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Gaslighting, cheating BF. What do I do?!

145 replies

alwayslemons · 24/10/2022 08:53

Right, here goes.

Bf has been weird for the past few months. Distant and a bit checked out. Sometimes it really seemed like he didn’t like me anymore. He stopped inviting me to events with his friends, and the last one I went to (a bbq in the summer) his best mate was really odd with me. Went from proper ribbing (he’s the kind of guy who reserves the worst insults for his closest friends) to being all smiley and polite like I was a stranger.

A few weeks ago I found out bf was doing drugs, when previously he was very anti them. He lied about it to my face. Made me suddenly think - well what else has he been lying about? So I checked his phone.

Turns out he’s been cheating on me with multiple women. Summer 2021 it was with a girl in his friendship group. Then some random girls who it looks like he met online or on nights out. One night stands mostly. Then this year he had a longer fling with a girl he knows through work, and then most recently an American friend of a friend. The American one he’s been saying he loves and wants to be only with her. The work girl is a staunch Catholic who he got pregnant and pressured into having an abortion only in the last couple of weeks.

To all of them, and all of his friends, he’s been lying about me saying the most upsetting things. They all know about the American and they’re all “really happy” for him. He’s been saying I’m a gold digger and have been abusive, and that I’ve refused to have sex with him for years. We went on holiday not long ago and he told them all that we had separate hotel rooms, that I picked fights with him, and that we spent the holidays entirely apart. Utter, utter nonsense. I couldn’t believe what I was reading (although it does explain why he would only take selfies while we were away and not let me take any pics with him).

He told them he broke up with me straight after the holiday, that we’ve been sleeping in separate bedrooms since, and that the only reason he hasn’t made me leave yet is because he cares for me too much. One of his female friends in particular keeps saying “kick the gold digging b*tch out haha”

So they all think I’m this evil witch and so have actively applauded his cheating (although I think they only know about the American, not the pregnant girl).

I feel sick and I don’t know what to do. Obviously I’m outta here as soon as I can afford to get a flat but I’m utterly winded that he’s managed to make all his friends (and possibly family too??) think that I’m the bad guy in this.

He has cheated before - we broke up for 18 months 6 years ago when I found out he’d been on Tinder and and was sleeping around when he went for work trips. He has always denied it despite me seeing all the messages. So yes, I feel really stupid for getting back with him and believing he’d changed. From what I’ve read I think his friends don’t know about that either and think I was just being fickle or something when I ended it back then.

I’m holding it together and I don’t want to confront him yet. I want to make him pay.

He’s so innocent looking and a real life-of-the-party type; he knows how to make people like him (my mum LOVES him and begged me to take him back after he cheated because she was sure there must’ve been some mistake - “he would never do such a thing”). When he first cheated it felt so bizarre because I trusted him so completely that it never occurred to me that he might do that. It never occurred to me to be jealous, ever. He’s really good at playing the innocent and pretending to be someone he’s not.

I want all his friends, his various girlfriends, and his family, to know he’s a lying cheating gaslighting scumbag. I’m not usually a vengeful person, but this is a different level.

What the f* do I do?

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LemonDrop22 · 24/10/2022 10:28

His friends won’t ever be on your side wether you get ‘revenge’ or not.

This, unfortunately.

Same with his family.

As for his girlfriends, I'm sure they'll discover what he's like, painfully, as some point.

One of them, a religious girl, has already been coerced into an abortion by him.

As an aside, men who are abortion coercers are imho a true level of scum lower than the lowest.

summergone · 24/10/2022 10:28

I can see where you are coming from I too wouldn't like people thinking I was controlling and an awful partner when that's not the truth . I would actually message them all with photographic evidence of his heating and lies . Then explain at the end of the message that you will now be blocking them as you don't want to hear anything further about him as you have wasted enough years on him and you are now moving on with your life .

eatsleepwinerepeat · 24/10/2022 10:29

The very best thing you can do is leave with no conversation or explanation.

Anyone who treats another person the way he has doesn't give a shit about their feelings, so conversation/crying or accusations won't affect him anyway!

And revenge rarely goes well and may even make you look worse. Find the strength to leave, wait for him to go to work and walk out. Block him and don't look back.

Good luck.

LadyGardenersQuestionTime · 24/10/2022 10:30

You want public revenge? and you think the people who already think you are a batshit gaslighting control freak will suddenly see you as the angelic innocent party?

Just leave. Get some counselling to vent it all out and help you make better choices in the future. Watch his life implode from afar.

LemonDrop22 · 24/10/2022 10:31

I also find dropping little nuggets of info to people who are relatively neutral is useful.

You can do that without a big dramatic crazy looking attempt at exposure.

Just little nuggets of info in natural - ish conversation.

Don't look angry, bitter, super emotional, just wry and stoical about it (that's why it's a good idea to wait a while).

Whiskeypowers · 24/10/2022 10:33

BattenburgDonkey · 24/10/2022 10:26

‘Revenge’ is plain stupid and will quite nicely show everyone that he was right about you and that you are crazy. Move on with your life, leave him before he dumps you and start fresh with some dignity. His friends won’t ever be on your side wether you get ‘revenge’ or not.

Yes this is so true: anything else just feeds into his narrative that you are nuts and he will love it
wny do you care what anyone to do with this massive fuck up of a person thinks of you? They won’t.
truly you are so much better now leaving, blocking and vanishing

LemonDrop22 · 24/10/2022 10:34

and you think the people who already think you are a batshit gaslighting control freak will suddenly see you as the angelic innocent party?

You can add gold digging/exploitative/parasitic/user to that.

Yeah you're just going to be portrayed as bitter , unstable, crazy etc.

Propaganda wars are long and stealthy, keep that in mind.

ThatAussieGuy · 24/10/2022 10:34

alwayslemons · 24/10/2022 10:00

Obviously I’m leaving him.

Obviously.

But I want revenge. And I want a way to let his friends and family and new girlfriend(s) know just what a nasty, lying little prick he really is. I’m so angry that after everything he’s done he’s carefully laid the groundwork for ME to look like the villain.

They’re all cheering him on and accepting his other girlfriend while they go out with all his friends as a couple and they’re “happy for him” because apparently I’m the evil witch. So he gets to be happy ever after and I get a decade of my life wasted and a reputation as a terrible person? Nah.

He is a cunt. His friends are cunts. You have nothing to win here. Who cares what trash humans think ? You are worth more than this

Begoniasforever · 24/10/2022 10:34

Obviously I’m outta here as soon as I can afford to get a flat

sure, obvs. How long will that take then?

LemonDrop22 · 24/10/2022 10:34

His friends are cunts

This is also true.

Begoniasforever · 24/10/2022 10:38

LemonDrop22 · 24/10/2022 10:34

His friends are cunts

This is also true.

Why, she says clearly the friends think they are split up .and that’s she’s an abuser who lets him pay for most stuff and is only with him for the flat.

LemonDrop22 · 24/10/2022 10:40

He has cheated before - we broke up for 18 months 6 years ago when I found out he’d been on Tinder and and was sleeping around when he went for work trips. He has always denied it despite me seeing all the messages.

That was a mistake.

Understandable when you're dealing with a gas lighter/blatant liar who says black is white, and you're invested, attached.etc.

But you know that now.

Incidentally there are people who will, caught with their dick physically inside someone, continue lying and saying the person who caught them is blind/delusional/has it wrong/they were checking their temperature with their dick cause that's a valid method and theyf clothes were off because they were suffering from hypothermia etc etc.

Normal people are absolutely mind boggled by such people.... Because they would be ef lie like that or try to. It's ludicrous. But normal people can also be actually scanned by them ... Because they can't conceive of someone acting like that

As I said, I think your stbx is a narc or sociopath of both. They make interesting psychological studies but they do not make good partners. I feel very sorry for whoever ends up in a relationship with him. He's the sort of person who could easily wreck someone's mental health.

MadeForThis · 24/10/2022 10:40

Ghost him. Pack your stuff one day and just leave. No contact ever again. Give him no explanation.

Begoniasforever · 24/10/2022 10:40

alwayslemons · 24/10/2022 09:10

He has a really predictable password.

I work in hospitality and earn not much more than minimum wage. He’s on a six figure salary. I’ve never been able to chip in equally for the things we do (and during the pandemic I was made redundant so was entirely dependent on him for a while) but I try to make up for it in other ways. I do all the housework & cooking, for example.

Whenever I’ve had a job he’s told me I don’t need to work, but I kept working because I want to have some financial independence. I think that’s important even if it is a fraction of what he makes.

Are you currently unemployed? It reads like you are. How will you get a flat?

LemonDrop22 · 24/10/2022 10:42

*Because they would never lie like that or try to.

LemonDrop22 · 24/10/2022 10:42

Could you move in with family?

Begoniasforever · 24/10/2022 10:43

MadeForThis · 24/10/2022 10:40

Ghost him. Pack your stuff one day and just leave. No contact ever again. Give him no explanation.

Did you not read it, she’s no money. Where’s she going to go?

LemonDrop22 · 24/10/2022 10:45

LemonDrop22 · 24/10/2022 10:34

His friends are cunts

This is also true.

Naive as well as cunts then lol.

The description of his mate's behaviour at the start gave a good picture anyway. He sounds like a wanker.

FurnitureDisease · 24/10/2022 10:46

I’ve been where you are OP, and agree with PPs.

The best thing you can do is forget his pathetic self and move on.

Live your life for you.

I never thought I’d escape my one of these, but one day it just hit me and I never looked back.

Im now married to a wonderful man with a family. These things I never thought I’d have, or that such a man existed.

You could travel, do whatever things you’ve always wanted to do.

You deserve so much better.

Plus ultimately, even if you never see it, it WILL piss him off immeasurably that you go on to have a great and fulfilled life without him.

People like that never change and are never happy because they are lacking something deep within them.

In the bin 🗑

Off you go OP and be happy. You got this xx

Begoniasforever · 24/10/2022 10:47

8I’m holding it together and I don’t want to confront him yet*

is it due to money you don’t want to confront him,?

LemonDrop22 · 24/10/2022 10:49

No matter what you say he'll counter it with more lies and excuses.

He's set up his narrative for years.

It's a war you can't win.

Take a leaf out of the US in Vietnam's experience and don't go there in the first place.

And people don't really give a fuck anyway. They just want to get on with their lives and gave a good time socially.
Inconvenient truths will be minimised and swept aside.

Do you not have any separate, independent mates of your own?

LemonDrop22 · 24/10/2022 10:51

Not caring and moving on is the best revenge you can have.

Remember the opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference.

WizardOfAus · 24/10/2022 10:51

I would just pack up your shit and get the fuck out.
Don't give him an explanation.
Block him.
Run as far as you can & never look back.

alwayslemons · 24/10/2022 10:55

No - I’ve been back in work for over a year now and have recently been looking for a better job (I took a not so great one after the pandemic out of desperation).

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Annabananna1 · 24/10/2022 10:55

The ex girlfriend of my H's friend was cheated on. He also shared her naked pictures with his mates. He made her feel like she was going insane, with gaslighting and deception. He made everyone think she was a nutter. I thought she was, I fell for it and there were times I only invited him over to ours because she was know to be crazy.

Well looking back she was absolutely not the problem. He kept lying to her and cheating. She found a load of filth he'd sent to his OW, a bunch of stuff sent to his friends about going to strip clubs and her being awful, and did a big thing on insta / FB with the evidence.
I read all of it and sent her a message of sympathy, support and apology. He'd been an utter shit to her and why shouldn't she let everyone know. She had a lot of support it seemed.

No one could blame her. And I probably would have been too scared to do that. But actually why should she have let him get away with it. All she did was expose what he'd been saying and doing.

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