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Where is ChopinandChampagne? LB update?

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gianfrancogorgonzola · 07/11/2022 12:34

Really hope you see this C&C, I was following your other threads (name change a lot) and wanted to check in to see how you are.

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ChopinanChampagne · 28/02/2023 18:42

I just want to say that I apologise if I have offended anybody by saying that I thought that DH's aunt was ASD, but was regarded as 'eccentric'. She was also extremely intelligent, wonderful company, had a very different and interesting approach to life, and I became very close to her. But sometimes she didn't read social cues and would say things or act inappropriately. She had some very fixed and non conventional views. And she knew the London bus timetable by heart. She was fabulous!

StalkedByASpider · 28/02/2023 19:03

@ChopinanChampagne @ChopinandChampagne - (you seem to have two different usernames so thought I'd tag both 😊)

Only a quick reply from me but I remember you mentioning ASD for one of your other DDs in the past, and it did cross my mind briefly before whether it would apply to this DD also. I think it would explain why your DD has a very fixed idea of what should and shouldn't happen - and it would also explain why she's so vulnerable to a man who appears to be abusive and controlling. I seem to remember previous posts of yours where you said she'd always been a bit rude/selfish growing up. Those can be other markers of ASD, particularly when undiagnosed, and very common in ASD girls. The rudeness/selfishness is often unintentional with the child oblivious to how they're being perceived. It's just part of the overall lack of awareness and social/communication difficulties that come with ASD.

I am autistic and have ADHD. I didn't find anything you said offensive. I am beautifully unique and wonderfully individual, and I appreciate that others find me different and "quirky". And I am 100% OK with that, so imo, no need to apologise at all.

Of course, being autistic doesn't mean that her behaviour has been any more acceptable. You really have been through the mill, and being autistic doesn't mean that you have permission to disregard the feelings of others. But it might help you understand the root cause of her behaviour, and it might give you some assurance that maybe some of her actions weren't deliberately offensive or nasty. Anxiety can be overwhelming, and it can feel deeply uncomfortable when fixed ideas are challenged. So I'd say go forward with this knowledge, but don't let it allow you to accept being treated badly.

Btw, I think apologising for being at a low mental ebb is a terrible idea. It puts the power back to them, and reinforces the idea that you have somehow behaved badly and wrong - which you haven't. It provides them with ammunition to make you the "bad person" once more. I said before, I don't think there's any harm in expressing regret that you've fallen out, reinforcing your love and leaving the door open for future contact - but accepting the blame would be a big mistake, I believe. (And here you have concrete proof of my lack of tact and my fixed ideas 😅)

RandomMess · 28/02/2023 19:10

Glad you are having a marvellous time!!

I am at the end of my 2 week holiday in states, first trip anywhere in 24 years! With my eldest DC we have both recently been diagnosed with ASD and awaiting confirmation of ADHD and I can say although it's been fabulous it's been challenging for both of us 🤣

I can see that ASD would contribute to many of your DD1 behaviours and attitudes that you have described.

Flowers
IScreamAtMichaelangelos · 28/02/2023 20:21

Another autistic person here, who is very glad that you're having such a lovely holiday Chopin! None of what you said offends me. However, I would point out that autistic people are perfectly capable of being unkind and deliberately hurtful just like neurotypical people are; I'd be ashamed to act as your DD1 has, autism or no. Your other DDs aren't like that so that supports the theory that she is at least partly making a choice (and not one driven by differences in upbringing).

The card to your DGC sounds fab :)

TimeForThunder · 02/03/2023 09:16

I just wanted to say @ChopinanChampagne @ChopinandChampagne that I've quietly followed your posts on this for some time and am wishing you and your family well. I hope that your theory about ASD is helpful to you in framing all that's happened and maybe better helps you forge a way forward.

Your husband sound like a very interesting man (and in my field so I'm doubly likely to be impressed!) and I'm sure he'd be very proud of the way you're handling everything.

Enjoy your holiday!

TheSandgroper · 05/03/2023 11:21

What a day. @ChopinandChampagne and @TheSandgroper have had a lovely time. A drive along the beach, a walk though King’s Park, a wine and gin tasting followed by lunch.

@ChopinandChampagne is one of the nicest women I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. I have loved showing my town.

Where is ChopinandChampagne? LB update?
billy1966 · 05/03/2023 12:05

TheSandgroper · 05/03/2023 11:21

What a day. @ChopinandChampagne and @TheSandgroper have had a lovely time. A drive along the beach, a walk though King’s Park, a wine and gin tasting followed by lunch.

@ChopinandChampagne is one of the nicest women I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. I have loved showing my town.

So pleased to read this.

Delighted for you both.

ChopinanChampagne · 05/03/2023 12:20

TheSandgroper - thank you for your lovely post, you have made me quite tearful (in a good way!). Thank you for showing me your beautiful city. It was a wonderful end to a wonderful holiday! I am now at Perth airport waiting for the long flight home, when I will dream of clear blue waters and clear blue skies, and an unforgettable holiday! 🥂

billy1966 · 05/03/2023 12:35

@ChopinandChampagne safe journey home to you.

ChopinanChampagne · 05/03/2023 12:36

Thanks Billy X

TheSandgroper · 05/03/2023 12:49

@ChopinanChampagne Safe flight.

LadyEloise1 · 05/03/2023 13:19

Delighted you met up with @TheSandgroper and had a great break.
Safe journey home and don't you dare apologise. Flowers

Dery · 05/03/2023 13:27

Lovely’s update from @TheSandgroper Put a smile on my face! Have a great flight home @ChopinandChampagne !

RandomMess · 05/03/2023 13:36

Safe travels home, may you sleep and sleep Flowers

Childbeingreallybold · 05/03/2023 14:50

@TheSandgroper @ChopinandChampagne

so happy to hear this. I would love more detail. Was it weird meeting in real life?

legofrostqueen · 05/03/2023 17:04

Great updates @ChopinanChampagne @ChopinandChampagne &@TheSandgroper - safe travels!

OldFan · 06/03/2023 01:15

Ooh glad you had a good time, both.

EarringsandLipstick · 07/03/2023 21:36

Wonderful updates @ChopinanChampagne & @TheSandgroper 👏👏👏👏

OldFan · 08/03/2023 15:47

@TheSandgroper Why are you called Sandgroper? Is it, like, a kink? Smile

SpongeBobJudgeyPants · 08/03/2023 20:09

A Sandgroper is apparently an Australian insect. I googled, and it's not a cute insect.

OldFan · 08/03/2023 22:29

Ah ok, thanks. Smile

ChopinanChampagne · 15/03/2023 06:58

Good morning everyone (and good afternoon to Sandgroper, who is much cuter than her namesake!).

Sorry to not have updated for a while, but it was a long way home, and there was lots to catch up with when I got back. I had a wonderful holiday and am now much calmer and on an even keel, where I am determined to stay, as I am terrified of falling back into that big black pit, which I stumbled into before Christmas. I feel like someone who is out on parole, cautious but free - within limitations - and terrified of being sent back inside if I breach my conditions. I have had a session with my new therapist and we are going to look at strategies to help me from sliding back.

I also met some lovely people on holiday,(including Sandgroper, of course) but also a widow, older than me, very much a free spirit and travelling the world, but who still suffers from grief after 17 years. She is very sensible, resilient, down to earth, gets on with things, great sense of humour, but understands how loss can fell the strongest person. She explained how, for the first two years, she was wary when catching a tube, and had to fix herself to the back wall of the station when the train came in, as she feared she might jump. She stayed alive for her children.

So much of what she said resonated with me - I too have felt those strong impulses but, apart from wanting to be here for my DDs, I also wouldn't want to disrupt the lives of people going about their everyday business, and I know how devastating it can be for the train driver.

Sorry, that sounded unduly maudlin. I just meant that she helped me because she gave me hope; even though she still has days where she is totally debilitated, mostly she is happy, living life to the full, for her and for her DH. She also made me feel 'normal', encouraged me and said I was doing very well, whereas sometimes I feel that for some people they regard grief as having a 'sell by date'.

I have had a lot of time to think whilst I was away. The more I think about it, a diagnosis of ASD explains so much of DD1's behaviour. Thank you StalkedByASpider (fabulous user name!) for your incredibly helpful comments, which really resonated with me, and for your advice. Part of me does want to just apologise and try to recover some sort of relationship, but hopefully from a stronger position of understanding - this is what the 'old' therapist is suggesting, as she thinks that DD1 will not get in touch otherwise. On the other hand, as you say, this does make me into the 'bad person' again, and I don't feel that I can deal with any more rejection at present. The thought of that pit is terrifying. My new therapist is helpful in making me feel that it was ok to get upset with DD1, given the history, so I am being kinder and more forgiving towards myself.

RandomMess - thank you for sharing this. Have you had your diagnosis yet?

IScreamAtMichaelangelos - thank you so much for your supportive comments. Another fabulous user name!

TimeForThunder- thank you. Yes, I do feel a greater understanding, which hopefully will enable me to deal with things better going forward. I even thought of saying to DD1 that DD2 had recently had a diagnosis, along with DD3; that it runs in families; that it explained a lot of things; that I wanted to be more understanding. But how to word this sympathetically and tactfully, as it has the potential to massively backfire? Probably best left alone for now. However, she has questioned herself on occasions, was diagnosed with OCD - apparently often a misdiagnosis of ASD in women - and even suspected that she might be bipolar. The 'meltdowns' early on in the relationship with LB, as I now believe this is what they were, are explained by this, as are so many other aspects of her behaviour. Which isn't to say that she doesn't have a 'mean streak' because she definitely does, although it's probably more a matter of casual 'cruelty'/lack of empathy.

On a more positive note, I have heard from the new Notaire that they are satisfied that the French property has passed to me under the terms of DH's will, so they are going to draw up the relevant paperwork to deal with this, which will facilitate any sale. This is such a relief! I do want to use some of the sale proceeds to help my DDs, but I would have felt terrible and it could have caused so much ill feeling, if the forced heirship rules had been potentially applicable, and they were to effectively be asked to give something up (even if they weren't entitled to it in the first place). I can just imagine what LB's approach would have been. Fortunately, however, now I don't need to worry, I just need to find a buyer, and will instruct agents at the end of the ski season! 😃

EarringsandLipstick · 15/03/2023 07:07

Lovely to hear your update @ChopinanChampagne

It sounds like a wonderful break, that has given you a 'mental' break from all your worries and provided some clarity.

I'm a bit 🤔 about DD1 / ASD as regardless, it's no excuse for her behaviour in any way.

Great news about France!

Billybagpuss · 15/03/2023 07:38

Oh I’m cheering away here on the French property.
So pleased you had a good holiday it does sound amazing.

your new therapist sounds good because it is ok for you to be upset and eggshell walking is not healthy. I think going forward you have to remember that, any reconciliation in the past has always been on their terms with you constantly in fear of it all collapsing again.

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