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Things have come to a head... 'friend' being OTT and flirting with boyfriend

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IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 05/10/2022 07:49

Yes, I have posted about this a couple of times previously. I'm feeling really shit at the moment so I'd appreciate neutral amd supportive comments rather than critical ones. Thanks.

In a nutshell, I'm in a social/hobby group of a dozen or so people. Mostly coupled up. I started seeing someone within the group and one of the 20yrs+ married women started flirting with my boyfriend. It became so OTT that it was embarrassing - other people noticed and were commenting. I stopped engaging with her other than when essential. I didn't ignore her if she spoke to me but I started avoiding being in that situation.

I spoke with my boyfriend about it. People had also commented to him about it. He didn't want to upset her by saying anything directly, even something as simple and non confrontational as, "Don't do that," and decided to just avoid her as I was/not seek out her company. He told me that he didn't know why she was doing it (but felt it was more to do with me than him as, when we'd first met, she told she was jealous of me). He said he found it weird and uncomfortable.

Anyway, it came to a bit of a head at the end of July when she asked me directly what the matter was. So I told her. I was cross about being the one who had to say something because it was nothing to do with me per se and I shouldn't have been the one who had to deal with it. She apologised to me and to him and no more was said. He didn't reply to her apology but it was definitely worded in such as way that it was intended to elicit reassurance on his part. He didn't give it.

We didn't meet up for the hobby over the summer so didn't see her again until a few weeks ago.

The first time, she ignored me, the second time she was friendly. I decided that, for the sake of the group, and so as not to be 'immature' as was suggested by some on here, that I would be amicable for everyone's sake.

However, she seemed to take this as a green light that everything was now OK, 6 weeks had passed and now it's business as usual. She hasn't been as bad and I wouldn't really describe her behaviour as flirting anymore bit she is still very tactile with him and he is now, seemingly, OK with it. I am not. I just feel I've been trampled over.

I feel betrayed by her as a friend. I feel betrayed that he has seemingly put it all behind him and he now seeks put her company for chats again. I'm sure others won't see a problem with that.

But it untenable for me. He and I had a long chat a couple of weeks ago and I said that I was strongly considering leaving the hobby over it because it was just unpleasant for me all the time - I feel disrespected and unvalued. He also told me in this conversation that he knew I would likely walk away from the relationship if I did. He was right.

The next time we were all together, and knowing this, he spent much of the evening chatting with her.

Afterwards, I told him that I would be leaving the hobby. He hasn't said anything about it either way. I have no idea what his thoughts are on it.

It's pretty much sounded the death knell for our relationship. I can't bear to be in the same room as either of them now.

He claims to have no interest in her and, by all accounts, he was in love with me for a while before we got together. He says he can't believe his luck. He tells me, and shows me, that he loves me. We spend all weekend together, we go out, he never behaves in a way that gives cause for concern other than this. He's overhauled my garden, cooks and does housework when he's here, treats me perfectly in every other respect. Talks about a future together and his actions, otherwise, seem to support this. But I just feel he doesn't respect me and has allowed the situation to continue despite knowing what the outcome will be.

I can't leave properly for another 3 weeks because we have a commitment to fulfill and I've agreed to do it. I'd be landing an awful lot of people in the shit if I pulled out now. But it's making me feel dreadful.

He says he has no interest in her but doesn't like to upset people and sees me leaving as choice rather than something he has caused/allowed to happen.

But I feel heartbroken and utterly bereft that I just don't seem to matter. I feel he has chosen being friendly with someone he claims to not even like all that much over an entire life with me.

OP posts:
IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 06/10/2022 22:06

Like I said, I feel he has given up at this point. The OP isn't going to change her mind so he has no need to keep a distance from her during meetings any more.

Except that it's not like that.

I told him I was leaving the group after this incident.

We haven't spoken about this or her since July.

There was no need to bring it up and we had a really lovely summer.

A little part of me knew that resuming things after the summer would be the litmus test. I said nothing. I decided to trust him to behave appropriately and hoped that, after our conversation, she would too.

OP posts:
LuckyLil · 06/10/2022 22:07

BadNomad · 06/10/2022 21:55

No, the other woman isn't the full shilling. She is very insecure and needy. It has been made clear to her that her attention isn't wanted, but she still persists. Nothing is done about it because she is a long-standing member of the group and her actions are relatively "harmless". She's a nuisance, but not enough to be removed.

Except he also called her personally over when he didn't need to.

Like I said, I feel he has given up at this point. The OP isn't going to change her mind so he has no need to keep a distance from her during meetings any more.

I think this is the difference though -

"Besides, she didn't do it in front of his wife. And she didn't smile over his shoulder at this man's wife while she was doing it."

She's admitted she's doing it on purpose because she feels threatened by OP. She is full shilling enough that she knows why she's doing it and has said so. OPs boyfriend know this too.

Bestofthree · 06/10/2022 22:12

What a horrible woman and what a weak man.

I hope you find somene kind OP, or have a full and enjoyable life as a single woman.

BigFatLiar · 06/10/2022 22:14

OP just move on, become the neighbourhood crazy cat lady or join a rambling group or a choir or any other activity that takes your fancy. Just put it behind you.

BadNomad · 06/10/2022 22:17

IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 06/10/2022 22:06

Like I said, I feel he has given up at this point. The OP isn't going to change her mind so he has no need to keep a distance from her during meetings any more.

Except that it's not like that.

I told him I was leaving the group after this incident.

We haven't spoken about this or her since July.

There was no need to bring it up and we had a really lovely summer.

A little part of me knew that resuming things after the summer would be the litmus test. I said nothing. I decided to trust him to behave appropriately and hoped that, after our conversation, she would too.

But why is it a test? Do you not see that it's not right to blame him for not handling it the way you want? She is harassing him, but you are making it about you. I've been in your boyfriends position, I've had my partner at the time question me over why I'm not stopping it, why I'm not making a fuss, am I actually enjoying the attention, don't I care that it makes him look like a cuck etc. It's a horrible feeling. Yes, it's fine to have an issue with her, but you don't get to tell someone else how to handle being harassed.

For what it's worth, I dumped that guy in the end because anyone who thinks I must be enjoying or encouraging non-consensual touching just because I'm not standing there screaming "NO!" can fuck off.

BadNomad · 06/10/2022 22:18

LuckyLil · 06/10/2022 22:07

I think this is the difference though -

"Besides, she didn't do it in front of his wife. And she didn't smile over his shoulder at this man's wife while she was doing it."

She's admitted she's doing it on purpose because she feels threatened by OP. She is full shilling enough that she knows why she's doing it and has said so. OPs boyfriend know this too.

She's a cunt. That still doesn't mean the OP's partner is to blame for her actions.

OldFan · 06/10/2022 22:26

I'm not saying the flirty woman is the full ticket but I think she's probably still with it enough that if a bloke was firm with her she'd lay off with that particular bloke.

Do you not see that it's not right to blame him for not handling it the way you want?

OP's allowed to not be happy about how her boyfriend's handling it. Yes, he can do what he wants but if he isn't acting as if he's bearing his partner's feelings in mind, his partner doesn't have to put up with that, she can end the relationship if it's (understandably IMHO) not her cup of tea.

You could go out with him if you'd be happy with it @BadNomad . OP isn't. And that's fine.

For what it's worth, I dumped that guy in the end because anyone who thinks I must be enjoying or encouraging non-consensual touching just because I'm not standing there screaming "NO!" can fuck off.

I doubt you would've invited the guy over to you though, if you felt like that, like OP's boyfriend did.

You have your dealbreakers, others have theirs. And they're allowed them, just as much as you are.

BadNomad · 06/10/2022 22:39

I doubt you would've invited the guy over to you though, if you felt like that, like OP's boyfriend did.

You mean act civil when in a group setting? Yes I did. I enjoyed the sport. I didn't want to have to leave it. I didn't want to create an atmosphere. So I was civil and friendly with everyone.

But you're right. Everyone is entitled to their dealbreakers. If OP's dealbreaker is how her partner handles being harassed, then that's her outlook. If she can't handle it, then that's her problem, not his.

OldFan · 06/10/2022 22:46

I doubt you would've invited the guy over to you though, if you felt like that, like OP's boyfriend did. You mean act civil when in a group setting?

Inviting someone over who wasn't involved in the particular conversation or the particular group in that discussion isn't just basic acting civil, it's a deliberate action to invite that person's presence to him further than necessary.

If she can't handle it, then that's her problem, not his.

You might think that (so get with OP's boyfriend.) Plenty of people would think a man could choose to act with more consideration of his partner's feelings than this, and be firmer with a woman acting inappropriately towards him when he's in a relationship.

Men and women aren't in the same position in this world, either. Especially as he's in a solid position in this group, as one of the founder members.

youlooklikeapenis · 06/10/2022 22:53

God there are some low bars and gaslighting on this thread. You're doing the right thing op.

DuckDuckNo · 06/10/2022 23:22

youlooklikeapenis · 06/10/2022 22:53

God there are some low bars and gaslighting on this thread. You're doing the right thing op.

The cool wife brigade is having a field day.

OP, you're not obligated to keep dating anyone who is making you feel unhappy.

altmember · 07/10/2022 01:05

It was never about him. It was about me and it was about her.

I can understand this bit - she was flirting with your bf purely to 'get at' you.

But how does that fit in with what you've now divulged about her previously doing exactly the same with another bloke in the group?

The guy he's out with is the one this woman was all over before she started on my bf.

PineOrange · 07/10/2022 01:26

I think he knows exactly what he's doing or not doing for you.

He's testing you to see how much crap you can take.

Good for you for not playing the game, a game which involves your self esteem being chucked in the bin with a smile on your face.

Don't look back.

LuckyLil · 07/10/2022 09:57

BadNomad · 06/10/2022 22:18

She's a cunt. That still doesn't mean the OP's partner is to blame for her actions.

No one says he’s to blame. But he isn’t being forced to stand there with her hands all over him then pretending he hadn’t noticed. He isn’t helpless. He can walk away or ask her to stop. He isn’t doing either.

burnoutbabe · 07/10/2022 10:27

i mean unless its THE QUEEN (RIP) casually putting her arm around his waist, you can politely move away/yawn/go and need to get a drink etc

this is way beyond "being polite/civil"

LuckyLil · 07/10/2022 16:14

Personally I wouldn't be walking away without letting them know it was a result of her behaviour because I think it lets her get away with it otherwise, which I don't think she should. She's already done this to another person and now members are leaving the group because of her. She needs calling out once and for all, otherwise it will just continue to damage the dynamic of the group and she'll keep getting away with it.

MsDogLady · 07/10/2022 18:29

@IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday, how are things going today? I know you’re gutted that they failed to honor the understanding set in July. His claiming he ‘didn’t notice’ her arm around his waist is ludicrous.

It is he who isn’t enough.

Notwellatall · 12/10/2022 07:19

I keep coming back to this thread hoping that the stupid man has come to his senses and come running to you OP, hopefully having shoved that nasty woman over. She is obviously malicious, but he? What on earth is he thinking? I wish you all the best, perhaps someone better is waiting.

Bestofthree · 12/10/2022 07:25

Well said @Notwellatall

upsidedown21 · 12/10/2022 07:41

IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 05/10/2022 18:21

It doesn't anymore. Except that she was supposed to be my friend.

When I removed myself from the group chat, she was one of two people to contact me and ask if everything was OK.

I just said I was taking a bit of a break from a couple of things and she gave me the whole, if there's anything I can do/if you need to talk... spiel 🙄

It is too late. He has said nothing. Just let it continue until the point I had to say something because she asked me.

But if he'd stood up for me/us at any point, she could have carried on and we'd have ignored but, as he hasn't, I'm left with wondering whether he meant any of what he said to me. After all, he's prepared to lose over it.

I wouldn't ever have expected him to leave the hobby over it and, tbh, the reasion I'm walking away from both is because I now feel that would be the only solution. And I'm not prepared to ask him to do that.

Op do not think she was your friend for contacting you because you left the group . She either wanted to know if it was because of her or she's was joking you'd left because you left the hobby or your boyfriend. Keep your enemies closer and all that

IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 12/10/2022 07:47

Well, he has also left the group.

It's caused a bit of a stir that we've both gone.

When he met up with the other guy last week, he told him everything (they've been friends for decades) and, whilst he was upset, he understood.

I didn't ask him to (and would never have done so) and I had no idea he was even considering it until it was done.

He's told everyone we've left and that we'll honour the final commitment. But then that's it.

I found an old message she'd sent me with a photo of her and this other man 'proving' that he was luating after her. Yet all I saw was a photo of a man doing his thing and her leaning all over him. Along with messages that she found the 'influence' she had over these men 'empowering'.

Glad it's over tbh.

OP posts:
IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 12/10/2022 07:49

upsidedown21 · 12/10/2022 07:41

Op do not think she was your friend for contacting you because you left the group . She either wanted to know if it was because of her or she's was joking you'd left because you left the hobby or your boyfriend. Keep your enemies closer and all that

Oh, I'm well aware of that. She's already asked the other guy if we're leaving because of her!

She messaged both of us. We both ignored her.

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Bestofthree · 12/10/2022 07:55

Wait, so are you together?

So strange you would not just tell her straight and block her.

Glad you can have some peace now - it must be hard to live through all that tension. Shame about the group though - thats a big deal leaving a hobby.

JackieQueen · 12/10/2022 08:16

Very pleased for you op, hope you will both be very happy 💐

IDontWantToGoToSchoolToday · 12/10/2022 08:32

He said he had been an idiot and I was the most important thing to him. He hoped that, by just ignoring, would go away but he realised that by not doing anything, he'd made the situation worse.

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