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How do I address this with StepKids mother?

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WhatToDoWithThisNow · 07/11/2022 15:24

I'm trying to keep this short for everyone, but it probably won't be. I'm not asking if I'm being unreasonable so I don't think this belongs there, but if it needs to be somewhere else, please move it there - what I need to know is has anyone got any advice for how to approach this issue with my step-kids' mother. For a little (or a lot) of background info:
I have two steps-kiddos, one biological (husband's child) one the younger sibling of my husband's child, however her father was out of the country before the test even showed a result so...

Doesn't matter, they come as a set and seem to be awesome kids, so not a problem.
Here is my problem: my step-kids' mother (along with myself) cannot seem to draw the line financially, so to speak.
And I cannot ask my husband to address this with her because they have absolutely no contact. I don't 'blame' either one of them for taking that position, honestly, and I really just try to be as accommodating and diplomatic as I possibly can be with this entire situation.

My husband wasn't aware of my stepson's existence until he was almost 4, because his mother had spent his entire life telling several other men they were each his father, and getting support from all of them. (None of them lived in the same country, and none of them knew about each other. My husband was actually the last of the men to know...My husband had a one time liaison with her while they were in the same country, but she was married and when he found out soon after they had slept together, he washed his hands of the situation). He didn't hear from her for years after that. It was only after her main 'relationship' with the primary gentleman went badly that she tracked my husband down and here we are now.
My husband is still very jaded by the way she handled things and how she has (unfortunately) continued to manipulate situations for financial support... He won't have any contact with her. His son is a teenager now and learning English so my husband got him a cellphone so they can communicate and there's no need for him to have contact with her, he says...

I have tried for years to get them to do this between them but he won't often budge and whenever he does, she always does something related to lying about why she needs money (above what he and I send her on a regular basis) and for him it's not the money, it's the anger he constantly feels at the fact that she LIED to basically everyone for so long about the child's paternity and screwed them out of a relationship, etc. etc.
I don't ask what she does do with the money, ever, but her own mother stays in contact with me because it's (in her own opinion) the only way to keep her daughter on the honest and straight and narrow because she herself has been manipulated out of money and her main concern is her grandchildren, always)
I'll give you an example. When I was pregnant with our eldest child, my husband found his dream car for a good price. He bought it and was fixing it up, and hoped to save some of it for when our child was old enough to help, and he was going to hand the project car down to our child. (Remember, we didn't know his son existed at this time)

After we learned of his existence, she contacted my husband is a frenzy saying she and her brother had had a huge physical fight and the child had been injured in that altercation, and he needed to be seen at a hospital. She had no money, of course. My husband immediately sold the car for a pittance compared to what it was worth, and sent the money on over.
This is the beginning of my contact with my stepkids' grandmother because she wanted to check where the money had come from (she was still living in the country at the time)
When I told her what we'd been told she was horrified. Her son would never do anything like that to his own sister and certainly wouldn't hurt his nephew. So we were duped and my husband was enraged. Stepkids' mother then admitted she lied - I won't bore you with the details...

It's like every single extra lie about something just shuts my husband back down and it's months again, if not years, before I manage to convince him to extend an olive branch. It's exhausting and so I just don't bother trying to push the issue because it's not fair to him. I will add that, while it is not how I would have gone about things, I understand she was in a tough situation, and wasn't using the best judgment... so I do try to not judge her.
Oh, and stepson was born was born some time before we were together or married so there is no contention or acrimony - no cheating...

Anywho, I am typically of the opinion of being pretty much all-in financially - whatever money is needed and available is what is sent over without issue... But things have changed now and I cannot seem to figure out if I'm a dick or if she is overstepping.

Step-kids' mother does not work. I am not blaming or judging her at all, it is simply the way things are. She has no employment prospects and no education... In her home country she has no support at all, she only has her own mother who now lives in a different country and is letting her and the children live in her home while she is out of the country... When she met my husband she was married to a citizen of a different country and traveling for work with her husband... He found out she was seeing other men, had her deported, divorced her, and so on. So that's how she ended up in her home country, pregnant with no support. I imagine it's been a long and hard slog for her. She has had only basic schooling and has never worked a job.

Hope everyone is still with me.
So my husband and I send money regularly, and whenever extra expenses pop up. The silver lining is that, financially, we can just about afford to support two households because where they live the cost of living is a fraction of where we live. Does that make sense?
So the kids are cared for, all of them.

Here is the rub. My husband has (over the years) voiced his objection to basically me sending as much money as I do. He's not dumb, he knows what things cost here and over there and he thinks I'm overly involved (I am). He thinks now that my stepdaughter is in school (which we pay for) that their mother should go get a job, even if it's in a factory a long distance away.. Or means moving the kids from the stability of her mother's/their grandmother's home, into the city so she can work...

And the thing that has really thrown a spanner into the works is this past weekend she messaged to ask for money. No problem, except we are cutting back everywhere because we are having another baby and so everyone is having to make concessions. We are still able to give the kids what they need and some of what they want but we all need to be very careful about spending. I don't involve myself with what she spends money on because the kids are fed and have their uniforms and attend school so the money must be going on them, surely.
She now wants money because she has enrolled both the children into an extracurricular activity that is not related to school or Church (religion is very important in their community) and has contacted me asking me to send x amount of money to cover the registration costs for a huge jamboree they're having, and because she has offered to supply and cook all of the food for it.

This is the time of year whenever my husband and I move things around, squeeze and pinch so that all of the children can have some presents at Christmas. There is no other way to say it, really. And he is very upset that she enrolled them both into this extra curricular activity with absolutely no way to pay for it at all.
I wanted to gently ask her why she has done this, but it's not my business. I wanted to ask her how she plans to support this long-term, but it's also not my business and, although my stepson is old enough to contact his dad without her, stepdaughter is not and I don't want any hard feelings that develop because of this to result in stepdaughter missing out or contact (electronic, there is no physical contact, have never met either child in person) being withheld...
The activity is very costly, year round. Which is the reason our residential children at home don't participate in it, so it's isn't as though our children at home are having a go at it and the NR children aren't being offered the same opportunity...
Idk what to do. My husband is adamant that we should not pay for it, but I don't know if that's exactly the correct position to take.
What do I do? Any advice? Anyone ever been in this situation. I know I need to talk to him but it always ends up him feeling bad based on my argument of my position, and him giving in, but I do worry he thinks I value my coparenting relationship with the kids' mother more than I do his opinion on these matters.
I have nobody to ask in real life because my family all think I'm stupid for even entertaining her and not just blocking her because there has never been a DNA test, because by the time she finally agreed to do one, we only asked for one of those peace of mind tests... And she sabotaged the test by telling the post office there (the sample needed to be mailed) that my stepson had TB (he didn't!) and they then would not ship the sample. Also there is no reciprocity between our countries, so no court in either of our lands can force her to submit to one... So, no joy there...
Thanks for reading all of this, you're a gem.
Sorry that was very long.

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user1471457751 · 08/11/2022 01:36

You haven't tried to lessen your involvement at all. If this is real then you either really like the drama or are just really stupid. You should have cut her off completely when she refused the dna test. But to keep giving her more money whenever she comes up with an outlandish tale - how the fuck are you and your husband high earners? You're the person who hands over £5k to the Nigerian Prince to help him access his rightful millions.

And I can't believe that you have put your marriage at risk to support this wicked manipulative woman.

SandyY2K · 08/11/2022 01:41

Paying a single penny without a DNA test... to a woman who has lied so much...is quite simply stupidity. 🤔

thenewduchessoflapland · 08/11/2022 02:58

Is this some sort of sponsor a couple of kids in a third world country charity thing you've got going on?

MsDogLady · 08/11/2022 05:17

@WhatToDoWithThisNow, this woman is a shakedown artist and you and H are her marks. When she says jump, you ask how high and send more money, without the proof of DNA. You’ve embraced these children as family and have made them part of your identity, without the proof of DNA.

Your enmeshment is undermining your H and corroding your marriage. It sounds like you might actually fund this expensive extracurricular activity that you can’t even afford for your ‘residential’ children. Don’t do it.

Draw a strong line and stop the money train until a DNA test is done.

Billybagpuss · 08/11/2022 05:35

I dont understand why you’re so eager to throw your money away when it sounds obvious you’re being played.

BankseyVest · 08/11/2022 05:43

Op I mean this in the nicest possible way, stay out of it! This is your DH responsibility and you should support him! You don't even know if the child is his.

Fraaahnces · 08/11/2022 05:45

Then stop paying anything. Honestly. If she genuinely believes that your DH is the Dad, she will agree to any paternity test you insist upon. She is a known liar. Play paternity chicken and see who moves first.

alwayscrashinginthesamecar1 · 08/11/2022 05:54

I've ready some crazy shit on here over the years, but this is totally batshit mental!

OnaBegonia · 08/11/2022 06:02

Can I just clarify that neither of you have met these kids?
Started when he was 4 and now a teenager, yet no DNA, no visits just sending money to a random pair of kids, naive is being kind.

WhatToDoWithThisNow · 08/11/2022 10:57

Hello all, thanks again for the new advice and input.
It's really early where we are and I cannot sleep so sorry for any mistakes.
Hope you're all well.

Well, my husband and I had a talk and we was more than satisfied to contact the kids' mom and tell her what he and I had discussed. That he can get a DNA test set up ASAP, (he wasn't as kind or diplomatic in his messages so things got heated) and that she had better make it to the appointment this time, etc. She danced around it a bit, pulling every idea, comment and topic into the situation until he finally got her to focus on the subject at hand and she then said 'fine, let's do a test!'
Then immediately after said 'so are you going to pay for child's jamboree and what he needs for this scout event?'

It wasn't in so many words, but English is her second language so it was a bit garbled. Anyway, his answer was a resounding NO, which he had already stated before but she was not paying attention. The stuff then hit the fan when he called her out on how she was going to afford any of this long term, (I guess hitting the fan isn't the correct phrase when they simply had a fight over messenger because he wouldn't roll over and just give her what she wants the way I absolutely would have done..) and she then admitted her mom had paid HALF...

She had contacted me mid-week last week for an emergency saying the children needed food. no issue, sent some money for food, and two days later they were enrolled into the scouts...
Anyway, my husband was furious (at her, not me) because when she said her mom paid half, that then left the conversation wide open to ask where the other half had come from and, of course, stupid ass me, that's what she used the money for when I sent it last week.
So yea. Mug...
Anyway she tried justifying it saying it's an extracurricular activity he wanted to do (her words) and asked why he can't just accept the child is his son (I can't make this up, I have the messages and everything) and why he can't just support his son in something he wanted to do.

Then my husband lost it completely at her, and I can't say I blame him. He then spent a good portion of his evening composing a list of everything she's lied about and been found out about as to the reasons why he can't just accept it's his son.
For those just coming to the thread, stepson is 14 now and she lied about his parentage for years until all of her other options were exhausted, and now I've put myself in a position where I just hand over money at will because the child (and a younger sibling not my husband's) have no means of support, their mom doesn't work and has no prospects, etc. And is doing everything in her power to avoid a test.
Anyway, I did have a discussion with my husband and he said he doesn't care about the money, his own words (it's just money, they're just kids) It's HER, their mother. And everything she has constantly lied about and manipulated over the years.

So he finally tokd her that he was setting up a test this week, she'd better produce the young man for the test, he doesn't give a damn WHAT happens, if it is storming or the testing facility is too far away, or Godzilla is on a rampage, she had better make sure he takes the test..
Then she changed the subject telling him to make sure he doesn't 'cheat' on the test...
I have no response to that.. may husband now thinks she is setting up the situation to say that my husband wasn't the man tested... When here (based on what TV and the Internet says) they take a photo ID and I think even a picture...

I told him let's do it through the consulate because then it's verified and, apparently, for citizenship, DNA tests (he can help the young man get citizenship, which is something she would agree to often, then change her mind) the test must be done at the consulate/embassy by a physician there. That way there is absolutely no way anyone else has taken the test. My husband works in defense contracting with a TS security clearance, so there's no way he'd lie to the consulate or send another man to be tested in his place.

She said no, a regular clinic will suffice because if she is paying half, a regular clinic is cheaper. She asked him to give her some time to get the money together. He said he never even thought she'd pay half, and never asked her to, though he did tell her no, he wasn't paying for that jamboree thing, he was taking that money to put towards a test...

She then said she would rather have time to get the money together and him just send the money over for the scouting event (after the conversation continued in email because he got mad and blocked her on messenger) he said no, because it'll NEVER happen if he agrees to that. Been down that road, no thank you.
So he is calling this morning when the world wakes up and setting up a test at a clinic.
He also told her to stop bothering me.
I do need to grow some balls and find a way to resist her 'you understand where I'm coming from as a mother, don't you?' line, it's her favorite. I do understand where she's coming from and I think that's why I have such a hard time because to me they're just kids. They don't need to be in this shit.

Also, the reason this has been allowed to get to this point (up until when my husband got sick and went through chemo) is bec he felt MASSIVE guilt about the fact that there was nothing he could do to get the child pretty much away from her and out of that living situation. The only stability he's ever had was when living in his grandmothers home, and that's why she allows them all the remain living there.
My husband fully admits he could be the boy's father, has never denied it and if she hadn't been found out to be such a globetrotter, I don't think he'd feel as angry about the lack if testing, if that makes sense.

And for those just catching up, idk if I mentioned it but she kept saying she changed her mind about him having a DNA test because her ex has custody of her older child (they're citizens) and when she was deported and he divorced her, the child had to stay with it's father, so she keeps saying that if my husband's son gets a dna test, if he ever comes here, we will keep him and just send him to live with his granny who he does have a relationship with... Which is absolutely insane because I think over the years I have been nothing but kind and accommodating, I'd never keep a child from a parent.

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WhatToDoWithThisNow · 08/11/2022 10:58

That should say 'he' was more than satisfied to contact her.. I ever reread it 🤦
It's early

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WhatToDoWithThisNow · 08/11/2022 11:01

Oh and I'm sorry to the poster who asked, I can't remember the username, he has never met the child because when we found out about him, my husband's work had issued a travel ban to that country, and when that finally ended, he was by that time sick and undergoing chemotherapy, and by the time he was cleared to go there, covid struck. So there was finally a plan for him to visit next year (in a few months time) and now idk what's happening with that.

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Hoppinggreen · 08/11/2022 11:09

WT actual F?
This whole shit show is none of your business, you are far too involved.

tenbob · 08/11/2022 11:11

her response is so predictable

of COURSE she knows he isn’t your DHs son. She isn’t going to get the test done, she knows that would mean the end of her scam

You need to block her, if you can’t trust yourself to ignore her messages.

and perhaps get some counselling lined up for you and your DH because it’s going to be a real mix of emotions when either the DNA test doesn’t go ahead, or does and shows he isn’t a biological relative

I suspect the weight of knowing you have been scammed for so long is going to hit you both quite hard, and you should talk it through with a professional to help you process it all, including working out why you were both so weirdly keen to believe it was true, when faced with such typical scammer behaviour

LemonDrop22 · 08/11/2022 11:23

Then she changed the subject telling him to make sure he doesn't 'cheat' on the test...

Funny how quickly her mind goes to ways to cheat a DNA test.

You know, if the test comes back as the young man being very unlikely to be your husband's son; she'll just say he cheated on his side of the test.

In spite of the fact that that makes no logical sense because you have been paying for the boy (and even another sibling not related in any way!) for years.... Without even knowing for sure he's his son. So why would you suddenly cheat in order to stop. You're clearly far too kind, not the opposite.

I think her behaviour shows there's a good chance he's not your husband's son.

If you ever do get her to do a DNA test .... Which I think she'll continue to evade, I don't know what you're going to do about your payments to them.
You sound too nice to stop totally she'll manipulate/emotionally blackmail as we've already discussed.

WhatToDoWithThisNow · 08/11/2022 11:27

@tenbob counseling is our first step. He's already in several different ones to deal with his illness and other stuff so he is going to ask for s referral for the both of us. He has unblocked her and told me that if I want him to deal with her then I can't complain about the way he goes about it. It's like a literal knife fight between the two of them but that's the way it must be because I am exhausted being in the middle so however they communicate between them is just how they will communicate.
There have been several tests set up, the first one was postponed then 'forgotten about' because a typhoon hit (it's true) the second one the testing facility was too far, when she never mentioned it before hand, then when we finally just asked for s piece of mind test, she told the post office her son had an ACTIVE TB infection which he absolutely did not and they then would not ship the test. Why did she even need to say what was in the envelope?
I worry about my husband because he does have s relationship with the young man. He even learned to speak the language whenever he was younger because the child wasn't learning English until a few years ago. They talk a lot and my husband does take an interest in the stuff going on with him. It has gotten better since the child has gotten a phone and can speak a bit of English now and my husband Tagalog, and with her not in the middle.
Shitty situation all around and the money is the least of it. I honestly thought she was holding out as a weird form of control or something, and maybe because the element of her ex husband keeping their son away from her because she didn't have citizenship and the child did, but now, there is absolutely nothing standing in the way of a test. The child is old enough to choose what he wants even if he did come here with citizenship he could return home because nobody can keep a young man somewhere he doesn't want to be!
My husband even told me this is coming to a head because the child isn't a boy anymore, and now there's no feer of keeping him, etc, and now he's realizing there's absolutely no reason for not having a test. We wasted a few years believing blindly that my husband was his dad or at least a possibility, then when he (my husband) got sick that took over everything for literally YEARS and a DNA test was nowhere in our minds and yea covid was bad but now that all the dust is settled and he's older and there's big reason not to do a test, he and I are understanding (me slower than him) that she is really not going to do a test.

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WhatToDoWithThisNow · 08/11/2022 11:30

@LemonDrop22 that's exactly what my husband thinks and now I'm in tears because who does this shit. Might be pregnancy hormones, though. He was very upset last night after she sent that because of exactly what you just said... I suggested he look into the consulate DNA test (one SHE had me looking into years ago the FIRST time she agreed to get him citizenship when they were living in a fucking tent!) But she said no to that even though nobody asked her to pay any of it.

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LemonDrop22 · 08/11/2022 11:32

I'm sure there's truth in her anxiety about the son visiting you and getting us citizenship and staying with either you or his grandmother..... Because then she'd lose her cash cow.

Whrher he is your husbands son though, is another story. I find it v unlikely given she went to at least two other men before him claiming he was theirs and extracting child maintenance until they stopped.

WhatToDoWithThisNow · 08/11/2022 11:33

Oh my mistake, she said make sure he doesn't 'lie' on the test. Same thing really...

How do I address this with StepKids mother?
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WhatToDoWithThisNow · 08/11/2022 11:37

Oh no she did say both 'cheat' and 'lie'. One in email after he blocked her on fb then unblocked her, and one in messenger.

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tenbob · 08/11/2022 11:39

Why is he engaging with this?

There is no need for this to go back and forth and you both get so emotional.

‘hi, we won’t be sending any more money until the DNA test is completed. If the test shows he is my son, I will send the backdated money. I will send the details of the test but any messages from you about anything else will be ignored’

And you need to spend some time thinking about why you were so obsessed with sending her extra money, against your husbands wishes, and doing the damage you have done with those actions.

there is so much to unpick with this whole situation and there will have to be some serious apologising from you

WhatToDoWithThisNow · 08/11/2022 11:39

And there were three other men, two my husband was able to contact and one who had moved on and married and wanted nothing to do with her (after he'd found out she'd been telling others they were the Boy's father as well).

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LemonDrop22 · 08/11/2022 11:39

Your h doesnt have much guile lol.

He should never have said "once the test results come back the money is cut off" ... . He should have said nothing or even implied you two feel a bond with the kids and may continue with help. Then she'd be more likely to do the test.
Though she'll still suspect that might not be true.

Also, for the sake of argument, he possibly could be the Dad (though it's certainly anybody's guess, with at least 3 candidates. It's kind of like Mamma Mia).

LemonDrop22 · 08/11/2022 11:41

Ok, so 4 possible candidates.
She's surpassed Mamma Mia.

LemonDrop22 · 08/11/2022 11:43

Fwiw I think she's going to keep evading the DNA test.

You have to make the decision to stop sending money until she does it continue, but with struct parameters.