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Gaslighting, cheating BF. What do I do?!

145 replies

alwayslemons · 24/10/2022 08:53

Right, here goes.

Bf has been weird for the past few months. Distant and a bit checked out. Sometimes it really seemed like he didn’t like me anymore. He stopped inviting me to events with his friends, and the last one I went to (a bbq in the summer) his best mate was really odd with me. Went from proper ribbing (he’s the kind of guy who reserves the worst insults for his closest friends) to being all smiley and polite like I was a stranger.

A few weeks ago I found out bf was doing drugs, when previously he was very anti them. He lied about it to my face. Made me suddenly think - well what else has he been lying about? So I checked his phone.

Turns out he’s been cheating on me with multiple women. Summer 2021 it was with a girl in his friendship group. Then some random girls who it looks like he met online or on nights out. One night stands mostly. Then this year he had a longer fling with a girl he knows through work, and then most recently an American friend of a friend. The American one he’s been saying he loves and wants to be only with her. The work girl is a staunch Catholic who he got pregnant and pressured into having an abortion only in the last couple of weeks.

To all of them, and all of his friends, he’s been lying about me saying the most upsetting things. They all know about the American and they’re all “really happy” for him. He’s been saying I’m a gold digger and have been abusive, and that I’ve refused to have sex with him for years. We went on holiday not long ago and he told them all that we had separate hotel rooms, that I picked fights with him, and that we spent the holidays entirely apart. Utter, utter nonsense. I couldn’t believe what I was reading (although it does explain why he would only take selfies while we were away and not let me take any pics with him).

He told them he broke up with me straight after the holiday, that we’ve been sleeping in separate bedrooms since, and that the only reason he hasn’t made me leave yet is because he cares for me too much. One of his female friends in particular keeps saying “kick the gold digging b*tch out haha”

So they all think I’m this evil witch and so have actively applauded his cheating (although I think they only know about the American, not the pregnant girl).

I feel sick and I don’t know what to do. Obviously I’m outta here as soon as I can afford to get a flat but I’m utterly winded that he’s managed to make all his friends (and possibly family too??) think that I’m the bad guy in this.

He has cheated before - we broke up for 18 months 6 years ago when I found out he’d been on Tinder and and was sleeping around when he went for work trips. He has always denied it despite me seeing all the messages. So yes, I feel really stupid for getting back with him and believing he’d changed. From what I’ve read I think his friends don’t know about that either and think I was just being fickle or something when I ended it back then.

I’m holding it together and I don’t want to confront him yet. I want to make him pay.

He’s so innocent looking and a real life-of-the-party type; he knows how to make people like him (my mum LOVES him and begged me to take him back after he cheated because she was sure there must’ve been some mistake - “he would never do such a thing”). When he first cheated it felt so bizarre because I trusted him so completely that it never occurred to me that he might do that. It never occurred to me to be jealous, ever. He’s really good at playing the innocent and pretending to be someone he’s not.

I want all his friends, his various girlfriends, and his family, to know he’s a lying cheating gaslighting scumbag. I’m not usually a vengeful person, but this is a different level.

What the f* do I do?

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altmember · 24/10/2022 16:54

Revenge is a dish best served cold. Do not make any rash moves at this point. Don't let him have a clue that you've found him out, or that anything is wrong (obviously find a believable excuse to stop sleeping with him, if that's still happening).

Start getting your stuff together in a way that he won't notice. You should be able to find and join a house share within a couple of weeks, don't make excuses to hang around for another month. Then go, move out swiftly and suddenly, when he's out at work or something. Do not tell him anything, give him any explanation, just go.

As others have said, whatever you try and do by telling his friends, they will still side with him unfortunately, and it's likely to back fire on you. The only thing I would do is take evidence of the getting the other girl pregnant and pushing her into an abortion, and then send that to the American girl that he's claiming to be in love with. As least give her a heads up on what he's like, up to her if she choses to believe you or not. Try and make sure the evidence you have is concrete and irrefutable, because he's a slipper fucker who will try and lie his way out of it.

ItsaMetalBand · 24/10/2022 17:07

Ah. I was the 'crazy controlling' girlfriend once. Me being heartbroken at the break up and he would text me to ring him at work or at a certain time to talk. When I did, I think he was pointing to his phone that I was his crazy stalker ex who wouldn't leave him alone for the benefit of his audience.

And I didn't know it, but he had all his friends, work colleagues and most of mine also primed that I was mentally unhinged and he was the poor downtrodden abused partner. I almost believed I was abusive myself! (I'm not and never have been obviously!)

So my advice - to lend it to you from my own experience: He can't spin silence. If you don't say a word, do a daytime flit, with all your stuff, photograph every bit of your house, block him and just get the hell away, there's not much he can say other than 'she left" and the only lie he can get away with is that you trashed his home - and you'll have photos to prove you didn't.

He was so arrogant, he hated it when I realised his game and cut him off. I wasn't supposed to do that. I wasn't supposed to think "fuck him" and stop running after him. I was supposed to pine and go crazy and do crazy revenge things to him so he could bleat to his friends about how terrible I was.

Within a year, my ex had pulled the same stunt on the next woman. His mates began to see a pattern. His lies about me stalking him fell flat, I never spoke to anyone about him other than if they mentioned him and my supposed crazyness, I'd just reply with a wry smile that the girlfriend before me, was also crazy. And the one before that...

If you give in to your revenge (and I totally fantasised about it for months!) you will only be handing him your dignity on a plate and he will LOVE that. So for that reason alone - don't do it!

Taxistaxing · 24/10/2022 17:20

Do you rent together or does he have a mortgage? If he has a mortgage and you have been paying towards bills etc, I would threaten to take him to court like the gold digger you are to get a share of the equity from the past X years...unless he wishes to contribute to you moving out eg rent/deposit etc

Notaboutthebass · 24/10/2022 17:22

I think leaving without a word or explanation and blocking would be enough revenge but if you really wanted revenge, a whatsapp group message to all revealing all the nasty stuff he's said about you and the cheating, or a Big fuck of Facebook post for all to see.
Get what you need for a few days to enable you to stay at a friends whilst looking for a cheap place. Go back for other stuff while he's at work. What a prick. 💐

LemonDrop22 · 24/10/2022 17:57

He can't spin silence.

One of the wisest sentences on this thread.

LemonDrop22 · 24/10/2022 18:21

MrMrsJones · 24/10/2022 15:06

WhatsApp group with them all in.

Post all the messages and pictures of his cheating

Then leave him.

The thing is he's convinced them they sleep in separate rooms, weren't really on holiday "together", he's only letting her stay because he's such a good person and first want to make her homeless, she's controlling, she's a bitch etc..

..... So they won't see it as true cheating.

He won't be criticised for it.

He's done the classic cheater narrative "living in the sane home but not really together" on everyone they know.

Panama2 · 24/10/2022 18:22

As everyone else has said get evidence but don’t waste your time trying to get revenge. If you have been with him for ten years then you have known his friends form that length of time and yet they believe you are crazy and abusive?

make plans to leave and get out,. Take care

alwayslemons · 25/10/2022 15:25

Tiny victory:

He just posted several lots of photos on Instagram of our recent holiday. Selfies, views, food - but of course none of me.

So I commented underneath them, things like:

”Haha I can’t believe you didn’t include the one of that mad cocktail served in a shoe”

“World’s cutest hotel but omg that room was so small 🙈 (it’s lucky I like you 😜)”

”Ok this pic is making me wish I’d stolen more of that bacon from your plate!!”

Things that tell anyone reading them that I was with him, staying in his room, hanging out with him and having fun. Shared jokes and memories.

He just came next door and asked me to delete them. Of course he did. I played dumb. Said vaguely that I would later. Two minutes pass and he comes in and get upset this time, demanding I delete the comments. “I don’t post under your pictures! It’s so cheesy and embarrassing!”

Why are you being so weird about my innocent Instagram comments…? So strange. I can’t fathom what the reason must be 😇

I hope all his friends, and his new American girlfriend, see them before he figures out how to remove them himself.

Hahahahaha, 1-0 to me 🙃

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rainbowstardrops · 25/10/2022 15:31

Hahahaha!!!! He's thick as shit!

iamjustwinginglife · 25/10/2022 15:49

alwayslemons · 25/10/2022 15:25

Tiny victory:

He just posted several lots of photos on Instagram of our recent holiday. Selfies, views, food - but of course none of me.

So I commented underneath them, things like:

”Haha I can’t believe you didn’t include the one of that mad cocktail served in a shoe”

“World’s cutest hotel but omg that room was so small 🙈 (it’s lucky I like you 😜)”

”Ok this pic is making me wish I’d stolen more of that bacon from your plate!!”

Things that tell anyone reading them that I was with him, staying in his room, hanging out with him and having fun. Shared jokes and memories.

He just came next door and asked me to delete them. Of course he did. I played dumb. Said vaguely that I would later. Two minutes pass and he comes in and get upset this time, demanding I delete the comments. “I don’t post under your pictures! It’s so cheesy and embarrassing!”

Why are you being so weird about my innocent Instagram comments…? So strange. I can’t fathom what the reason must be 😇

I hope all his friends, and his new American girlfriend, see them before he figures out how to remove them himself.

Hahahahaha, 1-0 to me 🙃

Well done you! Excellent move. His reaction certainly speaks volumes too. Take care...but get the fuck out!!

Datgal · 25/10/2022 15:53

Wishing you luck. Never been gaslighted like that. But I've just been thinking about it and you have to be a some sort of grade A cunt to do something like that! Cruel as well. You'll be well rid, cos that's not normal.

femfemlicious · 25/10/2022 15:55

I hope you have screen shots of everything. Send it to everyone and leave him for good!

girlmom21 · 25/10/2022 16:00

Ask if he's as obvious as to tell you to delete them!!!

Iknowbutwhatcanido · 25/10/2022 16:07

Haha brilliant. Glad you're in good spirits given the situation you're in. Keep your head up high. Routing for a better future for you

Name99 · 25/10/2022 16:13

Have you ended it with him yet?

hugefanofcheese · 25/10/2022 16:15

What a bastard.

I would not bother trying to share your side with his/ mutual friends. A) he's got in there long, long before you and they probably won't believe you B) fuck them, they're not your friends. If they were, they wouldn't have let you live like this in the dark or let him assassinate your character unquestioned C) keep your dignity.

If you can get some copies of messages to head your mum off at the pass, great. If not, honestly this isn't the issue here. Don't worry too much about who believes you. He's an accomplished liar who is enjoying this weird narrative he's created. There's no point trying to reason with this or ask why didn't he just leave if he wasn't happy.

Can you arrange a room in due course and get your stuff out all in one go, some into storage if need be? Even if you end up with boxes stacked up in the room for a bit that's better than prolonging things and having to go back. Don't give him a screaming row if you can. Just leave quietly. He would love nothing more than a confrontation where he can quote all of the terrible things you've said to him to his mates.

MzHz · 25/10/2022 16:15

oh now you know you have hit a nerve @alwayslemons fucking go for it! post some shit like "awww this photo reminds me so much of what we did that day... love you to the moon and back" and lay it on mega thick :D

beastlyslumber · 25/10/2022 16:15

Why do you think he hasn't ended the relationship with you, OP? What is it that he gets from you or do you think he just likes having someone to walk over? I would honestly make a move out of there soon because if you are causing him trouble he will ditch you and I don't think he's going to let you have anything on your own terms.

hugefanofcheese · 25/10/2022 16:19

Re the insta posts. You've got under his skin, fine. But I'd leave it now. You know the truth and sorry to say but you're not in a strong position where you can just leave instantly. No need to poke the bear. He sounds twisted, it's better that he's in the dark about your knowledge and plans.

Jewel7 · 25/10/2022 16:24

His friends may already suspect what he is like. He will soon show his true colours to his new gf. Photo everything. Show your friends. Let them support you. Walk away and think what a lucky escape! His friends don’t matter to you anymore.

ThingsIhavelearnt · 25/10/2022 16:27

You want revenge. Here it is.

do all this with no warning and no communication to him or his friends…..

Collect any photographic evidence you need.

Go to the post office and redirect all your post.
Take all your stuff including any in the loft, shed etc and move out whilst he is out. Hire a van put it all in someone’s garage etc.

change all the passwords to a password of your choice.

move in with any friend who will let you stand at theirs for 6 weeks .

do not contact him ever ever again block him on everything.

if he gives you any shit - put all the evidence into a pdf file and without emotion

write

  1. ex cheated on me 18 months with y and I was persuaded to take him back
  2. he has accused me of being a gold digger nothing can be further from the truth - see attached I paid 50/50 despite being in a job paying £ z pounds and him being in a job that cost £ pounds
  3. he has called me names including these
  4. he has abused me in the following ways
  5. he does this to me
  6. I finished it and moved out and was prepared to leave it there as I don’t want anything to do with him, his gaslighting, his DARVO techniques etc but here is the contact he has made …. cut and paste

if you see him please tell him to stay the hell away from me. Like a lot of abused women he had eroded my self esteem and like a frog in water so slowly raised the heat that I didn’t know I was trapped in an abusive relationship.

I really want nothing to do with him.

I have grown a backbone and the small about it self esteem he left me with - is wanting to be left alone by all of you.
yours me

cosmicbabe · 25/10/2022 18:03

I would have tagged you both in a picture under the comments!!!

alwayslemons · 25/10/2022 18:06

Update:

He deleted one of them. Not all (at least not yet) but the one that unequivocally proved that we spent time together. I hope she saw it.

I’m amazed at how calm I’m able to be around him at the moment. My heart is pounding like you wouldn’t believe and frankly I’m worried about my cortisol levels but I think I come across pretty normal, somehow.

Anyone know a good place to look for houseshares in London? I’ve found some Facebook groups, but every post has like 60 responses. It’s expensive and competitive.

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Iknowbutwhatcanido · 25/10/2022 20:10

Like others have said I wouldn't do anything that could make him do something like kick you out right now.
I'm sure that girl would have seen it though if it was up awhile and they in that honey period of talking non stop. Ugh he's gross

Hold your nerve and keep trying to find somewhere.

Fingers crossed something comes up x

hugefanofcheese · 26/10/2022 00:20

Try gumtree, rightmove, spareroom.