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How do I address this with StepKids mother?

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WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 15:24

I'm trying to keep this short for everyone, but it probably won't be. I'm not asking if I'm being unreasonable so I don't think this belongs there, but if it needs to be somewhere else, please move it there - what I need to know is has anyone got any advice for how to approach this issue with my step-kids' mother. For a little (or a lot) of background info:
I have two steps-kiddos, one biological (husband's child) one the younger sibling of my husband's child, however her father was out of the country before the test even showed a result so...

Doesn't matter, they come as a set and seem to be awesome kids, so not a problem.
Here is my problem: my step-kids' mother (along with myself) cannot seem to draw the line financially, so to speak.
And I cannot ask my husband to address this with her because they have absolutely no contact. I don't 'blame' either one of them for taking that position, honestly, and I really just try to be as accommodating and diplomatic as I possibly can be with this entire situation.

My husband wasn't aware of my stepson's existence until he was almost 4, because his mother had spent his entire life telling several other men they were each his father, and getting support from all of them. (None of them lived in the same country, and none of them knew about each other. My husband was actually the last of the men to know...My husband had a one time liaison with her while they were in the same country, but she was married and when he found out soon after they had slept together, he washed his hands of the situation). He didn't hear from her for years after that. It was only after her main 'relationship' with the primary gentleman went badly that she tracked my husband down and here we are now.
My husband is still very jaded by the way she handled things and how she has (unfortunately) continued to manipulate situations for financial support... He won't have any contact with her. His son is a teenager now and learning English so my husband got him a cellphone so they can communicate and there's no need for him to have contact with her, he says...

I have tried for years to get them to do this between them but he won't often budge and whenever he does, she always does something related to lying about why she needs money (above what he and I send her on a regular basis) and for him it's not the money, it's the anger he constantly feels at the fact that she LIED to basically everyone for so long about the child's paternity and screwed them out of a relationship, etc. etc.
I don't ask what she does do with the money, ever, but her own mother stays in contact with me because it's (in her own opinion) the only way to keep her daughter on the honest and straight and narrow because she herself has been manipulated out of money and her main concern is her grandchildren, always)
I'll give you an example. When I was pregnant with our eldest child, my husband found his dream car for a good price. He bought it and was fixing it up, and hoped to save some of it for when our child was old enough to help, and he was going to hand the project car down to our child. (Remember, we didn't know his son existed at this time)

After we learned of his existence, she contacted my husband is a frenzy saying she and her brother had had a huge physical fight and the child had been injured in that altercation, and he needed to be seen at a hospital. She had no money, of course. My husband immediately sold the car for a pittance compared to what it was worth, and sent the money on over.
This is the beginning of my contact with my stepkids' grandmother because she wanted to check where the money had come from (she was still living in the country at the time)
When I told her what we'd been told she was horrified. Her son would never do anything like that to his own sister and certainly wouldn't hurt his nephew. So we were duped and my husband was enraged. Stepkids' mother then admitted she lied - I won't bore you with the details...

It's like every single extra lie about something just shuts my husband back down and it's months again, if not years, before I manage to convince him to extend an olive branch. It's exhausting and so I just don't bother trying to push the issue because it's not fair to him. I will add that, while it is not how I would have gone about things, I understand she was in a tough situation, and wasn't using the best judgment... so I do try to not judge her.
Oh, and stepson was born was born some time before we were together or married so there is no contention or acrimony - no cheating...

Anywho, I am typically of the opinion of being pretty much all-in financially - whatever money is needed and available is what is sent over without issue... But things have changed now and I cannot seem to figure out if I'm a dick or if she is overstepping.

Step-kids' mother does not work. I am not blaming or judging her at all, it is simply the way things are. She has no employment prospects and no education... In her home country she has no support at all, she only has her own mother who now lives in a different country and is letting her and the children live in her home while she is out of the country... When she met my husband she was married to a citizen of a different country and traveling for work with her husband... He found out she was seeing other men, had her deported, divorced her, and so on. So that's how she ended up in her home country, pregnant with no support. I imagine it's been a long and hard slog for her. She has had only basic schooling and has never worked a job.

Hope everyone is still with me.
So my husband and I send money regularly, and whenever extra expenses pop up. The silver lining is that, financially, we can just about afford to support two households because where they live the cost of living is a fraction of where we live. Does that make sense?
So the kids are cared for, all of them.

Here is the rub. My husband has (over the years) voiced his objection to basically me sending as much money as I do. He's not dumb, he knows what things cost here and over there and he thinks I'm overly involved (I am). He thinks now that my stepdaughter is in school (which we pay for) that their mother should go get a job, even if it's in a factory a long distance away.. Or means moving the kids from the stability of her mother's/their grandmother's home, into the city so she can work...

And the thing that has really thrown a spanner into the works is this past weekend she messaged to ask for money. No problem, except we are cutting back everywhere because we are having another baby and so everyone is having to make concessions. We are still able to give the kids what they need and some of what they want but we all need to be very careful about spending. I don't involve myself with what she spends money on because the kids are fed and have their uniforms and attend school so the money must be going on them, surely.
She now wants money because she has enrolled both the children into an extracurricular activity that is not related to school or Church (religion is very important in their community) and has contacted me asking me to send x amount of money to cover the registration costs for a huge jamboree they're having, and because she has offered to supply and cook all of the food for it.

This is the time of year whenever my husband and I move things around, squeeze and pinch so that all of the children can have some presents at Christmas. There is no other way to say it, really. And he is very upset that she enrolled them both into this extra curricular activity with absolutely no way to pay for it at all.
I wanted to gently ask her why she has done this, but it's not my business. I wanted to ask her how she plans to support this long-term, but it's also not my business and, although my stepson is old enough to contact his dad without her, stepdaughter is not and I don't want any hard feelings that develop because of this to result in stepdaughter missing out or contact (electronic, there is no physical contact, have never met either child in person) being withheld...
The activity is very costly, year round. Which is the reason our residential children at home don't participate in it, so it's isn't as though our children at home are having a go at it and the NR children aren't being offered the same opportunity...
Idk what to do. My husband is adamant that we should not pay for it, but I don't know if that's exactly the correct position to take.
What do I do? Any advice? Anyone ever been in this situation. I know I need to talk to him but it always ends up him feeling bad based on my argument of my position, and him giving in, but I do worry he thinks I value my coparenting relationship with the kids' mother more than I do his opinion on these matters.
I have nobody to ask in real life because my family all think I'm stupid for even entertaining her and not just blocking her because there has never been a DNA test, because by the time she finally agreed to do one, we only asked for one of those peace of mind tests... And she sabotaged the test by telling the post office there (the sample needed to be mailed) that my stepson had TB (he didn't!) and they then would not ship the sample. Also there is no reciprocity between our countries, so no court in either of our lands can force her to submit to one... So, no joy there...
Thanks for reading all of this, you're a gem.
Sorry that was very long.

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WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 20:22

@tenbob yes, the younger child is not my husband's, no way.
As for the money, my husband and I don't have any issues with the money, honestly. The standing amount we all agreed on.
The math is the same, irrespective of how many children she spends it on.
If we all lived in the same country, we would actually be paying about the same as we do for standing order for just the one child. We simply looked up the support guidelines for our incomes (they're both counted where we live) and that's what we all agreed on. The situation just happens to be that their cost of living in their country is a fraction of what ours is so both kids benefit...
Idk what time support guidelines are for the Philippines, trust me I looked but there is no set 'rate' like there is in the UK or in states in the US so bad nothing to go off of.
@Dragonskin I know I'm a mug. It's tattooed on my forehead but idk what else to do.

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strawberry2017 · 07/11/2022 20:23

You say sorry we can't afford to send anymore money and you stop pandering to her.

WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 20:24

@LemonDrop22 your message is spot on. That's exactly the situation except my husband didn't know there were other men who had been supporting the child until well over a year after she'd made contact with him.
I wish this was a joke. I got screenshots I was just sharing with my sister of her latest episode, seriously.... And a plethora of emails.

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Dragonskin · 07/11/2022 20:24

Well it's quite simple, just stop being one

PeekAtYou · 07/11/2022 20:24

This is madness.
If she's financially dependent on you and your h then you have a way to insist on a DNA test. Your h should have flown over and done it because there's a chance that he's not the father.
You are being very unreasonable with your h. He is right to be as cautious as possible, her history proves that you and him should take what she says with a pinch of salt. he is not unreasonable to want to minimise contact. You don't mention contact with the boy so I'm going to assume that they don't spend time in person but I would be a sending a fixed monthly amount (with perhaps a little extra for birthday and Xmas if sending a physical gift isn't possible) and saying no more than that fixed figure.

Xiomara22 · 07/11/2022 20:26

sorry but you’re a fool to think the majority of the money is going on the step kids.
you’re also a fool to both believing that one of the kids is your husbands.
you & your husband need to set up, retrieve a dna sample and send it yourself as soon as you meet them don’t let her meddle. She knows she’s onto a good one with you pair.
and ofcourse you can ask her why she’s signed them up your their step mother and you’re expected by her to pay it. If you are going to pay for it get the bank details for the company organising it, don’t send it directly to her.

her life choices have led her to where she is today so don’t feel bad you’ve helped way more than you should’ve already. First get the DNA test done

LemonDrop22 · 07/11/2022 20:26

When she met my husband she was married to a citizen of a different country and traveling for work with her husband... He found out she was seeing other men, had her deported, divorced her, and so on.

Again; she was having sex with multiple men around the same time, so your husband being the father of her child is questionable.

the fact that she LIED to basically everyone for so long about the child's paternity and screwed them out of a relationship

Bit dud she lie? If she knew he was the father (and she was able to track him down 4 years later) why not track him down at the time? Why go around other men saying they're the father and seeking support off them?
It sounds like she possibly doesn't know. She's just gone around all the men she had sex with, getting money for her son off them until they refused - for whatever reason, or they demanded a DNA test. And your husband is just another one to do that with.

WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 20:27

This is just what I've received on messenger or including the emails etc

How do I address this with StepKids mother?
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tenbob · 07/11/2022 20:29

Op, stop for a second and wake up

The starting point for any child support payments, regardless of country, is that the father is the one paying

You need - and I cannot stress this enough - some actual proof that your husband is the father beyond her getting in touch after nearly FIVE years to say it is him

This is honestly reading like one of those romance scam warning articles when everyone is thinking ‘how on earth did you think the 25 year old waiter was going to be your soul mate and did it not any alarm bells that he asked for money every week’ while the scammed 65 year old woman says that she didn’t see any warning signs

Dragonskin · 07/11/2022 20:30

For gods sake, it really isn't that hard 'we're sorry but we aren't able to'

LemonDrop22 · 07/11/2022 20:33

she says she got scared, basically, because if he ever got citizenship, then if he ever touched US soil, he would be permitted to stay, and she wouldn't get him back which my husband has never ever said he'd do. Ever.

That would depend on two things that are unlikely;

A. that her son who she's raised his whole life to date, would instantly move to another country to love with essentially strangers who have kids of their own and not, at the very least, visit her regularly.

B. That yoursekf and your husband, even if you agreed to having his son - who you don't actually really know, to live with you and your kids full-time, would not facilitate contact and visurs between him and his mother.

Given how overly kind you have been to date .... Supporting the son without proof he's related, and not only that but supporting another child who you know for sure is not related to you, just because you feel bad sending money for one and not the other ..... How likely is that

I call BS.

I think she doesn't know whose son he is.

VladmirsPoutine · 07/11/2022 20:34

Really? I can't get my head around paying for kids you've never met and also demonstrably aren't his. How much have you shelled out to date? Must be thousands.

Bigbadfish · 07/11/2022 20:35

How are you being this stupid?! Just bloody stop!

WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 20:36

@LemonDrop22 her mother is a citizen of our country now, living here with her older daughter, and she said the same thing as you. Only the step kids mom keeps saying that we'll just keep him and send him to live with his gran who he does know. It is madness, you are all correct. I honestly do think you are all correct and i just need to be out of it. Gently tell my husband that he must deal with her and if he won't she won't be dealt with or communicated with. This is eating into my relationship with him and I don't want it to, it really shouldn't but it weighs so heavily and makes me feel so guilty.

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Weebachu · 07/11/2022 20:37

This is absolutely bonkers.

Tell her you will only continue to pay maintenance when you receive a legally produced DNA test from her.

tenbob · 07/11/2022 20:39

What is behind this total blindspot for you both?

Did one of you lose/get abandoned by a parent at a young age?

or is it some sort of white saviour complex?

I think this is one of THE most mental threads I’ve ever read

LemonDrop22 · 07/11/2022 20:42

it really shouldn't but it weighs so heavily and makes me feel so guilty.

Look, until you have proof your husband is her son's father, all you have on your hands is a hustler who your husband was idiotic enough to shag once; who's been scanning you for money.

If you want to contribute charitably to her and
her family because you've been made aware of these two kids in this relatively undeveloped country (any poster here can look up that region in her msg incidentally) then do so, but in a controlled way with rules. This amount per month plus this amount at certain times/sexual occasions etc. A budget. Not "I've decided to do this without consulting you, pls pay for it now".

WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 20:42

I'm not Caucasian. My husband is, but he is the objective one. Both of our parents sre intact.
When this all began, my husband told me yes, he had sex with her. He remembers the few days they were spending time together (met through a mutual friend). Didn't know she was married, but when you're young and dumb you don't really think about those things. By the time she'd contacted him, the child was around 4 and my husband was off the opinion 'oh holy shit! What have I done!'
HE seriously thought he'd abandoned a child somewhere.
Everything was fine, things were slow going regarding asking for s test but by the time he had, her mom was already involved, lots of lies were discovered, etc but he still felt and obligation to the child no matter what and asshole his mother was. And things have gone downhill since then...
Be didn't just pick out a lady with whom he had had a sexual relationship and offer you sponsor her children.

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WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 20:44

@LemonDrop22 that last part of your last message is exactly what she did do which is what has awoken this entire monster thread...
I wonder if everyone's advice would be the same if he'd had a dna test.
Not saying anyone is wrong because they're all spot on, irrespective of dna test or no test, it's just my husband understands he could be the child's father and his mother (unfortunately) holds all the cards as far as a test goes.

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LemonDrop22 · 07/11/2022 20:45

*Special occasions, not sexual occasions lmao

KitchiHuritAngeni · 07/11/2022 20:46

I think I had a baby with your husband op.

Can you please send thousands of pounds to me to support that child and my other dc too.

I'm not going to prove it at all, you'll just have to take my word for it.

WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 20:46

Sexual occasions is how we got here lol

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LemonDrop22 · 07/11/2022 20:46

WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 20:46

Sexual occasions is how we got here lol

I was thinking that.

aloris · 07/11/2022 20:47

Is this for real?

LemonDrop22 · 07/11/2022 20:47

it's just my husband understands he could be the child's father and his mother (unfortunately) holds all the cards as far as a test goes.

And he holds all the cards as far as money goes!

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