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Where is ChopinandChampagne? LB update?

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gianfrancogorgonzola · 07/11/2022 12:34

Really hope you see this C&C, I was following your other threads (name change a lot) and wanted to check in to see how you are.

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BornBlonde · 17/04/2023 21:58

Amazing news about the chalet.

Sorry to hear about DD though

FictionalCharacter · 19/04/2023 09:31

As others have said @ChopinanChampagne , please stop apologising to DD. It doesn’t help her and just reinforces her view that everything you do is wrong and she and LB are right. Apologising won’t make her view you more positively.
Sadly she’s a lost cause. She and LB are a team. Nothing will change unless she somehow comes to her senses. Your apologies won’t help her do that because they’re proof to her that you have something to apologise for and she and LB are in the right.

LadyEloise1 · 19/04/2023 16:24

FictionalCharacter · 19/04/2023 09:31

As others have said @ChopinanChampagne , please stop apologising to DD. It doesn’t help her and just reinforces her view that everything you do is wrong and she and LB are right. Apologising won’t make her view you more positively.
Sadly she’s a lost cause. She and LB are a team. Nothing will change unless she somehow comes to her senses. Your apologies won’t help her do that because they’re proof to her that you have something to apologise for and she and LB are in the right.

This 💯

ChopinanChampagne · 20/04/2023 02:31

Thank you everyone for your helpful, kind and supportive replies.

I did briefly think of going to visit DD and the DGC when LB is attending his sister's wedding, but dismissed the idea. I fear it would make me seem 'stalkerish', needy and desperate, as well as a bit sneaky, and as Tribpot said, it would be bound to backfire on me. DD would, I feel, be alarmed if I turned up because she would be afraid of getting into trouble with LB when he got back. She would not want me to stay and I would be devastated. It would also be unfair on the DGC.

I said I was sorry to DD because I genuinely was. She was so excited about my Christmas visit and that LB and I seemed to be getting on better. For him it was a really big thing that he was prepared to eat out in a restaurant, as he never likes to eat out, but also that he was prepared to go with me. I know that DD had a happy feeling that we were going to be as a family and it was also a really big thing for her, because she never goes anywhere either. For my part, I was ambivalent because I always feel tense around LB, everything is on his terms, and DD tiptoes around him all of the time. It was also a long way to go, in the freezing cold, on my own, with two full suitcases of items which could mostly have been bought in Ireland.

However, I was and am very sorry to have hurt her. I spoke to her the following day and, but for LB, we would have sorted it out and been reconciled. But I knew that she would talk to him, of course she would - who else is there to talk to? - and that would be the end of the relationship, which we were painstakingly rebuilding, for the foreseeable future. The relationship has been so precarious and fragile that, as Billybagpuss wisely commented, I was constantly worrying about saying or writing the wrong thing so, in a way, the 'famine' is less stressful.

Oompaloopa - I don't know LB's family background well enough to know if there is any history of trauma/MH/PD, only that DD told me that LB's father and grandfather are like him in that they would happily never see anyone. LB's mother has been pleasant and welcoming and sent flowers when DH died, so I prefer just to take it at face value. I think that they are shell shocked by LB and DD's recent treatment of them. DD also thinks that LB's sister is the 'golden child' and I suspect that part of him is enjoying being able to punish them, by withholding their DGC, in retaliation for perceived past slights.

I was talking things through with my new therapist this week, which was helpful, as she made me feel that it was understandable that I became so upset before Christmas. Actually, being excluded from the baptism was quite triggering of the earlier rejections and, although I managed to dampen down the hurt I felt at, once again, being discarded, the rejection of the baptism gifts was the proverbial straw. My therapist made me see how the relationship was never secure and that is why it has been so difficult for me. The phrases I kept saying to DD were 'everything is thrown back in my face, why do I bother' and that I was 'surplus to requirements', which is how they make me feel.

I was telling my therapist about how LB and DD sent two cows to the abattoir because they were 'grumpy' and she asked me if that was how I felt, like the cows. And I realised that she was spot on, that I do feel like a grumpy old cow that is not wanted any more, and who has been despatched to a mental and emotional form of abattoir. I said yes, that's exactly how I do feel, like Boxer in Animal Farm, that I have outlived my usefulness and would be worth more to them if I died and they could secure an inheritance. I don't actually feel that DD wishes me dead, but I have no doubt that LB would be very happy at my demise. However, unlike Boxer, I do have autonomy and financial independence, so I am not powerless the same way.

In fact, when I was in the 'feast' period, it was really more a case of DD being dependent on me, rather than the other way round, at least emotionally. I regret not being able to be a support for her, although sometimes it was a bit overwhelming. I wonder if she will have time for reflection whilst LB is away.

Billybagpuss · 20/04/2023 06:54

Your therapist is spot on, the main problem is that not one of the things they have done to hurt you over the years has ever been acknowledged, let alone apologised for, every time you are brought back into the fold (they need money) you are expected to simply move on from whatever happened last time, it’s in the past it should never be mentioned again. Whereas in reality, that is fine for a week or two but something will happen that will trigger the past hurt and probably add to it and the only way you are allowed to act is to shrug it off. That is not realistic.

They must be doing ok financially if they can afford to make a decision to send cows to the abattoir based on character rather than business need.

tribpot · 20/04/2023 07:36

For him it was a really big thing that he was prepared to eat out in a restaurant, as he never likes to eat out
Despite his actual nickname? This seems like a convenient fiction to make you somehow feel grateful for the privilege of taking this ungracious bastard out for a meal - at your own expense.

Let's be honest, DD wanted to see you at Christmas at least in part because of the sheer amount of stuff you were bringing to her. (Stuff she still doesn't have because they're choosing to punish all their parents at the moment).

I like the cut of the new therapist's jib, she seems to have it right. DD and LB treat you with the same ruthlessness they do an underperforming cow.

LadyEloise1 · 20/04/2023 08:17

I am confused.
Some postings on the thread are by ChopinanChampagne and others are by ChopinandChampagne.

Goldpaw · 20/04/2023 08:23

Yes, she made a mistake changing her username and created an almost duplicate.

Chopin posts under a different name outside her LB threads.

billy1966 · 20/04/2023 08:52

Delighted to read you appear to have found a genuinely helpful therapist.
Great news.

I agree with others unfortunately, the repeated apologies are a mistake.

They feed their convenient narrative that you are so so wrong, while changing nothing.

DD will never reflect on her behaviour while you keep apologising in one ear, and LB is pouring poison in the other.

Famine sounds very peaceful, in this context IMO.

LadyEloise1 · 20/04/2023 20:05

Goldpaw · 20/04/2023 08:23

Yes, she made a mistake changing her username and created an almost duplicate.

Chopin posts under a different name outside her LB threads.

Ah, 👍

Muppetshair · 05/05/2023 17:41

How are you doing in yourself now @ChopinanChampagne @ChopinandChampagne ?

ChopinanChampagne · 05/05/2023 19:50

I am ok thanks Muppetshair and thank you also to my other friends for posting.

I have spent a lot of time reading about ASD and watching some of Tony Attwood's videos on YouTube, which I have found very interesting and informative. I am fairly certain that DD1 is ASD/Aspergers, as so many things in the videos resonated about her childhood although, like many girls and women, she masked. She also had a close group of lovely friends at her secondary school, but was still unhappy and left to go elsewhere for the sixth form. She rebelled in various ways at that time, which is apparently common in Asperger/ASD girls and so many things just seem to make sense now.

Apparently - and I am quoting Dr Attwood here - many ASD women have low self esteem and end up in bad/controlling relationships. LB was her second bad relationship, if it is accepted that it is a bad relationship.

LB is text book Aspergers/ASD, but is what Tony Attwood would describe as the 'Sherlock' variety, so compensates by being grandiose and believing that he is cleverer than everyone else - the opposite of those who have low self esteem. Such people are often apparently diagnosed incorrectly as having Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD).

Also, the ASD explains why they just reject presents if they don't like them, without consideration of others and their feelings. They just tell it as it is. And the thinking is black and white, or can be - so one strike and you're out, for infringement of the rules, even if you don't actually quite know what the rules are.

I wish I had known all of this sooner, although I am not sure that it would have made it any easier, but maybe it could have. I just don't know. It's like you now know why your car or washing machine is broken, but you don't have the tools to fix it.

tribpot · 05/05/2023 19:56

I'm definitely not an expert but I don't think ASD explains the high levels of manipulative behaviour, nor the selfishness, nor the greed. I would be very wary of becoming too invested in your armchair diagnosis at the expense of seeing them for the truly dreadful people that they are. I'm sure there will be posters on this thread with ASD who can attest to the fact it's not carte blanche to be a horrible human being.

ChopinanChampagne · 05/05/2023 19:57

Just to make it absolutely clear, I am not saying that ASD people are broken, and Tony Attwood is also at pains to explain just how remarkably gifted, talented and special many people with ASD are, just that they think and react differently in some situations from neurotypicals. I was saying - or trying to - that the relationship with DD1 appears to be broken and I don't know how to fix it.

RandomMess · 05/05/2023 19:59
Flowers

I'm not surprised tbh.

You can also be ASD and be an arsehole/greedy/not nice. They aren't mutually exclusive!

ChopinanChampagne · 05/05/2023 20:01

Maybe. It was my birthday earlier this week, the 3rd without DH, not a card or even a text message.....🥲

BadNomad · 05/05/2023 20:03

I think this current ASD/Asperger's pathway you've decided to go down is just another desperate attempt to find a way to excuse DD rather than just accept that she is a selfish asshole who doesn't care about anyone other than herself and her husband. It would also absolve you of any blame you feel over how she has turned out.

Newestname002 · 05/05/2023 20:11

ChopinanChampagne · 05/05/2023 20:01

Maybe. It was my birthday earlier this week, the 3rd without DH, not a card or even a text message.....🥲

Awww. Belated Happy Birthday @ChopinanChampagne @ChopinandChampagne. Hope you had a nice time with your other daughters/friends. 🌈🌹

monsteramunch · 05/05/2023 20:17

Happy birthday for last week @ChopinandChampagne @ChopinanChampagne I'm sure you had lovely messages from your other two and friends - I hope so anyway, you bloody deserve it Flowers

Billybagpuss · 05/05/2023 20:29

Hi @ChopinandChampagne belated happy birthday.

I don’t think it would have made a difference understanding reasons early, you would still have been walking on eggshells throughout the whole relationship.

I’m so sorry she ignored it, for what it’s worth I do think from things you’ve said in the past I think she would have been thinking of you on the day. She has been very thoughtful in previous years in her own way.

IScreamAtMichaelangelos · 05/05/2023 20:50

Happy belated birthday Chopin!

I agree, it's possible to have ASD AND be selfish. However, people with ASD often also have a heightened sense of justice, so deep down she may know she's being unfair but is burying it because that's an inconvenient truth....

tattychicken · 05/05/2023 22:23

Happy Birthday Chopin. 🎂 Even if DD1 is autistic, there's not much you can do about it. Mentioning it to her will cause anguish to you. I doubt she will take you seriously or seek a diagnosis.
The best I think it can be is a filter you use with which to help manage your response to her behaviour.
My DD1 is autistic so once I tried to see her properly through an "autistic lens" a lot of her behaviour made sense, and really helped me understand and connect with her. And also protect myself a bit. And forgive myself a bit.

LadyEloise1 · 05/05/2023 23:37

Happy Birthday @ChopinanChampagne

legospringqueen · 05/05/2023 23:44

Belated Happy Birthday from me too Flowers

Muppetshair · 06/05/2023 10:43

I hope that you were surrounded by your other DDs on your birthday which I am sure was bittersweet given the absence of your DH and DD.

What can you now see as ASD traits in your DD looking back and if it is hereditary are there other family members through the generations who may have similar traits? Where do you see her on the mild, moderate or severe spectrum and was any of this spotted or causing issues in school?

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