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November 2022 - well we took you to Stately Homes

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 21/10/2022 17:16

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MonkeyfromManchester · 30/10/2022 13:29

Jesus H Christ. The Hag. Partner’s ‘mother’.
I’m sure she’s triggered the beginnings of a migraine.
Phone call this morning on Mr Monkey’s mobile.
He’s in the shower.
Once upon a time I would have dashed to answer, but after dealing with nearly three years of her fuckery including 10 weeks of the Fucking see you next Tuesday staying here at different times due to Covid, flat repairs and broken arm, I’ve seen her for what she is, namely a
vile coercive Narc. NEVER AGAIN.

MM does some stuff - he no longer jumps to attention - then he rings her.
Cue interesting mix of hysteria, passive aggressive BS and guilt tripping.
“Where have you been?”
“In the shower”
“I rang you twice yesterday”
“I was out with friends”

“What if something happened to you and you were in hospital”

(I fail to see if this is relevant.)
“Monkey would let you know”
(Actually, this would be difficult as I’ve blocked her on my phone and deleted her number.
And I couldn’t bear the whole drama of it.)
“What if something had happened to me?”
“That’s what you’ve got your alarm pendant for.”

This is all about control.

When I was away in Paris earlier this year, she fell out of her chair where she sleeps as she no longer uses her bed. FFS. And rather than using her alarm, she called Mr Monkey. Looking back I wonder whether this was a ruse to wangle herself back into our home as she’s that calculating.
That didn’t happen as MM agrees with me that her staying here EVER AGAIN is not possible.

I fucking hate her and just want her dead.

mumbadger · 30/10/2022 17:30

Really struggling with situation with family atm. Posted way back about beinh low contact, getting parcels and things with notes in left at the door guilt trips etc. They own the house I live in with my young kids, moving here was supposed to be temporary when my ex husband was really mentally unwell and unable to work. Alot of guilt tripping about that, so I felt I had no choice at the time but to move here. (It was the last thing I wanted to do trust me, ive been desperate to be away from controlling family all my adult life!). Every now and again i get an angry voicemail from one family member who I dont talk to, saying he has noticed i have/ havent done something with the back garden or asking whose car is parked in the parking space behind the house. Comments to show he has been by the property (not visible from the street so he could only have made his observations by going around the back etc). I get lots of 'we just happened to be passing by ' where they turn up at the door. They've let themselves in in the past. It seems to be getting worse again lately and I blew up at my mum turning up the other day. She absolutely denies the actions of others in the family and says I'm 'twisting' things or am just being plain unreasonable and ignoring the fact they love me and want to see the grandchildren. I actually feel like I'm losing my mind here! . I've felt unable to move due to my financial situation (ex doesnt really pay maintainance) and trying to keep stability for my kids through some really rocky years with covid etc. But I'm simply not coping with this any more and each time they doorstep me, call or send messages I'm in bits. I have to extract myself and my kids from this (who i have tried so hard to shield from it all, they seldom see grandparents and only in public spaces to reduce likelihood of my dad kickinh off in front of them). Stately homes people how the eff do i extract myself from this almighty mess as low contact doesnt work here?!

thenewduchessoflapland · 30/10/2022 19:41

I've posted in stately homes before;a quick summary of my situation is that my DF was abusive;I left home at 18 because of it and he has been a shitty dad and grandad;basically he's made no effort.He seems however to have all the time in the world to play "dad" to my mentally unstable petty cousin who likes to post crap on SM about how "wonderful" DF is.This is triggering.

His abuse has left its mark on me as an adult,I've been referred to my city's mental health outpatients clinic by my GP to look into CPTSD.It took 20 years after I left home to tell my DH thé full extent of the abuse I suffered.He was horrified.

This afternoon I made a decision;so I did it.I went to my parents house and confronted my dad about the abuse;I felt sick but I did it;he DARVO'd,did lots of hand wringing,played the martyr,cried and came out with "why are you doing this" and "look what you're doing to your mother".

I stood my ground firmly;I told him "this is what you did","this is how it affected me","this is how it continues to affect me" and "this is the impact it's had on my family".

I told him that the abuse wasn't my fault,he was the adult and I was a child,he had a duty to protect me and he failed,there was no excuse for what he did and he needed to acknowledge the abuse and he needed to apologise for it.I took no nonsense from him.There's a post on one of these threads on how to handle confronting an abuser and how to respond to the things they might say/do which was enormously helpful with today's confrontation.

At present I don't know how I feel;it's a hell of lot to process but I don't regret it at the moment and I hope that I won't;I'm trying to be brave.

Thelnebriati · 02/11/2022 00:05

Quick bump.

feistymumma · 02/11/2022 07:36

Parishcouncil · 25/10/2022 13:24

Update from my last post and it’s not at all what I expected or hoped for, but should have known. Idiot me.

Turns out my aunt who claimed for my 47 years of existing that she would always support me, now isn’t. The only member of my FOO who I finally found the strength to open up to, has (I think?) gaslit me.

Despite her hundreds of occasions where she has told me her suspicions of her brothers misogynistic narcissistic traits of controlling my mother and seeing the disparity in difference of treatment between me & my brother, I stupidly asked if I could confide in her and she said yes. Idiotically I took this to mean she would have my back….but now, seemingly, it doesn’t.

2 months on from sending the 5 pages of bulletpointed traumatic incidents I went through, the first time I heard from her was asking what she could get my daughter for her birthday.

Absolutely no acknowledgment of anything I had told her, no recognition. I asked her if she got it to which she said yes. I asked why she hadn’t even texted a basic’Hope you’re ok’ that didn’t need to go onto anything heavy & she threw it at me that if she didn’t necessarily want to reply, she didn’t have to. I’m just so so sad because she has spent her life moaning about him, she said I’m like her little sister, she did to me exactly what they have done since the day I was born which was ignore me, push me away, not hear me, shut down my feelings when they said they’d listen.

If I had received information like this, hell, I would have called, or messaged or sent a card or something?

So now I’ve told her that I don’t feel comfortable in accepting a gift.

I guess it’s right….”no-one nurtures the scapegoat”?

Did I set my expectations too high? Did she gaslight me? I’m all over the place with this now. The one person. The only person.

So sorry you had to go through this. Same thing happened with my mum whom I have now gone completely nc with. Wrote to her and noted a number of traumatic incidents and how she was emotionally and physically absent as I was growing up. No acknowledgment whatsoever apart from giving me false details about who my father is. This was two months ago. She has now been playing the victim to her siblings about how awful feistymumma was to her. It's pretty sad that I wasted so much of my life trying to please her and to be a good daughter and not to address all these things as I was worried how she would take it. Turns out I was the fool as she doesn't give a f at all.

For someone with just one child, simply shocking how one can be so cold and mean.

feistymumma · 02/11/2022 07:45

Ydkiml · 26/10/2022 09:18

Going nc is not evil at all . It’s brave of you and I’m pleased you couldn’t give a flying fuck and have removed yourself emotionally from the shit . However, it’s different for everyone. I would remove myself if my mother had someone else , like your mother had in your sister and brother in law . If I removed myself , she would literally have not one other person and that’s what makes it very hard . So I feel my case is different to yours . Everyone’s case is different.

You are still caught up in guilt. My mother only really had me who actually cared about her. When I wrote to her and how she didn't care at all about what I had written I saw her for who she truly is. After not responding apart from info about my dad she sent me a random text from nowhere telling me she was going on holiday the next day. No how are you or anything just that. I was in my messaging app and could see she was typing something and the anxiety I experienced was so intense that I decided to block her. She was then messaging my children. For my own peace of mind the nc was the best way forward

Hardpillow · 02/11/2022 11:06

Hi all,I've previously posted under a different user name but haven't posted in quite a while. I'm still reading the thread though.

Previously I've had some really great advice and I'm hoping go get some more please?

I've been nc with my mum for about a year.

Anyway, yesterday I got a txt out of the blue asking if I was ready to talk or go fir a coffee. I've read the text on my phones dropdown notification so it doesn't show as being read. It's floored me. I want to reply but know its gonna be more of the same only worse because of the grief I'll get about being nc and ofcourse ill have to apologise and make up for it in a million ways.

I can't help but think tho that shemust be hurt, I'd be devastated if my dc went nc with me. I feel incredibly guilty again just when I was starting to feel a bit better. Has anyone gone nc and it not been the right thing to do or regretted it?

I don't think I can have a relationship in the way I want with her at all, I've tried talking to her many times before but she never understands what I'm feeling, it'd be very inconvenient if she did as she'd have to take some responsibility.

Has anyone salvaged anything that works on a basic level without being scared of getting back into all the old ways?

Sicario · 02/11/2022 12:16

@Hardpillow I think you can tell a lot from your reaction to receiving the message. How did it make you feel? Did it fill you with dread at the thought of seeing her and getting sucked back into the same dynamics?

Her question "are you ready to talk" seems to put the blame squarely with you that you have not spoken. She could just as easily have sent you a message which acknowledges she has upset you. Either way, you said that she refuses to take any responsibility for her actions, and indeed your reactions.

I don't know what the answer is, but I learned to listen to my gut. I couldn't bear to be around any of my FOO any longer. They brought me nothing but trouble and heartache.

Hardpillow · 03/11/2022 10:34

@Sicario thank you, you are right and what you wrote has been circling my mind. She could have text with anything else and it did fill me with complete dread.

I just wish things were different. My dh thinks I'm doing the right thing not replying or opening the message.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/11/2022 10:49

Hard Pillow

You need to remain no contact with your mother

Your mother is hoovering; a tactic so beloved of such disordered of thinking people to draw their now adult child back into their dysfunctional world. What your mother wants from you is a response; that to her is the reward. She is not interested in hearing your side of things at all and wants to use this meet up as another way of punishing you for having the gall in her eyes of walking away.

You are not your mother and you are completely separate from her. She is also not hurt at you walking away from being abused, she is absolutely pissed off and annoyed with you that you decided to do that. She needs her scapegoat and or whipping boy. Toxic people like your mother never apologise nor accept any responsibility for their actions.

BTW is your dad still in your life?. I ask only as he is not mentioned.

Unlike your mother also, you are not abusive and have an emotionally healthy relationship with your own children. You also have two qualities your mother entirely lacks; empathy and insight. Re the relationship with your mother also, you will need to grieve for the relationship you should have had rather than the one you actually got.

I would further block your mother's number from both your landline and your phone. If she sends anything through the mail dispose of it via the shredder or charity shop. Do not return anything to her because that is also a response and in any event radio silence from you must be maintained.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/11/2022 10:53

Hard Pillow

Determine why you feel guilty. Be sure you understand why you’re feeling guilty. What did you do wrong? Did you really do anything wrong? Avoid feeling guilty for things outside of your control like your mother. You are only responsible for your own self, not her in any way.

Once you forgive yourself, the guilt is gone. If you actually did something that warrants guilt, try putting yourself in the other person’s shoes. Imagine that the error you made happened to you. You’d probably forgive the other person without too much fuss. You should treat yourself at least as well! Notice how much easier it is for you to forgive someone else than it is to forgive yourself. You should be the best friend you’ll ever have. Treat yourself like it.

At some point, you have to let it go and get on with your life. There’s no value in holding on to guilt. Guilty feelings suggest that you did something wrong and need to learn from it. Your mother continues to manipulate you even now as an adult; you need to see her manipulation for what it really is and release the guilt. The guilt isn’t healthy and it is keeping you stuck! Now it’s time to set yourself free. Allow yourself to move forward from your guilt.

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wayfarer46 · 03/11/2022 13:52

Hello all, this is my first visit to this thread. I just went NC with my parents. I grew up undiagnosed autistic which was hard enough. My parents are ultra-religious (like almost cult level) My 12yo just came out as LGBTQ+ (I am too, but not out to my parents) thinking of my parents treating him anything like they treated me as a kid helped prompt me to go nc.

This is the letter I sent them yesterday. I'm curious as to others thoughts on it. I'm 36yo, and this is the first time I'm saying most of this to them. I've been living very far away since I was 20, so only saw them 3-4 times a year for a few days until last year when I moved back to my hometown because I was scared of raising my kid by myself.

*I'm American so 7th & 8th grade is ages 12-14

Mom & Dad
When I decided to tell you about [new bf after leaving abusive H 1 year prior] , I was so hopeful. I was feeling so happy and safe and optimistic. Then I told you, and individually, you reacted with hostility. You made negative verbal assumptions and disapproving faces. My joyful news was twisted and warped. I left the house sad and frustrated.

And then I realized.
It wasn’t about [bf], it doesn’t matter who [bf] is.
No matter who I choose, you will react to me from a place of fear and judgment and not love and trust.
And it has always been this way.
After a few weeks Mom texted me, “feel free to bring [bf] to Friday Night Dinner (weekly rotating dinner held at sibs or parents house) At first, I was elated. It felt so good to be accepted and welcomed.

Except…
Then I realized, there was no acceptance, and no welcome, there was begrudging allowance at best.

I didn’t come that Friday. Previously I would have been thankful for even the most grudging attempt at connection from you, but I can no longer pretend that we have even a moderately good parent-child relationship. Because we don’t. You have no interest in knowing me or understanding me. My entire life you have spent silencing me and punishing me when I didn’t do exactly what you wanted. Even so, your immediate cessation of communication with me really jolted me. This softcore shunning really is your go-to when you aren’t getting your way. You have used it against me in the past and I’m sure would continue using it against me from time to time forever if I allowed it.
Ostracization is, admittedly, an incredibly effective behavior modification technique, because humans rely on society to survive. So, when those who are close to us and are supposed to be our support network, cast us out, it feels devastatingly distressing, because your subconscious brain knows you are terribly vulnerable without the protections of society.
Shunning is emotional abuse.

The thing I have longed for most, my entire life, is to be close to you.
To be cherished, understood, loved.
This feels like a deep, hidden confession, when really, it is the most basic need in the world. To feel safe. To feel like your parents will keep you safe.
You taught me that my needs didn’t matter, that my feelings were invalid, that I was inherently bad. You taught me that you were infallible, that I couldn’t question you, that I would be punished if I dared to have a voice. You taught me that I had less human worth than you.
You taught me to be filled with righteous judgement and condemn people who seemed “different” than us.
You taught me to hide any part of myself you might not agree with because you showed me that being myself wasn’t safe.
You taught me that if people questioned you or angered you, that violence was the tool you used to make them stop, but only if they were smaller and weaker than you. Respect was not something for children.

Maybe you didn’t mean to teach me these things, but this is what I learned from you.

You set me up to run to the first man who showed me any kind of affection and attention, and when I did, you cast me out and cut me off, abandoning me when I most needed support. You taught me that mistakes were inadmissible.

The person you call [wayfarer46] doesn’t exist. You have never cared to get to know me, so the person you picture doesn’t have a lot to do with who I actually am.

As a little kid I never knew what would get me in trouble, I felt no love or support and felt I was on my own. This has resulted in me being in hypervigilant mode basically my whole life.
Growing up, you had completely unrealistic expectations of all of us, which you framed as “high standards,” bullshit. I did insanely good in school for what I was dealing with, but it was never good enough, like there never was a “good enough.”

The day I lost [Regional Oratory Competition after winning at school level and at city level] As a ten-year-old, I got third place in regional, my first time going, I should have felt pretty good right? No, third isn’t even the first loser, it’s the second loser. And as we were walking out, me devastated and so self-conscious in a dress that was far too small, like the stitches were literally ripping at the seams. And the fact that it didn’t fit was somehow my fault. At ten I couldn’t have clothes that fit, or that I felt confident in for this regional competition, so I was on the stage, horribly aware of how disheveled I looked. Then when we walked out, me utterly devastated because I had failed so badly, we were talking about pity ice cream, and mom spotted a louse on my head. She flipped out, I never got ice cream.
I had had lice at that point for at least eight months. To me, as a mother now, this is unthinkable. And, also, just another instance of the absolute neglect I endured as a child. This is unjustifiable.
At 12 you kept me out of school, allegedly to keep me from the worldly horrors of Junior High, but in actuality, to watch six-year-old [little sis] and three-year-old [little sis] while mom finished her degree. You literally kept me out of school to nanny for you for two years when I was 12, there was nothing okay about this.

And then the narrative has always been, “oh that bad [wayfarer46,] she is so sneaky and lazy to not have taught herself 7th and 8th grade.”

The adults blaming the 12-year-old for not raising herself. Checking in on my education literally zero times in two years. That’s blatant educational neglect.
I’m not surprised by this latest shunning episode, because it is more of the same of how you have treated me my whole life.
I’m tired of being abused, so I’m checking out of this relationship.
There are plenty of people who love and accept me for who I am, not for a façade of who they have decreed I should be. I’m no longer a child and no longer vulnerable if you cast me out.
I love you.
I can’t allow you to hurt me anymore.
If you want to work on our relationship in the future, you can reach me by email. I’ll respond when I feel up to it.
[Wayfarer46]

wayfarer46 · 03/11/2022 13:56

Forgot to add, that I separately emailed the letter to my 3 siblings (who have been passively going along with the shunning of me by my parents) I did this because there is no above-board communication in my family, so I wanted them to know exactly what was said from me to our parents.

I think it is telling that it has been 24 hours since I sent the emails and neither parents nor siblings have attempted to contact me.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/11/2022 14:05

Hi Wayfarer

I would not have sent them a letter. I would have written that all down then shredded it. This is only because they are going to see your carefully worded letter only as an attack on them; it's not going to give them any insight or empathy. They know what they did and will not care nor admit to any failings on their part. They could well respond accordingly by using your words further against you as a laundry list and or further explanation for your supposed shortcomings. They are still not going to apologise nor accept any responsibility for their actions.

If you do receive a letter from them do not read it or respond to it.

No contact is precisely that; I would therefore now block ALL their ways of being able to communicate with you and your child.

You are going to have to grieve for the relationship you should have with your parents had rather than the one you actually got. That is one small part of the overall healing process from such people. Its not your fault your parents treated you this way and you did not make them that way either; that is all on them.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/11/2022 14:12

It may well turn out that one of your siblings may go on to side with you whilst the others will continue to shun and or otherwise ignore you. Alternatively they could all continue to ignore you. This is because they do not want to lose favour with their parents along with them wanting to maintain the facade of their family of origin.

If you have not already done so find a therapist to work with in your hometown. Interview such people carefully and at length before choosing any one particular person to work with.

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feistymumma · 03/11/2022 19:47

wayfarer46 · 03/11/2022 13:56

Forgot to add, that I separately emailed the letter to my 3 siblings (who have been passively going along with the shunning of me by my parents) I did this because there is no above-board communication in my family, so I wanted them to know exactly what was said from me to our parents.

I think it is telling that it has been 24 hours since I sent the emails and neither parents nor siblings have attempted to contact me.

So sorry you had to go through this. A lot of what you wrote resonated with me and also what I wrote to my mother. Two months later she still hasn't replied but has been going around acting the victim and claiming that feistymumma attacked her. I blocked her

mumbadger · 03/11/2022 22:43

Just trying to bump my post 🙈 would really appreciate some input from stately homes ppl.... Though be gentle with me its been one heck of a full on week with work and its only Thursday 😬

Escapingafter50years · 04/11/2022 01:05

@mumbadger Not a lot of advice I'm afraid, but lots of sympathy, that's a very difficult situation for you. Have you tried talking to Women's Aid?
I would think your priority is somehow to get yourself out of the house as it's owned by family, maybe Women's Aid can give you some practical suggestions.
The voicemails must be quite distressing for you, I've been there, didn't realise until recently that although someone was blocked they could still leave voicemails. I've now changed my greeting message to a generic one* with male voice although it's the same number. It seems to have caused enough confusion that I haven't received any more, perhaps give it a try?
*Mine says "the number you have called is not available, you may leave a message after the tone". A friend set it up by having her computer speak the words and recording it on my phone.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 04/11/2022 13:56

mumbadger

You are going to have to move far away and leave no forwarding address; you living in their property is untenable.

Your children are picking up on all your unhappiness stemming from your abuser parents and relatives. Trying to protect them from this dysfunction whilst you are in your parents orbit is impossible. You are also not fully emotionally available either because of the amount of headspace all these people are taking up rent free in your head.

May I ask why your ex is not paying maintenence?. That money is for his children.

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ClosedAuraOpenMind · 05/11/2022 18:17

mother is in hospital. originally taken in with heart problems which are now being controlled with medication . but in the four weeks she has been in she has completely lost her marbles. at first it was thought she may just be confused because she had a UTI, but that's cleared up and her mental state hasn't improved. but even though she can't remember where she lives or why she is in hospital she can remember my brother is the golden child. visited her the other day, only to be asked 'are you golden boy's sister'
my father died six years ago, leaving a total mess. no will, no idea if he had life insurance or not. at the time she swore she was going to sort her affairs out so we didn't have to deal with a similar situation. and of course she's not. so no power of attorney or anything. sigh sigh sigh

Hardpillow · 06/11/2022 04:53

Thank you @AttilaTheMeerkat. "BTW is your dad still in your life?. I ask only as he is not mentioned." No he passed away 8 years ago. They had divorced, my dh had a long term partner and dm remarried.

Sending love to everyone on this page.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 06/11/2022 08:11

Hard Pillow

Am sorry to read that your dad some years agoFlowers.

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DuchessOfEndor · 07/11/2022 06:42

My parents are very religious and I've recently gone lc. They don't know that I am agnostic and bisexual. Is this info I should disclose? I feel like if I tell them, they will ostracize me. But I'd rather be authentic. I don't depend on them for anything, so if they cut me off it makes no difference in my life. I'd almost rather tell them and get it all over with.

Thelnebriati · 07/11/2022 13:29

I wouldn't tell them anything personal about myself, @DuchessOfEndor

AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/11/2022 14:24

I would not tell them anything personal either. Put your parents furthermore on an information diet.

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