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Things have come to a head... 'friend' being OTT and flirting with boyfriend

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IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 05/10/2022 07:49

Yes, I have posted about this a couple of times previously. I'm feeling really shit at the moment so I'd appreciate neutral amd supportive comments rather than critical ones. Thanks.

In a nutshell, I'm in a social/hobby group of a dozen or so people. Mostly coupled up. I started seeing someone within the group and one of the 20yrs+ married women started flirting with my boyfriend. It became so OTT that it was embarrassing - other people noticed and were commenting. I stopped engaging with her other than when essential. I didn't ignore her if she spoke to me but I started avoiding being in that situation.

I spoke with my boyfriend about it. People had also commented to him about it. He didn't want to upset her by saying anything directly, even something as simple and non confrontational as, "Don't do that," and decided to just avoid her as I was/not seek out her company. He told me that he didn't know why she was doing it (but felt it was more to do with me than him as, when we'd first met, she told she was jealous of me). He said he found it weird and uncomfortable.

Anyway, it came to a bit of a head at the end of July when she asked me directly what the matter was. So I told her. I was cross about being the one who had to say something because it was nothing to do with me per se and I shouldn't have been the one who had to deal with it. She apologised to me and to him and no more was said. He didn't reply to her apology but it was definitely worded in such as way that it was intended to elicit reassurance on his part. He didn't give it.

We didn't meet up for the hobby over the summer so didn't see her again until a few weeks ago.

The first time, she ignored me, the second time she was friendly. I decided that, for the sake of the group, and so as not to be 'immature' as was suggested by some on here, that I would be amicable for everyone's sake.

However, she seemed to take this as a green light that everything was now OK, 6 weeks had passed and now it's business as usual. She hasn't been as bad and I wouldn't really describe her behaviour as flirting anymore bit she is still very tactile with him and he is now, seemingly, OK with it. I am not. I just feel I've been trampled over.

I feel betrayed by her as a friend. I feel betrayed that he has seemingly put it all behind him and he now seeks put her company for chats again. I'm sure others won't see a problem with that.

But it untenable for me. He and I had a long chat a couple of weeks ago and I said that I was strongly considering leaving the hobby over it because it was just unpleasant for me all the time - I feel disrespected and unvalued. He also told me in this conversation that he knew I would likely walk away from the relationship if I did. He was right.

The next time we were all together, and knowing this, he spent much of the evening chatting with her.

Afterwards, I told him that I would be leaving the hobby. He hasn't said anything about it either way. I have no idea what his thoughts are on it.

It's pretty much sounded the death knell for our relationship. I can't bear to be in the same room as either of them now.

He claims to have no interest in her and, by all accounts, he was in love with me for a while before we got together. He says he can't believe his luck. He tells me, and shows me, that he loves me. We spend all weekend together, we go out, he never behaves in a way that gives cause for concern other than this. He's overhauled my garden, cooks and does housework when he's here, treats me perfectly in every other respect. Talks about a future together and his actions, otherwise, seem to support this. But I just feel he doesn't respect me and has allowed the situation to continue despite knowing what the outcome will be.

I can't leave properly for another 3 weeks because we have a commitment to fulfill and I've agreed to do it. I'd be landing an awful lot of people in the shit if I pulled out now. But it's making me feel dreadful.

He says he has no interest in her but doesn't like to upset people and sees me leaving as choice rather than something he has caused/allowed to happen.

But I feel heartbroken and utterly bereft that I just don't seem to matter. I feel he has chosen being friendly with someone he claims to not even like all that much over an entire life with me.

OP posts:
HeythereDelilah101 · 06/10/2022 20:50

Won’t Upset her but will upset you… not good! I think you’re right to end the relationship over it.

IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 06/10/2022 20:51

Wretched is exactly how I feel.

I worked late this evening and have only been home for an hour. There is one person in the hobby who I feel I ought to tell personally.

He's the one who started it up with my boyfriend. He's not really 'in charge' but it kind of feels to everyone as though he is. I feel I owe him an explanation because he gave me a lot of support and encouragement when I first joined and my self confidence wasn't quite where it might have been. I wouldn't have done any of it if it weren't for him and I just want to thank him for that.

I messaged him asking if we could meet over the weekend because there's something I wanted to talk to him about. He replied just saying he was in the pub with my boyfriend now.

So I'm guessing he already knows.

OP posts:
BigFatLiar · 06/10/2022 20:51

I just know that I wouldn't ever be able to get past this.

Then try and put it behind you and move on. Don't think about it, it's on the past. If relationships seem to be problematic just put the idea to the side and get on with doing things you enjoy. We have a number of single never married friends who are quire happy with their lives (ok they're male and now elderly but they're fine).

Youaremysunshine14 · 06/10/2022 20:54

IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 06/10/2022 20:51

Wretched is exactly how I feel.

I worked late this evening and have only been home for an hour. There is one person in the hobby who I feel I ought to tell personally.

He's the one who started it up with my boyfriend. He's not really 'in charge' but it kind of feels to everyone as though he is. I feel I owe him an explanation because he gave me a lot of support and encouragement when I first joined and my self confidence wasn't quite where it might have been. I wouldn't have done any of it if it weren't for him and I just want to thank him for that.

I messaged him asking if we could meet over the weekend because there's something I wanted to talk to him about. He replied just saying he was in the pub with my boyfriend now.

So I'm guessing he already knows.

I hope the friend asks the other woman and your ex to leave so you can stay in the hobby!

LuckyLil · 06/10/2022 20:55

I'm sure the reality will be sinking in with him now. You don't deserve this unpleasantness from her and you're not being the least bit unreasonable to expect at least some loyalty from him. Just because this o e wasn't right for you doesn't mean nobody else will be x

IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 06/10/2022 21:03

Youaremysunshine14 · 06/10/2022 20:47

How has he taken the news that it's really over? Have you spoken to him tonight?

I haven't told him yet. I've not long got home from work and he's out with a friend at the moment. I suspect he's telling him it all. Which I suspect means he knows.

The guy he's out with is the one this woman was all over before she started on my bf.

OP posts:
IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 06/10/2022 21:09

Just because this o e wasn't right for you doesn't mean nobody else will be

I like your optimism but I'm 48 and I've never had a relationship that reached a year yet. I haven't got the time, inclination or patience for bothering again. I just don't think I'd take the chance again.

And I'm OK with that too.

OP posts:
Youaremysunshine14 · 06/10/2022 21:11

IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 06/10/2022 21:03

I haven't told him yet. I've not long got home from work and he's out with a friend at the moment. I suspect he's telling him it all. Which I suspect means he knows.

The guy he's out with is the one this woman was all over before she started on my bf.

Oh wow. How did the friend handle it?

IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 06/10/2022 21:17

Youaremysunshine14 · 06/10/2022 21:11

Oh wow. How did the friend handle it?

He just kind of laughed it off. Didn't reciprocate. Occasionally, jokingly responded. But didn't flirt back. Tbh, I thought he did like her but, apparently, they just used to take the piss a bit.

It was this guy who approached bf and lightheartedly said said he thought he'd lost his admirer because she was after him now.

OP posts:
LuckyLil · 06/10/2022 21:20

I almost want to go to the hobby for you and have it out with the rancid old trout myself. She sounds like utter poison.

MsDogLady · 06/10/2022 21:23

Did you address with him their behavior at the last gathering — his reaching out for her to join his conversation and then allowing her arm around his waist?

IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 06/10/2022 21:28

MsDogLady · 06/10/2022 21:23

Did you address with him their behavior at the last gathering — his reaching out for her to join his conversation and then allowing her arm around his waist?

Yes.

He didn't really have a reason for inviting her over other than he was talking to someone who was asking about the hobby and she was walking past so he called her over to join in the conversation 🤷🏻‍♀️

Apparently, he 'didn't notice' her arm around his waist... 🤷🏻‍♀️

I suppose he thinks "I didn't notice" is a high quality defence. At least it gets him out of having to explain himself, I guess...

OP posts:
BadNomad · 06/10/2022 21:32

I remember your other threads. I do feel sorry for your partner tbh. He isn't encouraging this woman, but he's obviously not comfortable with confrontation, and he doesn't want to cause trouble in the group. He just wants to do the hobby then go home (with you!). This woman knows her attention is not wanted, but it's how she wants to act and so she does. But you have made this such a battle in your head. You're seeing it as him choosing to put her and the groups' feelings above yours. When really, him saying something to her isn't going to make any difference to how she behaves. You know this. You've seen this. But you're fixated on needing him to make that gesture to prove you are important to him. Even though you've said yourself he has never done anything wrong towards you, he has made you feel loved.

You are self sabotaging your own relationship by making this unimportant woman's pointless behaviour a test that you know he is going to fail. I think it has gotten to the point now where he is realising he can't win. That even if he does pass this test, you'll just find something else to prove that you aren't important to him or that he isn't loyal to you. It's sad really if you throw away a good relationship because of your insecurities.

Youaremysunshine14 · 06/10/2022 21:37

OP, you mentioned your previous relationships have never lasted beyond a year. Has there been anything similar to this situation crop up in those?

LuckyLil · 06/10/2022 21:37

See I wouldn't think you'd need to be comfortable with confrontation just to stop letting someone grope you. It does seem a bit spineless.

OldFan · 06/10/2022 21:38

He isn't encouraging this woman

Except he also called her personally over when he didn't need to.

him saying something to her isn't going to make any difference to how she behaves

Presumably this woman is sane enough to control her actions if it really is necessary. If OP's STBXB was firm with her and told her he didn't want to be touched or flirted with, she'd move on to a new target or just stop it.

If not, she's a sleaze and should be banned from the group, anyway.

Youaremysunshine14 · 06/10/2022 21:39

IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 06/10/2022 21:17

He just kind of laughed it off. Didn't reciprocate. Occasionally, jokingly responded. But didn't flirt back. Tbh, I thought he did like her but, apparently, they just used to take the piss a bit.

It was this guy who approached bf and lightheartedly said said he thought he'd lost his admirer because she was after him now.

But isn't that exactly how your ex has handled it? Why is it okay for the friend to have dealt with her that way but not him?

LuckyLil · 06/10/2022 21:40

Imagine if he was groping other women. Would we be saying that they aren't encouraging it but they just let him do it because they aren't comfortable with confrontation? How on earth can anyone not notice they are being touched up anyway?

OldFan · 06/10/2022 21:41

But isn't that exactly how your ex has handled it? Why is it okay for the friend to have dealt with her that way but not him?

The friend isn't going out with OP. She's told her boyfriend how she feels about it, and he's let it carry on. That's the difference.

LuckyLil · 06/10/2022 21:41

Youaremysunshine14 · 06/10/2022 21:39

But isn't that exactly how your ex has handled it? Why is it okay for the friend to have dealt with her that way but not him?

Because it wasn't OPs boyfriend that time?

Youaremysunshine14 · 06/10/2022 21:42

OldFan · 06/10/2022 21:41

But isn't that exactly how your ex has handled it? Why is it okay for the friend to have dealt with her that way but not him?

The friend isn't going out with OP. She's told her boyfriend how she feels about it, and he's let it carry on. That's the difference.

I meant if the friend was also in a relationship with someone. But that's me assuming he was.

OldFan · 06/10/2022 21:45

But he wasn't in a relationship with OP, who's told her boyfriend how she feels about it, and her boyfriend is still engaging with this woman, when he knows OP (his girlfriend) is unhappy with it.

IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 06/10/2022 21:45

Youaremysunshine14 · 06/10/2022 21:37

OP, you mentioned your previous relationships have never lasted beyond a year. Has there been anything similar to this situation crop up in those?

No. Nothing like this ever.

Last two relationships I ended...

  1. because he made too many demands of my time and expected me to be in constant text contact when we weren't physically together. He started sending abusive texts when I didn't reply.

  2. was a negger of the highest order. Constantly criticised me and I just had enough of it.

I've never been in a situation like this. Ever. I've never suspected anyone of cheating on me. I've never had an issue with bfs having female friends either.

OP posts:
IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 06/10/2022 21:51

Youaremysunshine14 · 06/10/2022 21:39

But isn't that exactly how your ex has handled it? Why is it okay for the friend to have dealt with her that way but not him?

He's been married for over 30 years. With his wife since they were teenagers. I'd imagine your relationship pretty strong after that amount of time and so it was irrelevant. Besides, she didn't do it in front of his wife. And she didn't smile over his shoulder at this man's wife while she was doing it.

This has been a feature of our relationship since about 10 weeks in.

It's run alongside 'us' parallel to us pretty much the whole time.

Besides, my boundaries don't have to be the same as someone else's.

OP posts:
BadNomad · 06/10/2022 21:55

OldFan · 06/10/2022 21:38

He isn't encouraging this woman

Except he also called her personally over when he didn't need to.

him saying something to her isn't going to make any difference to how she behaves

Presumably this woman is sane enough to control her actions if it really is necessary. If OP's STBXB was firm with her and told her he didn't want to be touched or flirted with, she'd move on to a new target or just stop it.

If not, she's a sleaze and should be banned from the group, anyway.

No, the other woman isn't the full shilling. She is very insecure and needy. It has been made clear to her that her attention isn't wanted, but she still persists. Nothing is done about it because she is a long-standing member of the group and her actions are relatively "harmless". She's a nuisance, but not enough to be removed.

Except he also called her personally over when he didn't need to.

Like I said, I feel he has given up at this point. The OP isn't going to change her mind so he has no need to keep a distance from her during meetings any more.