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How do I address this with StepKids mother?

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WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 15:24

I'm trying to keep this short for everyone, but it probably won't be. I'm not asking if I'm being unreasonable so I don't think this belongs there, but if it needs to be somewhere else, please move it there - what I need to know is has anyone got any advice for how to approach this issue with my step-kids' mother. For a little (or a lot) of background info:
I have two steps-kiddos, one biological (husband's child) one the younger sibling of my husband's child, however her father was out of the country before the test even showed a result so...

Doesn't matter, they come as a set and seem to be awesome kids, so not a problem.
Here is my problem: my step-kids' mother (along with myself) cannot seem to draw the line financially, so to speak.
And I cannot ask my husband to address this with her because they have absolutely no contact. I don't 'blame' either one of them for taking that position, honestly, and I really just try to be as accommodating and diplomatic as I possibly can be with this entire situation.

My husband wasn't aware of my stepson's existence until he was almost 4, because his mother had spent his entire life telling several other men they were each his father, and getting support from all of them. (None of them lived in the same country, and none of them knew about each other. My husband was actually the last of the men to know...My husband had a one time liaison with her while they were in the same country, but she was married and when he found out soon after they had slept together, he washed his hands of the situation). He didn't hear from her for years after that. It was only after her main 'relationship' with the primary gentleman went badly that she tracked my husband down and here we are now.
My husband is still very jaded by the way she handled things and how she has (unfortunately) continued to manipulate situations for financial support... He won't have any contact with her. His son is a teenager now and learning English so my husband got him a cellphone so they can communicate and there's no need for him to have contact with her, he says...

I have tried for years to get them to do this between them but he won't often budge and whenever he does, she always does something related to lying about why she needs money (above what he and I send her on a regular basis) and for him it's not the money, it's the anger he constantly feels at the fact that she LIED to basically everyone for so long about the child's paternity and screwed them out of a relationship, etc. etc.
I don't ask what she does do with the money, ever, but her own mother stays in contact with me because it's (in her own opinion) the only way to keep her daughter on the honest and straight and narrow because she herself has been manipulated out of money and her main concern is her grandchildren, always)
I'll give you an example. When I was pregnant with our eldest child, my husband found his dream car for a good price. He bought it and was fixing it up, and hoped to save some of it for when our child was old enough to help, and he was going to hand the project car down to our child. (Remember, we didn't know his son existed at this time)

After we learned of his existence, she contacted my husband is a frenzy saying she and her brother had had a huge physical fight and the child had been injured in that altercation, and he needed to be seen at a hospital. She had no money, of course. My husband immediately sold the car for a pittance compared to what it was worth, and sent the money on over.
This is the beginning of my contact with my stepkids' grandmother because she wanted to check where the money had come from (she was still living in the country at the time)
When I told her what we'd been told she was horrified. Her son would never do anything like that to his own sister and certainly wouldn't hurt his nephew. So we were duped and my husband was enraged. Stepkids' mother then admitted she lied - I won't bore you with the details...

It's like every single extra lie about something just shuts my husband back down and it's months again, if not years, before I manage to convince him to extend an olive branch. It's exhausting and so I just don't bother trying to push the issue because it's not fair to him. I will add that, while it is not how I would have gone about things, I understand she was in a tough situation, and wasn't using the best judgment... so I do try to not judge her.
Oh, and stepson was born was born some time before we were together or married so there is no contention or acrimony - no cheating...

Anywho, I am typically of the opinion of being pretty much all-in financially - whatever money is needed and available is what is sent over without issue... But things have changed now and I cannot seem to figure out if I'm a dick or if she is overstepping.

Step-kids' mother does not work. I am not blaming or judging her at all, it is simply the way things are. She has no employment prospects and no education... In her home country she has no support at all, she only has her own mother who now lives in a different country and is letting her and the children live in her home while she is out of the country... When she met my husband she was married to a citizen of a different country and traveling for work with her husband... He found out she was seeing other men, had her deported, divorced her, and so on. So that's how she ended up in her home country, pregnant with no support. I imagine it's been a long and hard slog for her. She has had only basic schooling and has never worked a job.

Hope everyone is still with me.
So my husband and I send money regularly, and whenever extra expenses pop up. The silver lining is that, financially, we can just about afford to support two households because where they live the cost of living is a fraction of where we live. Does that make sense?
So the kids are cared for, all of them.

Here is the rub. My husband has (over the years) voiced his objection to basically me sending as much money as I do. He's not dumb, he knows what things cost here and over there and he thinks I'm overly involved (I am). He thinks now that my stepdaughter is in school (which we pay for) that their mother should go get a job, even if it's in a factory a long distance away.. Or means moving the kids from the stability of her mother's/their grandmother's home, into the city so she can work...

And the thing that has really thrown a spanner into the works is this past weekend she messaged to ask for money. No problem, except we are cutting back everywhere because we are having another baby and so everyone is having to make concessions. We are still able to give the kids what they need and some of what they want but we all need to be very careful about spending. I don't involve myself with what she spends money on because the kids are fed and have their uniforms and attend school so the money must be going on them, surely.
She now wants money because she has enrolled both the children into an extracurricular activity that is not related to school or Church (religion is very important in their community) and has contacted me asking me to send x amount of money to cover the registration costs for a huge jamboree they're having, and because she has offered to supply and cook all of the food for it.

This is the time of year whenever my husband and I move things around, squeeze and pinch so that all of the children can have some presents at Christmas. There is no other way to say it, really. And he is very upset that she enrolled them both into this extra curricular activity with absolutely no way to pay for it at all.
I wanted to gently ask her why she has done this, but it's not my business. I wanted to ask her how she plans to support this long-term, but it's also not my business and, although my stepson is old enough to contact his dad without her, stepdaughter is not and I don't want any hard feelings that develop because of this to result in stepdaughter missing out or contact (electronic, there is no physical contact, have never met either child in person) being withheld...
The activity is very costly, year round. Which is the reason our residential children at home don't participate in it, so it's isn't as though our children at home are having a go at it and the NR children aren't being offered the same opportunity...
Idk what to do. My husband is adamant that we should not pay for it, but I don't know if that's exactly the correct position to take.
What do I do? Any advice? Anyone ever been in this situation. I know I need to talk to him but it always ends up him feeling bad based on my argument of my position, and him giving in, but I do worry he thinks I value my coparenting relationship with the kids' mother more than I do his opinion on these matters.
I have nobody to ask in real life because my family all think I'm stupid for even entertaining her and not just blocking her because there has never been a DNA test, because by the time she finally agreed to do one, we only asked for one of those peace of mind tests... And she sabotaged the test by telling the post office there (the sample needed to be mailed) that my stepson had TB (he didn't!) and they then would not ship the sample. Also there is no reciprocity between our countries, so no court in either of our lands can force her to submit to one... So, no joy there...
Thanks for reading all of this, you're a gem.
Sorry that was very long.

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LemonDrop22 · 07/11/2022 20:48

How did she work her way through the other men ... Did she refuse them DBA tests too so they stopped paying, or did they do them and find out they weren't the father and stop paying?

LemonDrop22 · 07/11/2022 20:52

I would wager she did the same thing with them, keep delaying/making excuses and they came to the fair conclusion that she didn't know and that there was a good chance they weren't.

At the moment you and your husband have self selected as the softest, least assertive, most emotionally black mailable of the bunch.

Wallywobbles · 07/11/2022 20:53

You have way more power than you think. You are her only source of money. She will do the test. She might balk and threaten but she WILL do it.

WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 20:54

@LemonDrop22 I did have some communication with her former husband, actually. Her former husband had a test done (he was actually on the BC by default but he did not believe he was the father.
She didn't really press HIM being the father, to hear him tell it and he believes it's because he had access to the child (when the child was weeks old) and could definitely get a test done and get some results. He actually has contact with her mom, because, believe it or not, step kids mom and her ex husband had a child together who was born on US soil (military instillation) and has citizenship, so whenever they divorced, the care and control of the child defaulted to the father because the child wasn't a PH citizen so could not go live in the country. He is the one who pointed us to the names of two other gentleman, and that's how we had contact with the other men, who told us that they all thought the same thing, that they were the boys father.
None of the others have been tested as far as I'm aware because they are all of the same opinion as everyone else here that she can't be trusted as far as she can be thrown so they just dropped contact...

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Wallywobbles · 07/11/2022 20:54

And if she doesn't then I'm afraid he is absolutely NOT the father.

LemonDrop22 · 07/11/2022 20:55

If you're too soft to stop paying til a DNA test has been done ..... At least set a budget and stick to it. Tell her there will be nothing above that budget. She can't decide to do things and expect you to fit the bill. That won't be happening.

PeekAtYou · 07/11/2022 20:56

I realise that it's possible that he's the dad but considering that she told other men the same, it's possible that he's not.
Money should have been sent after a DNA was done. Without a DNA, your husband risks having his heart broken when he finds out that the boy that he has some attachment to, isn't his son.
Get on a plane and organize a DNA so your h knows for sure. Finding out a child isn't yours is probably one of the most heartbreaking situations that can happen so protect your husband's heart and find out the truth.
If you have lots of money that you wish to donate, there are many people and organizations who will happily take your money. If you want to be a gullible cash cow then that is up to you but if another man is the father then your h and the child deserve the truth.

WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 20:57

I know all of you are correct about support etc, it's just whenever we started paying x we were paying in line with our income, and as that has increased, so has what we paid. He hit a rough spot with the comfortability of payment when my husband got sick and needed specialized care, and are still (within our means) repaying that debt, but it isn't forever and hopefully will be just another few years til we're clear of that. That's why he's becoming increasingly uncomfortable with what is being sent and why the fact she won't do a test is starting to become contentious for him

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LemonDrop22 · 07/11/2022 20:58

Wallywobbles · 07/11/2022 20:53

You have way more power than you think. You are her only source of money. She will do the test. She might balk and threaten but she WILL do it.

She'll only do it if she thinks there's a chance, a relatively good chance that he's the father

Otherwise she's gone from "might be" with money ..... To "definitely isn't" with no money.

Of course op and h are so sofy that they'll probably continue giving her money even if he isn't, because they've set the precedent and she'll tell .them both her kids will suffer.

WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 20:59

Oh and the PH put her ex (then husband) omg the BC because their marriage was registered there. There's no divorce there but he did one in this country

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WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 21:01

@LemonDrop22 that's exactly what she says. Is that both kids will suffer. She knows it eats at me and it does bother my husband as well he just doesn't have at every opportunity.

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PeekAtYou · 07/11/2022 21:01

She needs your money so use that to organize a test for your husband's peace of mind.
If you need to decrease the monthly amount because of illness then tell her and decrease it. Most countries calculate child support as a percentage of income so if income has dropped then so does Child Maintenance. Your husband has some control over the situation yet it sounds like she asks for more and more money and you guys just hand it over no questions asked. in the real world, a non resident parent pays a lump sum each month and no extras.

WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 21:01

Cave.. Not have..

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WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 21:07

I have tried every way, over the years, to lessen my involvement. I have stepped back and refused to be in the middle and all that did was lead to HUGE drastic dilemmas for stepson.
Everything from her needs surgery on his genitals, to he was hit by a moving car.
I can't make this shit up.
I went months without contact and my husband refused contact, but the standing order was still sent out on time as usual so she wasn't cut off, but then catastrophe after catastrophe seems to strike stepson.. If anyone is interested in the emails etc you're welcome to them.
I guess I am not hung up on the test because its been about 10 years now, and it's just something we all are accustomed to (not the bickering between him and her whenever they do speak, but the money being sent and him having communication with stepson)

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KettrickenSmiled · 07/11/2022 21:07

He gives it a good effort but then she does something that totally blows it all to hell and I'm back in the middle, receiving messages and emails.
You're back in the middle because you keep putting yourself there.

If I don't have contact with her nobody will. That's the truth. I have used every ounce of reasoning and all of my ingenuity to get them to do this between themselves and he (understandably) cannot.
This is unfathomable.
Why do you need contact with her?
Your DH clearly does not want contact with her. So why are you forcing it?
Why are you micromanaging & controlling your husband's comms with this woman?

LemonDrop22 · 07/11/2022 21:10

but then catastrophe after catastrophe seems to strike stepson

I believe that is a common pattern among scammers.

LemonDrop22 · 07/11/2022 21:10

It is also worth reiterating another posters'point that you don't know how much of that money is actually being spent on the kids.

WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 21:20

@LemonDrop22 , we send 375 a month. I know its tacky to put figures out to the public but it's not a metric ton a month. Just so everyone has an idea of what is being spent. Plus we pay and extra expense for their school (includes a very small tuition and uniform). And we also pay for yearly check ups and dental care, plus the regular birthday gifts and Christmas, as well as first holy communion (that was very important to all of us). We pay just under 500 a month to her, plus I send the money for the eye, dental, and health exams once a year.. But then you add in all the times the emergencies have crept up, the hospital visits, the impromptu stuff like scouts etc and it starts to weigh heavily.
As for our income, I'm sorry I can't remember who touched on the topic, that figure is my husband's salary, mine, plus his monthly allotment from the government for his years of service, when he got sick and had to be discharged. So we worked out a figure based on what we were earning and bringing in, and have adjusted it as his second career since leaving the military has grown. Hope that all makes sense.

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Dragonskin · 07/11/2022 21:22

WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 20:44

@LemonDrop22 that last part of your last message is exactly what she did do which is what has awoken this entire monster thread...
I wonder if everyone's advice would be the same if he'd had a dna test.
Not saying anyone is wrong because they're all spot on, irrespective of dna test or no test, it's just my husband understands he could be the child's father and his mother (unfortunately) holds all the cards as far as a test goes.

Advice would be the same if he'd had a dna test, yes pay maintenance for his actual child but you can still have boundaries

WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 21:22

But I am going to speak with him in a moment and see what we can do. What plan he and I can come up with and stick to it. If we are going to tell her to do the dam test or she won't get anymore money I will insist he do the talking to her because I don't think many people here have been too far off the mark when they say I allow her to take advantage of me.

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WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 21:33

I haven't ever really had a chance to talk to anyone outside of this situation about this for a very long time. Putting it all down is mindbogglingly. I do understand where people are saying I am a mug because it may as well be my middle name.
When she first contacted us, my husband and I had a very in depth conversation and he was beside himself wondering what he'd done etc. but we made the decision that responsibilities were just that and we had absolutely no idea how hard it'd be to get a test done or that any of the drama would take place.
My family all think the exact same thing as most people here that she is insane. I won't tell you what my sister called her or what she said about the situatuon but it was an unkind way of saying what you all have said. To be honest, I just don't have experience with this and I thought we were going about this the proper way. Contact, support, etc when this all started.
I'm not stupid I know people lie, but I honestly thought she had done a stupid thing by not immediately telling him she was pregnant, before they lost contact... I now know it was because she had literally better meal tickets, as her mother would say.
Thank you all for the advice, I might be back with an update if anyone is interested or has any extra advice or has any way to deal with a situation such as this.
We've been to attorneys, hell, I should be one by now, and immigration attorney...
Been to immigration, etc etc and she basically holds the cards and all I can think is that if she doesn't get what is asked then tye kids will end up back in a tent. I know that's dumb but hey ho, we all know that's my specialty.

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notangelinajolie · 07/11/2022 21:50

Seriously. This is the most bonkers thread I have ever read. Why are you even sending money in the first place? You need to stop - do not send any more. It is very probable that your DH is the victim of a scam, please stop throwing money at these people, non of whom are likely to be real.

Ditto all previous posters.

KettrickenSmiled · 07/11/2022 21:50

we had absolutely no idea how hard it'd be to get a test done
There's nothing hard about it.
IF your husband wants a DNA test - he tells her so.
And no money until it's done.
She'll either comply immediately because she's telling the truth (ha!) or she'll delay & manipulate because she's knows she's selling a crock of shite.

she basically holds the cards
She holds no cards.
None whatsoever.
Your husband holds all the cards.
Leave it to HIM to decide what he wants to do.

PeekAtYou · 07/11/2022 21:53

If she was confident that he was the father, she'd agree to a DNA that she didn't have to pay for because it would guarantee maintenance until the boy was an adult and could work himself. The test is not painful for the child

I think she has denied the test because she's not sure and doesn't want to risk you not paying. As the mother she can say no to the test but considering her history, it's crazy that her son doesn't know for sure who his dad is. It's going to be devastating for him if it turns out that your h isn't his dad.

SarahDippity · 07/11/2022 22:43

The only ‘cards’ she holds are emotional blackmail because you are already so heavily invested. Does either of you think the child is going to want to be part of your lives - by choice - when older? Do you feel like you love the child?

So either you treat this as a ‘sponsor a child in need’ in an anonymous way and cut off all communications links, or you stop everything. Or you continue as you are doing with it eating hugely into your relationship.

I know you say the payment is within your means but it is taking from the family monthly pot when you have your own children to pay for AND you are servicing medical debt. This is an opportunity cost you need to weigh up, ie you could be doing something else with that $6k a year that would make your own lives more comfortable, pay off your debt, and save for your own children’s future.

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