you two mugs because you are willing to pay whereas all the others wisely ran for the hills. I feel very sorry for these two kids, but they are not your responsibility. @Dragonskin, has it nailed - stop the gravy train and step away.

WhatToDoWithThisNow · 08/11/2022 18:04

Hi ladies thanks for the responses. Helping at the polls so this will be fast (if anything I ever post is short lol)

@MsDogLady yes ma'am, visa fraud. It was only relayed to use during one of the several immigration investigations my husband initiated at her request, because she had decided to allow the boy to love here with his grandmother and aunt for a better life. You all can guess that went badly and nothing ever came of it even though we were still out the money for the interviews etc.
@SarahDippity I do apologize I wasn't very clear in that posting. The bday party was years ago, and we have only paid this (large) amount monthly in the last two-ish years as our incomes have allowed. When it was just either of us working, and depending on our incomes, the amount was always adjusted accordingly. Back then I believe we were paying about 150ish monthy, and the party itself was about 300 bucks so in the grand scheme of things NOW, not a lot of money but back then, yea it was a large sum.
Thanks again ladies for the input and advice and really just the talking it through because it has honestly been a very long time since. My own family just think it's insanity.
Will update later after talking to husband and seeing what he has been able to arrange as far as a test is concerned.
And to the poster who asked about why we cannot just say no test no money, (sorry I can't scroll up and see the name) that is not something my husband is even willing to consider. The issue at hand is me being a doormat and always giving her everything she asks for. That needs to stop completely and he is going to decide a reasonable sum to send monthly and he will be the one doing the transfer and all of that and if he is holding to what he said earlier, it won't be anywhere near $500...
Until the test is done.
Okay ladies, talk later. XXX

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MMadness · 08/11/2022 19:09

Hmm.

Honestly, if you're happy paying the few hundred then pay it.

But, no more. I'd make the assumption he's not the only one she's gleaning.

Tell her you'll not be sending any more money and she needs to make do.

Don't be surprised if you turn up next year and she goes AWOL or refuses to let you see the boy

You need to be united with your husband, not overriding his feelings about the situation.

A simple "Sorry we won't be able to pay for xx activity. $$ is what we're sending monthly and this won't change. If you're unhappy with it we invite you to seek a formal assessment of child support elsewhere"

Done.

catandcoffee · 29/01/2023 22:36

What an interesting thread. Any update @WhatToDoWithThisNow

Yamaha1819 · 12/03/2023 01:48

I just stumbled upon this thread and I agree with everyone here. I wouldn't be paying a penny more until a DNA proves who the father is. Money to a random child who may not biological be your husbands is taking opportunities away from your own children. Even if you don't need to spend it, it could be put away into their savings accounts. Utter madness.

laroisenoire123 · 12/03/2023 06:22

She has backed out of. a DNA test several times. The child isn't your DH.

pasta56 · 12/03/2023 06:50

Far out. It's probably not even his child! Has the DNA test been done yet?

Situaciones · 12/03/2023 07:40

I wouldn't be paying a cent until a DNA test confirmed that he was the dad. She's done you up like a kipper. You're essentially giving a bunch of strangers money to support them? You need to harden up, love.

Notcoolmum · 12/03/2023 10:20

Why are you sending £500 a month to a scammer?

WhatToDoWithThisNow · 22/02/2024 15:29

Hi all! I wrote this post a long time ago and thought I'd leave an update. I haven't read all the replies because there are so many so I just wanted to answer a few questions and give an update.
Thanks for all the advice and feedback.
First thing, no DNA test has been done.
Maybe one will be at some point but my step son is close to being an adult now so it's a moot point almost. My husband arranged for one through the embassy but for several reasons (on my husband's end) a test could not be done. That's by the by now.

But the good news is about 8 months ago the kids' mom contacted me because she wanted to send stepson here to where we live.
He was old enough and had made the decision himself. The only issue was citizenship. My husband then worked very hard and did all the leg work and in the end he was able to apply for something called a CRBA - it is a document used to notify the government of a child born on foreign soil to a citizen, effectively claiming a right to citizenship for that child, if the patents and child meet the criteria.

The process was long and drawn out and my husband had to do it twice because he made one tiny mistake the first time so the process had to be restarted but, to sum it all up, my husband was able to acquire a CRBA and passport for his son and my step son arrived here before last Christmas to stay for the christmas period, and then returned to his mother. A few weeks after returning to his mom the two of them made the final decision for him to move here permanently. And he arrived back again a few weeks ago and is settling in.

There are plans for us to pay for him to visit his mother every summer for the next few years.
He is looking for a weekend job now but is really enjoying having younger brothers and another sister (our daughter is now almost 1).
It's been really interesting and rewarding getting better acquainted with him, he speaks two other languages now besides English so is enjoying teaching the younger kids and he has a work ethic like no other kid I've ever met.
Thanks for all the support and advice!

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