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Gaslighting, cheating BF. What do I do?!

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alwayslemons · 24/10/2022 08:53

Right, here goes.

Bf has been weird for the past few months. Distant and a bit checked out. Sometimes it really seemed like he didn’t like me anymore. He stopped inviting me to events with his friends, and the last one I went to (a bbq in the summer) his best mate was really odd with me. Went from proper ribbing (he’s the kind of guy who reserves the worst insults for his closest friends) to being all smiley and polite like I was a stranger.

A few weeks ago I found out bf was doing drugs, when previously he was very anti them. He lied about it to my face. Made me suddenly think - well what else has he been lying about? So I checked his phone.

Turns out he’s been cheating on me with multiple women. Summer 2021 it was with a girl in his friendship group. Then some random girls who it looks like he met online or on nights out. One night stands mostly. Then this year he had a longer fling with a girl he knows through work, and then most recently an American friend of a friend. The American one he’s been saying he loves and wants to be only with her. The work girl is a staunch Catholic who he got pregnant and pressured into having an abortion only in the last couple of weeks.

To all of them, and all of his friends, he’s been lying about me saying the most upsetting things. They all know about the American and they’re all “really happy” for him. He’s been saying I’m a gold digger and have been abusive, and that I’ve refused to have sex with him for years. We went on holiday not long ago and he told them all that we had separate hotel rooms, that I picked fights with him, and that we spent the holidays entirely apart. Utter, utter nonsense. I couldn’t believe what I was reading (although it does explain why he would only take selfies while we were away and not let me take any pics with him).

He told them he broke up with me straight after the holiday, that we’ve been sleeping in separate bedrooms since, and that the only reason he hasn’t made me leave yet is because he cares for me too much. One of his female friends in particular keeps saying “kick the gold digging b*tch out haha”

So they all think I’m this evil witch and so have actively applauded his cheating (although I think they only know about the American, not the pregnant girl).

I feel sick and I don’t know what to do. Obviously I’m outta here as soon as I can afford to get a flat but I’m utterly winded that he’s managed to make all his friends (and possibly family too??) think that I’m the bad guy in this.

He has cheated before - we broke up for 18 months 6 years ago when I found out he’d been on Tinder and and was sleeping around when he went for work trips. He has always denied it despite me seeing all the messages. So yes, I feel really stupid for getting back with him and believing he’d changed. From what I’ve read I think his friends don’t know about that either and think I was just being fickle or something when I ended it back then.

I’m holding it together and I don’t want to confront him yet. I want to make him pay.

He’s so innocent looking and a real life-of-the-party type; he knows how to make people like him (my mum LOVES him and begged me to take him back after he cheated because she was sure there must’ve been some mistake - “he would never do such a thing”). When he first cheated it felt so bizarre because I trusted him so completely that it never occurred to me that he might do that. It never occurred to me to be jealous, ever. He’s really good at playing the innocent and pretending to be someone he’s not.

I want all his friends, his various girlfriends, and his family, to know he’s a lying cheating gaslighting scumbag. I’m not usually a vengeful person, but this is a different level.

What the f* do I do?

OP posts:
therubbiliser · 24/10/2022 08:56

This sounds so bad as to not be real. You leave of course.

LuckyLil · 24/10/2022 08:56

He has cheated before - we broke up for 18 months 6 years ago when I found out he’d been on Tinder and and was sleeping around when he went for work trips.

What the f do you do? Get some self respect, that's what you do.

icelollycraving · 24/10/2022 09:01

Take photos of all his lies.
They won’t believe you, they won’t want to think the person they know is such a twat. Take the photos for yourself so that you remember what he is and don’t give him another chance.
Can you leave? Move back with parents? Be practical. Are you on the tenancy/ mortgage?

alwayslemons · 24/10/2022 09:02

A red flag that I ignored when I shouldn’t have: a few years ago we were having a pub brunch with a load of his mates and someone suggested getting beers or bloody marys or something - alcohol, anyway. He seemed to make a bit of a show of turning to me and saying “Can I have a drink? Am I allowed? Is that ok?” To which I was obviously like “Why are you asking me for permission you weirdo? Do what you want?!”

I had a bf previously who used to do this, pretending like he was under the thumb or something. He also cheated. Current bf only did this once, but I should have paid attention. I feel like I’ve wasted 10 years of my life only for him to ruin my reputation and isolate me from my friends. There’s so much more I could tell you about him but for now I just want to get revenge because I am really, really, REALLY angry.

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OnTheBrinkOfChange · 24/10/2022 09:02

I don't understand how someone who is doing this doesn't protect their phone.

Is he insanely rich, that you are being accused of gold digging?

bigblueyonder · 24/10/2022 09:03

his best mate was really odd with me. Went from proper ribbing (he’s the kind of guy who reserves the worst insults for his closest friends) to being all smiley and polite like I was a stranger.

Sounds like his friends already know he is a lying, gas lighting bastard and you are the last to know. Pack your things and leave without another word. You all know what he does/did, no need to discuss.

He has checked out of the relationship but lacks the balls to be a decent person and tell you.

alwayslemons · 24/10/2022 09:10

He has a really predictable password.

I work in hospitality and earn not much more than minimum wage. He’s on a six figure salary. I’ve never been able to chip in equally for the things we do (and during the pandemic I was made redundant so was entirely dependent on him for a while) but I try to make up for it in other ways. I do all the housework & cooking, for example.

Whenever I’ve had a job he’s told me I don’t need to work, but I kept working because I want to have some financial independence. I think that’s important even if it is a fraction of what he makes.

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rainbowstardrops · 24/10/2022 09:46

What do you do? You leave the fucker.

alwayslemons · 24/10/2022 10:00

Obviously I’m leaving him.

Obviously.

But I want revenge. And I want a way to let his friends and family and new girlfriend(s) know just what a nasty, lying little prick he really is. I’m so angry that after everything he’s done he’s carefully laid the groundwork for ME to look like the villain.

They’re all cheering him on and accepting his other girlfriend while they go out with all his friends as a couple and they’re “happy for him” because apparently I’m the evil witch. So he gets to be happy ever after and I get a decade of my life wasted and a reputation as a terrible person? Nah.

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9HrsSleep · 24/10/2022 10:03

Use your phone to take photos of everything on his phone that shows what a cheating d!@k he's been and email it all to a new email account he doesnt have the password to. Then, move into your mums and cut all contact with him. You can think about the possibility of revenge when you're safely at your mums.

Opaljewel · 24/10/2022 10:08

Sing like a canary. Don't keep his dirty secrets. I might sound pathetic but I would hate anyone thinking that of me and I'd tell everyone straight including his mum. Screw that. Hate rotten people like him.

You deserve better op. Other than that to tell the truth, just then walk away.

LemonDrop22 · 24/10/2022 10:10

So you've been with him 10 yrs or so, is that right?

Where to begin ....

Personally I think he sounds like he has some sort of personality disorder... Narcissistic or sociopathic etc.

I think the likelihood of him changing is very low.

I think, even if he changed today and stayed changed (which I wouldn't bet a penny on), what he had done to date in the relationship means you should still not continue it.

I think that if you'd like children etc. you've spent 10 yes if your presumably adult, fertile life with him and need to free yourself in order to give yourself the chance to meet a partner and have them.

I think that you're going to find it very hard I feed to prove that he's been lying. Apart from perhaus the evidence of the affairs and unplanned pregnancy. Though he's been making out you're not really together, that you're kind of living apart and that your relationship is not secure or solid so he'll just continue to lie about that and they'll believe him or just not want to be bothered pllioring him or cutting him off.

Ultimately, sorry but, people don't really care.

They don't really care about other people's relationships and bad behaviour. They're not going to inconvenience themselves over it. It doesn't really affect them or matter to them.

It would be lovely if we lived in a world where most people confronted and cut off people who act like this but ... We don't. Unless it directly affects them (like he's cheating with their gf, or encouraging their bf to cheat ... they don't.

You'll be wasting your energy.

Likewise his family will not take your side and will make excuses for him.

It's simply not worth the effort or stress.

You need to get out .... You need to recover and you need to rebuild a life without him in it. That is what all your energy and focus should be going towards.

A life well lived is the best revenge.

EVHead · 24/10/2022 10:10

Don’t waste any more of your life on this loser.

Forget about revenge - it’s a waste of your time and energy. Also you’re unlikely to see the full fallout - you won’t achieve the satisfaction you think you will.

Move in with your mum and focus on YOU. Learn from your mistakes and move on.

The best revenge is living well.

Aikko · 24/10/2022 10:13

A life well lived is the best revenge.

This.

Cut off all contact with this loser and his circle - and live your best life.

LemonDrop22 · 24/10/2022 10:15

If you disclose details about his work affair and the pressured abortion, I'd imagine people (who've been conditioned by him for years to think you're controlling, a gold digger/user, that you're in separate rooms etc. so they'll be less judgemental.about that"affair" anyway). will actually think you're the bad one for exposing some girl's abortion that she'd obviously wish to be kept private.

9HrsSleep · 24/10/2022 10:15

Aikko · 24/10/2022 10:13

A life well lived is the best revenge.

This.

Cut off all contact with this loser and his circle - and live your best life.

This shows how classy you are... that you're above this.

LemonDrop22 · 24/10/2022 10:16

So he gets to be happy ever after

How could he ever be happy ever after (or his partner). Do you really think his behaviour (for years) to date is the anomaly and he's not going to continued it sooner or later in some way?

LemonDrop22 · 24/10/2022 10:18

Anyone can fully understand that you'd like to expose him for what he is and counter the character assassination he's done of you, but a. It's going to be very difficult and b. It doesn't actually matter. What matters is you recovering and rebuildung your life.

It will be very easy for you to be portrayed as the bitter, nasty, crazy ex if you try to expose him.

TwitcherLady · 24/10/2022 10:19

I agree a life well lived is the best revenge. I would still copy/take pics of as much info as I can and take steps to get the hell out. I've been in a similar situation (not as bad) and it did take me a long time to get over the feeling of I had to have "revenge". Thing is, looking back it served no purpose, I was spending too much time wondering what others thought of me because of his lies, when ultimately down the line they don't feature in my now happy life. Good luck.

ThatAussieGuy · 24/10/2022 10:21

alwayslemons · 24/10/2022 08:53

Right, here goes.

Bf has been weird for the past few months. Distant and a bit checked out. Sometimes it really seemed like he didn’t like me anymore. He stopped inviting me to events with his friends, and the last one I went to (a bbq in the summer) his best mate was really odd with me. Went from proper ribbing (he’s the kind of guy who reserves the worst insults for his closest friends) to being all smiley and polite like I was a stranger.

A few weeks ago I found out bf was doing drugs, when previously he was very anti them. He lied about it to my face. Made me suddenly think - well what else has he been lying about? So I checked his phone.

Turns out he’s been cheating on me with multiple women. Summer 2021 it was with a girl in his friendship group. Then some random girls who it looks like he met online or on nights out. One night stands mostly. Then this year he had a longer fling with a girl he knows through work, and then most recently an American friend of a friend. The American one he’s been saying he loves and wants to be only with her. The work girl is a staunch Catholic who he got pregnant and pressured into having an abortion only in the last couple of weeks.

To all of them, and all of his friends, he’s been lying about me saying the most upsetting things. They all know about the American and they’re all “really happy” for him. He’s been saying I’m a gold digger and have been abusive, and that I’ve refused to have sex with him for years. We went on holiday not long ago and he told them all that we had separate hotel rooms, that I picked fights with him, and that we spent the holidays entirely apart. Utter, utter nonsense. I couldn’t believe what I was reading (although it does explain why he would only take selfies while we were away and not let me take any pics with him).

He told them he broke up with me straight after the holiday, that we’ve been sleeping in separate bedrooms since, and that the only reason he hasn’t made me leave yet is because he cares for me too much. One of his female friends in particular keeps saying “kick the gold digging b*tch out haha”

So they all think I’m this evil witch and so have actively applauded his cheating (although I think they only know about the American, not the pregnant girl).

I feel sick and I don’t know what to do. Obviously I’m outta here as soon as I can afford to get a flat but I’m utterly winded that he’s managed to make all his friends (and possibly family too??) think that I’m the bad guy in this.

He has cheated before - we broke up for 18 months 6 years ago when I found out he’d been on Tinder and and was sleeping around when he went for work trips. He has always denied it despite me seeing all the messages. So yes, I feel really stupid for getting back with him and believing he’d changed. From what I’ve read I think his friends don’t know about that either and think I was just being fickle or something when I ended it back then.

I’m holding it together and I don’t want to confront him yet. I want to make him pay.

He’s so innocent looking and a real life-of-the-party type; he knows how to make people like him (my mum LOVES him and begged me to take him back after he cheated because she was sure there must’ve been some mistake - “he would never do such a thing”). When he first cheated it felt so bizarre because I trusted him so completely that it never occurred to me that he might do that. It never occurred to me to be jealous, ever. He’s really good at playing the innocent and pretending to be someone he’s not.

I want all his friends, his various girlfriends, and his family, to know he’s a lying cheating gaslighting scumbag. I’m not usually a vengeful person, but this is a different level.

What the f* do I do?

What do you do? You dive into the mess he created or you hold your head high and walk away. He's not worth it. Who CARES what his trashy friends think about you? You know you are worth more than he is giving you credit for. Getting involved to hurt him, will only hurt you. Hold your head high and walk away

LemonDrop22 · 24/10/2022 10:25

I was spending too much time wondering what others thought of me because of his lies, when ultimately down the line they don't feature in my now happy life.

Exactly.

When you move on, it won't matter.

I had an ex character assassinate me and wouldve made things v awkward for me at a shared hobby group. It was very unfair indeed. I couldn't really do the hobby much due to coursework, then I moved overseas, then came back but relocated for my partner's work ... I never attend, I rarely see anyone from it, ten yrs has passed. If I return there, its ancient history. And in the meantime I have no doubt his behaviour in relationships and general behaviour has come to light in little ways to those people as well.

How you feel is understandable but honestly... Sit on it. Gather evidence and have it there if you want, but put it on the back burner and focus on rebuilding your life. It's you that matters, your finances, your career, your welfare, your happiness, you finding a partner whose not like him etc.

BattenburgDonkey · 24/10/2022 10:26

‘Revenge’ is plain stupid and will quite nicely show everyone that he was right about you and that you are crazy. Move on with your life, leave him before he dumps you and start fresh with some dignity. His friends won’t ever be on your side wether you get ‘revenge’ or not.

BillieHolliday · 24/10/2022 10:27

I read to about the second paragraph. Just dump him

ThatAussieGuy · 24/10/2022 10:27

BattenburgDonkey · 24/10/2022 10:26

‘Revenge’ is plain stupid and will quite nicely show everyone that he was right about you and that you are crazy. Move on with your life, leave him before he dumps you and start fresh with some dignity. His friends won’t ever be on your side wether you get ‘revenge’ or not.

Spot on. Walk away, know your worth

If you try to get back at him, he will spin it. He's done this before :(

Hoppinggreen · 24/10/2022 10:28

alwayslemons · 24/10/2022 10:00

Obviously I’m leaving him.

Obviously.

But I want revenge. And I want a way to let his friends and family and new girlfriend(s) know just what a nasty, lying little prick he really is. I’m so angry that after everything he’s done he’s carefully laid the groundwork for ME to look like the villain.

They’re all cheering him on and accepting his other girlfriend while they go out with all his friends as a couple and they’re “happy for him” because apparently I’m the evil witch. So he gets to be happy ever after and I get a decade of my life wasted and a reputation as a terrible person? Nah.

None of that will ever happen so the sooner you accept that the better.