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Where is ChopinandChampagne? LB update?

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gianfrancogorgonzola · 07/11/2022 12:34

Really hope you see this C&C, I was following your other threads (name change a lot) and wanted to check in to see how you are.

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marvellousmaple · 05/01/2023 00:44

Hope you are well, I have only caught up on your story recently. I have a slightly similar problem so completely understand.
With your trip you are packing a lot in. I'm sure you will love it but just a heads up that you are going to be knackered.
Best wishes for a chilled 2023

EarringsandLipstick · 05/01/2023 00:59

TheSandgroper · 04/01/2023 23:50

@ChopinanChampagne I am in Perth. I see you are only here for one night. Please feel welcome to DM me at any time. Unless you have specific plans, you need not be on your own.

That's so lovely! Love the international reach of MN!

ChopinandChampagne · 05/01/2023 01:34

This is the song I used to play regularly when I was expecting DD1

ChopinandChampagne · 05/01/2023 01:35

And this what I play now:

deeperthanallroses · 05/01/2023 01:50

My understanding of the French house situation is there is no legal claim, but buyers will find it more attractive with the signing of a waiver. If I have this correctly, then I’d consider whether a bit more negotiation with buyers is not 1000x easier than any discussion with lb and dd1 about it, perhaps a clear letter from a lawyer explaining why there is no legal basis for a claim from your children to accompany the house documents?
im in melb, happy to help on any questions! That week is very busy for us unfortunately, with school return and my return to work post mat leave and dc3 1st bday and christening.

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Castleontheisland · 05/01/2023 04:13

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ChopinandChampagne · 05/01/2023 05:34

Thanks for your posts. I agree that the notaire is being diligent and will look into the situation further. As a previous poster said, there must be situations where, for various reasons, potential beneficiaries will not sign a disclaimer. However, the system is very different in France, with all sorts of information, including proof of ownership and payment of local taxes being required by the estate agents before marketing a property.

Swiminanglesey - That's very observant of you. Like many people on MN, I change my username regularly. For the purposes of this thread, I have reverted to my username for the previous thread, but inadvertently spelt it wrong for the first few posts. MN would not have let me reuse my old username if I were a different poster. I assure you that I am genuine.

TheSandgroper - that is really lovely of you and, if time allows, it would be great to meet. I am coming into Perth on the Indian-Pacific train on 4th March, then staying for just one night, but my flight back to the UK is not until 22.20 (via Dubai), so there may be chance for a meet up on the 5th. I will try to DM you nearer the time, if that's ok, depending on the itinerary, although I think the last day will just be for relaxing rather than sightseeing. It would be nice to see a friendly face!

TheSandgroper · 05/01/2023 12:35

@ChopinandChampagne No problem. Would love to relax with you.

MondayTuesdayWednesday · 05/01/2023 12:37

@ChopinanChampagne I have read all of your past threads and just caught up on this more recent one now.

I'm sorry to hear that things are still so difficult with your daughter but it seems as though you have come to a new way of dealing with this, by accepting that no matter what you do, any relationship you have with your daughter and grandchildren will be on her and SIL's terms.

Perhaps I missed a post on this, but it seems as if your daughter and SIL are involved in some fundamentalist type of religion rather than the normal roman catholic faith. Baptisms are celebrations in Ireland and would usually involve a celebration or marking of the occasion with family and friends. There are some groups of fundamentalist/evangelical Christian communities in rural Ireland that would be follow the same traditions as others in the Roman Catholic faith. Generally most people in the RC faith would accept all gifts in the spirit that they are offered and not have such stringent views.

As others have responded in relation to another posters post, it is not at all common not to have central heating in Ireland these days with even the oldest homes having central heating.

It is a balancing act for you to continue to have a relationship with your DD and DGC and while some have recommended that you cut contact with your DD, I understand that this is very difficult to do and I too would not do this or give up hope but continue to try to keep the channels of communication open if possible in a distanced way.

It seems from your recent posts that your DD is the one who has now decided she no longer wants to be in contact with you however, I do believe that this will change in the future.

I don't think it was a bad thing that you aired you opinions to her even if you do now regret doing this. You couldn't have had any real relationship anyway if you had continued to hold these thoughts in and your DD certainly is not worried about telling you how she feels without regard for your emotions.

I agree with others that your DD and SIL will try to make a claim on the french property if they see any opening for this at all and this will be a further battle. Any communication in relation to this should be done only through your lawyers and you should not respond to any direct communication from your DD in relation to this but it really is something that you need to take care of sooner rather than later so best of luck with that.

I hope your holiday helps you to have some distance from your stresses in relation to all of this and that you have a wonderful time!

Please do keep posting here if it helps you process your thoughts and feelings. It does not matter if you do not take the advice, you are not obliged to just as people are not obliged to offer it.

Newestname002 · 06/01/2023 13:50

billy1966 - altering the age until 25 for inheritance is a good idea, which I have already been thinking of.

Actually, my thinking is more age 30 than 21. Especially where daughters are concerned. 🌹

Goldpaw · 06/01/2023 18:17

Yes, I think 30 is a lot more sensible. It will also give them a boost when they may be more settled and have a more independent view of the world and their lives.

OldFan · 06/01/2023 18:36

Actually, my thinking is more age 30 than 21. Especially where daughters are concerned.

@Newestname002 ???

ChopinandChampagne · 07/01/2023 08:05

MondayTuesdayWednesday - thank you so much for your supportive post. I do, indeed, find it really helpful to post here, and am very grateful for all comments, including any negative ones. There is nothing anybody can say which is worse than I have thought myself.

In truth, I have found Christmas and New Year a long, hard slog, and have tried to keep commitments to a minimum, whilst not letting anyone down. Some days I have just not wanted to do anything, I have been finding it difficult even to eat or swallow food, there is a constant ache and anxiety in the pit of my stomach, my gums are bleeding, my sleep patterns are in total disarray, and I have not been particularly functional. My therapist is ill, so I haven't spoken to her for a couple of weeks. Moan, moan, moan....!

I have just been in survival mode, really, a bit of a hermit. But gradually feeling better and turning the proverbial corner. In some ways, it was the uncertainty which was killing me, but also a lot of ongoing grief around DH, and memories of happy family Christmases long ago, in that sunny parallel universe which no longer exists. And I am determined to move forward and not wallow. I had lots of lovely messages and cards and I have lots of things to look forward to, so I know that I am fortunate in many ways.

The boxes finally went yesterday afternoon and it was a relief to see them go. I didn't send a message and I don't suppose I will even receive a cursory thank you for sending them. I need to message LB's DP to say to expect them, but I don't know if I should say anything else. Should I say anything about the background, ask them to keep a caring eye on the DGC and DD1, express any of my concerns, or is that likely to backfire?

I am grateful to you for saying that it was ok to express my opinion to her, however badly, but of course I regret upsetting her and, also, myself. I wish that I could have been more detached, but it's done now, and I'm not sorry that I said some of the things I said, especially about racism. I just feel that she is in a bubble and that the bubble is getting smaller and smaller, as it has since the day she met him. It has been incremental, like the proverbial boiling of the frog, so that she doesn't perceive it. She just seems to think that I am motivated by malice.

I also wonder if she thinks I am going senile, when she mentions my warped recollections of the past. I bought a 'Mr Men' book in Egypt when I was there and she said 'Oh Mum, you already bought them the set', as though I had forgotten. I said I didn't think that it was in the original set and she later confirmed I was right. And, to be fair, I don't always remember exactly what I have bought them, because she would just send links, and I don't see the DGC enough to witness any toys or clothes that are in use.

I am looking for another therapist and any recommendations would be gratefully received. It is so hard to know where to start.

On the plus side, I now have my visas. I need to get outside my discomfort zone! 🤣

LorthernNights · 07/01/2023 09:22

Hi Chopin

I would just keep your message to LBs parents bright and breezy - just let them know the parcel is on its way ,maybe
thank them for passing it on and leave it at that. As you say anything else is likely to be twisted and used against you.

I really hope now that you have survived Christmas you can start to heal a little and regain your strength for your exciting trip - do not let her spoil that for you .

I hope you can find a good therapist.

Have you seen your GP regarding the eating /swallowing/sleeping issues ?
I've found a temporary low dose of diazepam helped me enormously when I had similar symptoms cause by extreme stress.

sending love X

LadyEloise1 · 07/01/2023 09:29

I agree with @LorthernNights, short, bright and breezy is the way to go.

monsteramunch · 07/01/2023 09:52

Should I say anything about the background, ask them to keep a caring eye on the DGC and DD1, express any of my concerns, or is that likely to backfire?

Please don't do this! It's like handing them a loaded gun, each sentence will be a bullet they'll use as ammunition. You'll also be accused of trying to turn his own parents against him (rather than protecting your DGC which I know is the truth) and you may lose one of your lifelines (his parents) if he can manipulate them into thinking that's what you're doing.

Don't give them the potential ammunition. Concise and breezy message is the way to go.

ChopinandChampagne · 07/01/2023 10:53

Thank you. I have just sent a short message wishing them a happy new year, saying boxes are on the way and I hope they have a good trip.

I wonder if I will ever see DD1 and my DGC again.

goody2shooz · 07/01/2023 13:27

@ChopinandChampagne I’m quite sure you will see your grandchildren again, especially if you can remain detached and wait till your daughter contacts you….as you know she will. Yes, it will be because she (or LB) wants something, you have money and they want that. She has the dgc and has already shown that she is prepared to work on a pay per view system. They will be back in touch, and though it will pain you considerably, take some of the good advice from the thread and hold back. No gifts, no contact. Just wait. She’ll be back.

ChopinandChampagne · 07/01/2023 13:36

I know you are right. Still hanging back. Sorry for having a wobble!

Newestname002 · 07/01/2023 13:46

Please don't apologise @ChopinandChampagne - you'd not be human if you didn't have a wobble now and then. I hope you are able to lean on your other daughters to get additional support as well as on here. Hold tight my dear lady. 🌹

RandomMess · 07/01/2023 14:01

When the relationship with my eldest was strained I often felt the same. It's a little like that with my 3rd but I have my eldest at least to reassure me that it's her sister being immature and I'm being human to be upset at some of her messages!

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PussInBin20 · 07/01/2023 14:20

Well I guess she’s made her bed and all that. I can’t help feeling that one day she will wake up and smell the coffee and want a better (easier) life without LB. He does sound controlling (& quite scary tbh) but you’ve done your very best. What more can you do?

I hope you have a wonderful time in Australia and all the other places en route. It sounds like you could do with something else to focus on and enjoy yourself!

tribpot · 07/01/2023 14:48

Really well done for not putting a note in with the parcels, and not giving in to the temptation to say something to the Lobster Parents. These are not small victories, even if they seem like it.

Glad the boxes have gone. Time to look forwards.

LadyEloise1 · 07/01/2023 14:51

ChopinandChampagne · 07/01/2023 10:53

Thank you. I have just sent a short message wishing them a happy new year, saying boxes are on the way and I hope they have a good trip.

I wonder if I will ever see DD1 and my DGC again.

Excellent message to inlaws.
Softly softly catchee monkey
She will come back. Possibly when she is looking for something,but that's pk because you are on to her and can play her at her own game and see your gc.

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