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Things have come to a head... 'friend' being OTT and flirting with boyfriend

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IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 05/10/2022 07:49

Yes, I have posted about this a couple of times previously. I'm feeling really shit at the moment so I'd appreciate neutral amd supportive comments rather than critical ones. Thanks.

In a nutshell, I'm in a social/hobby group of a dozen or so people. Mostly coupled up. I started seeing someone within the group and one of the 20yrs+ married women started flirting with my boyfriend. It became so OTT that it was embarrassing - other people noticed and were commenting. I stopped engaging with her other than when essential. I didn't ignore her if she spoke to me but I started avoiding being in that situation.

I spoke with my boyfriend about it. People had also commented to him about it. He didn't want to upset her by saying anything directly, even something as simple and non confrontational as, "Don't do that," and decided to just avoid her as I was/not seek out her company. He told me that he didn't know why she was doing it (but felt it was more to do with me than him as, when we'd first met, she told she was jealous of me). He said he found it weird and uncomfortable.

Anyway, it came to a bit of a head at the end of July when she asked me directly what the matter was. So I told her. I was cross about being the one who had to say something because it was nothing to do with me per se and I shouldn't have been the one who had to deal with it. She apologised to me and to him and no more was said. He didn't reply to her apology but it was definitely worded in such as way that it was intended to elicit reassurance on his part. He didn't give it.

We didn't meet up for the hobby over the summer so didn't see her again until a few weeks ago.

The first time, she ignored me, the second time she was friendly. I decided that, for the sake of the group, and so as not to be 'immature' as was suggested by some on here, that I would be amicable for everyone's sake.

However, she seemed to take this as a green light that everything was now OK, 6 weeks had passed and now it's business as usual. She hasn't been as bad and I wouldn't really describe her behaviour as flirting anymore bit she is still very tactile with him and he is now, seemingly, OK with it. I am not. I just feel I've been trampled over.

I feel betrayed by her as a friend. I feel betrayed that he has seemingly put it all behind him and he now seeks put her company for chats again. I'm sure others won't see a problem with that.

But it untenable for me. He and I had a long chat a couple of weeks ago and I said that I was strongly considering leaving the hobby over it because it was just unpleasant for me all the time - I feel disrespected and unvalued. He also told me in this conversation that he knew I would likely walk away from the relationship if I did. He was right.

The next time we were all together, and knowing this, he spent much of the evening chatting with her.

Afterwards, I told him that I would be leaving the hobby. He hasn't said anything about it either way. I have no idea what his thoughts are on it.

It's pretty much sounded the death knell for our relationship. I can't bear to be in the same room as either of them now.

He claims to have no interest in her and, by all accounts, he was in love with me for a while before we got together. He says he can't believe his luck. He tells me, and shows me, that he loves me. We spend all weekend together, we go out, he never behaves in a way that gives cause for concern other than this. He's overhauled my garden, cooks and does housework when he's here, treats me perfectly in every other respect. Talks about a future together and his actions, otherwise, seem to support this. But I just feel he doesn't respect me and has allowed the situation to continue despite knowing what the outcome will be.

I can't leave properly for another 3 weeks because we have a commitment to fulfill and I've agreed to do it. I'd be landing an awful lot of people in the shit if I pulled out now. But it's making me feel dreadful.

He says he has no interest in her but doesn't like to upset people and sees me leaving as choice rather than something he has caused/allowed to happen.

But I feel heartbroken and utterly bereft that I just don't seem to matter. I feel he has chosen being friendly with someone he claims to not even like all that much over an entire life with me.

OP posts:
countrypunk · 12/10/2022 09:22

I've been hoping for an update. I'm so pleased for you OP. This is the best outcome. Now you can both move on, together! Yes, it's a shame about the hobby, but in time maybe the two of you can start a new group.

Love wins! (I don't know where that came from - I am extremely unsentimental usually Grin)

Doggiedoodoos · 12/10/2022 09:51

Delighted he came to his senses.

Tsort · 12/10/2022 09:53

IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 12/10/2022 08:32

He said he had been an idiot and I was the most important thing to him. He hoped that, by just ignoring, would go away but he realised that by not doing anything, he'd made the situation worse.

I’m really pleased that (I think), you got the outcome you wanted. But I still don’t understand why this man STILL hasn’t just told this woman to piss off.

Theres been months of angst, rather than him just telling her to piss off.

He’s left a group to which he was fundamental, rather than just tell her to piss off.

You’ve now both lost a hobby that it sounds like you both love - rather than just tell her to piss off.

I mean, really?

burnoutbabe · 12/10/2022 10:36

it sounds as though the group will fall anyway without both OP and boyfriend

and i assume in a few months they will probably decide to do whatever it is casually with a few friends. And after a while the group starts again - but without mad woman.

Pumpkinpatchlookinggood · 12/10/2022 10:37

Usually I love a good shout off but a silent exit will have her spitting feathers.. Less attention her way won't be enough for her. But that's all she is getting! Well done op.

IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 12/10/2022 11:01

Tbh, we both do a similar thing with other groups so we're not missing out in that respect. We've also talked about setting up something of our own so...

I also agree with the quiet departure. Stops her being able to play the victim.

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CatsandFish · 12/10/2022 12:20

So are you two still together as a couple then? It sounds like he came good at the end and decided to defend your relationship. That's good. That horrible and manipulative woman needs to be called out and publicly shamed in front of everyone in the group.

IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 12/10/2022 13:01

Yes, he did.

I'm not sure calling her out will do anything but rally support for her tbh. Even when people disagree with someone or what they're doing, they do like to be seen to be nice. And she's staying - were not.

I'm not sure what I'll say if she asks me directly though.

Besides, I'm also not sure I want her to think she's driven us out. I mean, how empowering and influential is she going to find that!

OP posts:
IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 12/10/2022 13:03

They're going to try and keep going without us for now at least. Not sure how that'll work but I don't blame them for trying.

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QuietNeighbour · 12/10/2022 13:07

Interesting outcome. I’m glad for you and him that it hasn’t ruined your relationship. If similar happens in the future (with her or someone else) is he going to stand up for himself (and you) more assertively?

BadNomad · 12/10/2022 13:35

Ah that's nice. You got the grand gesture you wanted from him. You got him away from the woman he had no interest in. It's cost him his friends and group, but at least you're happy. Well done. You won. You can stop thinking about her now.

I'm not ending it as a punishment. I'm ending it because I can't trust him because of how I feel. Because there isn't really anything he can do now because the damage is done.

countrypunk · 12/10/2022 15:31

Why do you assume this man has no agency of his own, @BadNomad? OP asserted her boundaries. He was free to take them or leave them.

IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 12/10/2022 15:37

countrypunk · 12/10/2022 15:31

Why do you assume this man has no agency of his own, @BadNomad? OP asserted her boundaries. He was free to take them or leave them.

Absolutely. He made his own decision.

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BadNomad · 12/10/2022 15:47

countrypunk · 12/10/2022 15:31

Why do you assume this man has no agency of his own, @BadNomad? OP asserted her boundaries. He was free to take them or leave them.

Because he loves the OP and wants to be with her and she made it clear that she will leave him if he doesn't do what she wants. So he had no choice if he wants to be with her.

The OP said plenty of times in this thread that the relationship is over. He's ruined it. That's it. No trust. She's done. Etc. Except now that he's done what she wanted all along (i.e. cut out people for her) she's going to stay with him. Funny that.

It's very manipulative. People who have had to cut people out due to their partner's paranoia and insecurities will recognise this dance.

BadNomad · 12/10/2022 15:48

IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 12/10/2022 15:37

Absolutely. He made his own decision.

Nah. You were going to leave him because he wouldn't do what you wanted. I hope you appreciate now that he does love you and wants to be with you and stop setting him tests to prove it.

CatsandFish · 12/10/2022 15:58

BadNomad · 12/10/2022 15:47

Because he loves the OP and wants to be with her and she made it clear that she will leave him if he doesn't do what she wants. So he had no choice if he wants to be with her.

The OP said plenty of times in this thread that the relationship is over. He's ruined it. That's it. No trust. She's done. Etc. Except now that he's done what she wanted all along (i.e. cut out people for her) she's going to stay with him. Funny that.

It's very manipulative. People who have had to cut people out due to their partner's paranoia and insecurities will recognise this dance.

Wow. Your handmaiden-like victim-blaming is disgusting. Her DP wasn't defending their relationship. He was disrespecting her. OP was right to call that out. She did what any self-respecting woman would do. She put boundaries in place and demanded to be respected. Good on here. Only a manipulator would attack her for doing the right thing.

CatsandFish · 12/10/2022 16:01

BadNomad · 12/10/2022 15:48

Nah. You were going to leave him because he wouldn't do what you wanted. I hope you appreciate now that he does love you and wants to be with you and stop setting him tests to prove it.

She was going to leave him because he had no respect for her or their relationship. ANY woman (that isn't a handmaiden or doormat) would leave for that reason. So he realised he was being a disgraceful arsehole at the last minute. He shouldn't have needed to be 'tested' in the first place! He should have behaved like a decent human being.

Bonheurdupasse · 12/10/2022 16:08

Delighted for you OP.
You should block her so she can't come to you all faux innocent so she can play the victim later.

billy1966 · 12/10/2022 16:25

Too little too late IMO.

If he had an ounce of real character I think he could have sorted this out, without all the angst and drama.

OP, I think you are far too good for him.

Be careful.

IncompleteSenten · 12/10/2022 16:37

Ending a relationship because you are deeply unhappy with a behaviour or an action or inaction is absolutely fine. If someone is behaving in a way that makes you unhappy you should say I don't want this.

The other person is free to choose what to do with that information. They can say ok, fine, bye. I want to do / not do X, that's more important to me.
Or they can say ok, I want to be with you more than I want to do / not do X.

IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 12/10/2022 17:03

billy1966 · 12/10/2022 16:25

Too little too late IMO.

If he had an ounce of real character I think he could have sorted this out, without all the angst and drama.

OP, I think you are far too good for him.

Be careful.

He could and he realises that. Everything else is pretty much perfect and so, given he's done this, I want to give it a chance.

I'm not an idiot and I'll be aware of anything like it happening again.

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IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 12/10/2022 17:06

BadNomad · 12/10/2022 15:48

Nah. You were going to leave him because he wouldn't do what you wanted. I hope you appreciate now that he does love you and wants to be with you and stop setting him tests to prove it.

It wasn't what I wanted him to do. I wanted him to shut it down, which he could have done months ago avoiding all of the difficulties.

I didn't know he was going to leave. He'd done it before he told me. Probably because he knew that that wasn't what I wanted.

What do you think I should have done? put up with a situation that made me unhappy and him uncomfortable because he loves me? Seriously?

H wouldn't have left if he hadn't wanted to.

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CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 12/10/2022 17:16

Well, at last he does the right thing! Better late than never!

I really admire you for knowing what was making you uncomfortable and putting a boundary in place. I thought you were so strong to be willing to walk away - I'd like to think I'd have done the same.

I hope you can now enter a second phase of your relationship without this parallel thing playing alongside. Best wishes, OP.

wordler · 14/10/2022 16:37

Well looks like it's sorted now. The only thing I would have done differently is have told your DP what you wanted him to do to shut the behaviour down because I don't think a lot of men know what to do in that situation, when they don't want to either walk completely away and don't want to risk drama or an unpleasant scene.

LieInsAreExtinct · 14/10/2022 16:49

I feel for you OP. Have recently ended a mostly happy 8 year non cohabiting relationship with a man who was great in so many ways, loved me, did loads of things for me, but when it came down to it, DID NOT RESPECT MY BOUNDARIES. I don't mean in a sinister way, just certain behaviour I had asked him to stop; he couldn't really see the problem so he carried on, in the end I had to call time. This is basically the same situation you seem to be in.
If you are able to talk about it then maybe you can still resolve it. It's up to you if you think it might be worthwhile or not.