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Ex turning up at family funeral

246 replies

ItsnotaHenryMoore · 18/09/2022 01:12

Been divorced 19 years - my choice and I've remarried.

My exDH turns up at family funerals and it's causing me increasing discomfort. He was there at my uncle's a few years ago, I didn't know he was coming until I saw him in the car park. Now one of my cousins has passed away. My own DH won't be coming because he is holding the fort at home with our twins. My exDH will sit with me and my parents and act like we've been married the whole time. It's so uncomfortable.

His family haven't spoken a word to me since we separated yet he expects to come to my family things because it was me who left him - therefore, in his eyes, he's entitled.

We have got on ok over the years but politely fell out a few years ago and haven't really spoken since. (Our 2 DC's are late 20's) so its going to be doubly awkward.

I suppose because it's a funeral, I feel I can't really say anything or ask him not to come but its causing me additional stress at a very sad time. I wouldn't mind if he sat at the back and nipped away before the reception but it's very unlikely. He'll make a day of it. He wasn't that interested in my family before we got divorced!

Is he being weird? Am I being unreasonable? Should I speak to him in advance? Or have I just got to suck it up as it's a public event?

OP posts:
JOFFCV · 09/10/2022 11:43

BCconrad · 18/09/2022 06:29

You divorced him but you can't stop him paying respects to people who have died.

Get a grip. Someone has died, and you are expending a lot of energy on the matter. Attend the funeral and know that you will leave and that is it.

Get a grip? How horrible.

Why should OP have to sit with her ex when attending HER cousins funeral? He sounds like a weirdo and should sit on his own.

Pheasantplucker2 · 09/10/2022 11:49

Glad to hear it went uneventfully and you didn't have to sit with him.

It's clearly controlling and weird. My husband would be very unlikely to be able to get time off work to go to my cousin's funeral, and he similarly sees her a couple of times a year at family events. If we were divorced he wouldn't even consider going.

I think the issue you need to raise now is with your daughters. You need to have that uncomfortable conversation with them now. Ask them why they think he wanted to go to the funeral of someone he saw maybe twice a year over 20 years ago and didn't maintain any contact with since your divorce. Say how uncomfortable it makes you feel and your worry is that he will try to come to your parents' funerals when they sadly pass on. Make it clear to them that it would absolutely devastate you to have to deal with him in those situations.

I would also be tempted to get your parents to write him a letter saying that they and other members of your family are becoming increasingly concerned as to why he feels the need to turn up to your family funerals. Maybe even say that they wouldn't want him to come to their funerals.

My husband's ex hung around his family for years after they split up. It was tricky for everyone and only resolved when she found a new partner.

StaunchMomma · 09/10/2022 11:50

I'm sorry but I disagree with your stance on this. Your family were his family for a period and if he chooses to pay respects that's up to him.

The fact that his family don't speak to you is irrelevant, really.

My Mum and Dad have been divorced for 30 years but I'd be pissed if my Dad hadn't turned up to my Grandad's funeral. They were family for 20 years - that means something.

I'd just try to see it as respect being paid and try to mentally separate yourself from it as much as possible. You don't have to speak to him if you don't want to.

StClare101 · 09/10/2022 11:56

IVbumble · 09/10/2022 11:22

It's important to tackle the subject of his behaviour - even if your DD's don't like to hear it. They really need to understand that women no longer have to pander to men - which is something they are already doing.

Exactly. Your daughters should be prioritising you at the funeral of your family member. The pandering to their pathetic Dad needs to stop.

Rushingfool · 09/10/2022 11:59

I am still very fond of the parents of my ex-boyfriend from 35 years ago. And they are of me. I probably wouldn't go to their funerals in order not to upset ex's wife and my husband, but in my heart I would want to go.

diddl · 09/10/2022 12:01

I think that your family need to be less accommodating in general.

Your daughters & parents need to stop giving him info.

Wider family need to know that you do not want him there.

This probably comes about because people think that you get on better than you do.

He has been sitting next to you at family funerals & next to your dad at family wakes!

diddl · 09/10/2022 12:03

Rushingfool · 09/10/2022 11:59

I am still very fond of the parents of my ex-boyfriend from 35 years ago. And they are of me. I probably wouldn't go to their funerals in order not to upset ex's wife and my husband, but in my heart I would want to go.

But then you would surely go, sit at /near the back, maybe not attend the wake?

unsync · 09/10/2022 12:10

For your parents, you can have a private service by invitation only with a public memorial service at a later date. In the meantime, you can only control your reaction to him. You say he's passive aggressive so the best thing is to totally blank him, don't give him the response he is looking for and count your blessings that you left.

AsterixInEngland · 09/10/2022 12:18

Rushingfool · 09/10/2022 11:59

I am still very fond of the parents of my ex-boyfriend from 35 years ago. And they are of me. I probably wouldn't go to their funerals in order not to upset ex's wife and my husband, but in my heart I would want to go.

So imagine you are still in touch with each other right? You have a relationship outside of the marriage/relationship you had with you ex.
I would put you in the ‘friend’ category if your exPIL and as such it is only fair that you can attend their funeral. Like a lot of their other friends.

Thats not the case of the OP’s ex though. He hardly met the deceased, has no relationship with any of the family members present apart from his dds who are well supported and have NOT asked him to be there.

Not the same situation at all and I’m sure you can see that.

Bryterlayter1 · 09/10/2022 12:19

Totally the norm in my family. My parents have been divorced for nearly 40 years, but they will both attend the funeral of the other person's family. My Dad and step mum went to my aunt's (mother's sister) funeral and maternal grandmother's. My mum went to my paternal grandfather's funeral and also attend my step grandmother's (step mother's mother) funeral. They don't sit with the immediate family, rather they sit at the back. It's always appreciated.

Mind you for divorced people they get along very well, my Dad was my Mum's accountant for years until they both retired.

longtompot · 09/10/2022 12:46

It's not odd he goes to the funerals but this is odd behaviour

My exDH will sit with me and my parents and act like we've been married the whole time. It's so uncomfortable.

His family haven't spoken a word to me since we separated yet he expects to come to my family things because it was me who left him - therefore, in his eyes, he's entitled.

Maybe say to him he can come to funerals but he can sit with the other guests. I suppose he still part of the family as you have children together. How do your parents feel about this?

RaraRachael · 09/10/2022 12:47

My XH has refused to speak to me for 13 years yet turns up at my family funerals. I don't think he'd have known some of them if he'd met them in the street.

Batceanera · 09/10/2022 12:57

dontgobaconmyheart · 09/10/2022 11:15

If it is an open funeral (ie not close family and friends only) then I suppose he can attend if he knew them or in support of his children, though I have no idea why he is being allowed to sit in the next of kin.

I would be calling him to say that if he wants to pay his respects he is welcome to do so but will not be permitted to sit with the next of kin, as he is not one. I'd definitely be making it clear to him that it causes me (and the family) unnecessary distress that he attends at all and that it would be more respectful to the family to keep an appropriate distance. I'd certainly make clear to the rest of my close family how I feel about his attendance and seek their support. Ultimately who attends is down to the family, not down to him and he can be told no, or asked to leave.

I think in all honesty if I were surprised in this way by an ex I probably would ask them to leave or certainly say " thank you for coming to pay respects, understandably out of respect for the family these seats are for immediate family and friends only so if you wouldn't mind seating yourself at the rear for the service" - preferably with your DH with you. I do think what he's doing is disrepectful and would have thought most people would find what he is doing odd.

This is a cracking plan of action.

You are still in FOG, passive aggressive behaviour is controlling. How utterly selfish of you ex to make this event about him. I cannot believe he is plonking himself next to you. It sounds like he attends the wake too, wtaf! A good rule of thumb is to consider if you did this, would it sit well with you?

I had no idea people thought funerals are open until my mum died. Also that people think death and illness belong to everyone. My mum hated social media. When she had cancer, people she didn't speak to were posting about her on Facebook. She made it clear to her family that she wanted nothing about her on social media, ever. People still did/do. Despite it upsetting my dad and being asked not to. He hates seeing posts about her so left FB. It is selfish and virtue signalling.

Reallycomplicatedpants · 09/10/2022 15:09

It is all about boundaries for me.

Yesterday was a first because I just spoke to the people I wanted to, didn't pay any attention to whether he was looking embarrassed or out of place. Which he obviously did, because, as he pointed out he knew hardly anyone there. Well, he wouldn't, would he?!

I'm thinking an awful lot about my people pleasing tendencies and fear of confrontation at the moment. Causing me headaches at work too. I've let this go on for far too long.

TheLadyofShalott1 · 09/10/2022 15:15

Oh dear I am going to get flamed here.

But first of all @forrestgreen will you please stop telling the OP things like:

'block her ex's number on her parents phone' and 'to tell her parents to stop talking to her ex or inviting him to family gatherings, etc'.

Unless the OP's parents both have severe dementia, the OP has no right to even touch their phones, never mind open them, or to then go into settings and block their phones from receiving communications from her ex.

If you treat anyone else like that other than your own under 16 year old Children ( and even then, if they are about 8 years old or over, you should discuss any issues with th first), then you are being totally controlling and right out of order. Imo you are advocating behaviour that is even more unsuitable than the OP's ex.

Right, if I have had anyone agree with me so far, I know that I am most likely to lose any support in the next minute or two!

@ItsnotaHenryMoore / @Reallycomplicatedpants

and anyone else who is still reading this:

My DexH (and yes I deliberately call him Dear, because until he left me for another woman I had been in love with him, and he was who I believed at the time to be, my best friend, for over a decade. Even more importantly than that, he was, and still is, the DF of my DC), was my first real, and at the time, all consuming love, who I got together with and married, while I was still a teenager.

As well as being completely in love with my DexH, I took my Wedding Vows very seriously, and unless he had somehow turned into an abusive monster, or been a terrible father, I believe that I would have never left him. His timing and method of leaving me was quite frankly shit, but even though it was over 30 years ago, I still care about him as the man I once - at least thought - was my soul mate, and life long partner. I had been his first girlfriend, and he was the first person that I had made love with had penetrative sex with.

In fact when he told me that he was leaving me, and for a work colleague, I found it very hard to comprehend - we had several DC by then, one of whom was still a very young baby - I actually wondered for a while if he had been taken by aliens and had either been replaced by one of them, or had had his brain so badly scrambled by them, that his character was changed both dramatically and drastically.

So (and I am girding my loins here), I do have some, maybe even a little more than some, sympathy with the OP's exH. I was obviously devastated - and hormonal as I had very recently given birth - when my Dex told me that he was going to leave me, and when he did actually go. Many of you will be disgusted with me that I didn't kick him out immediately, but I was still very much in love with him, and I had some sympathy with the fact that he had never had a girlfriend before me. So I thought it was understandable that he had been curious, but I had just never thought that his moral character, and the deep love that I thought we shared for each other, would lead to him doing anything other than wonder what it would be like to 'be' with someone else.

In my turmoil, at the start of my new single status, I turned quite strongly to the religion I had been both baptised and confirmed in - C.o.I. (NI) Christianity - and although I had become a "High days and Holidays" Church goer, I did, as I stated before, take my Wedding Vows very seriously. Unfortunately the first Church I entered (one I had never been in before, and it wasn't during a Service) had some leaflets near the door, one talking about marriage break ups, so I took it, but didn't read it until I got home. When I read it - and even though it wasn't a Roman Catholic Church - it stipulated very strongly that one should not break one's own Wedding Vows, even if your spouse had, even if they had left you (where is Henry V111 when you need him)!

As at that time I felt exactly the same way anyway, I readily absorbed and believed what the leaflet said. Nothing else changed in my infrequency of Church attendance, or my infrequency in reading the bible - I didn't during that stage of my life, or since as it happens, as my beliefs have changed quite a lot; the biggest change being that I still believe very much in Jesus, but I am also convinced that God is not Omnipotent, hence why terrible things can, and do still happen to completely innocent people.

I think that I have digressed too far, which is one of my worst traits these days - nicely mixed in with my verbal diarrhoea! So I will return very soon now to the OP's current situation, I just wanted to add that some weeks later, after picking up that - in retrospect - potentially very damaging Church leaflet, I read a book called

"The Road Less Travelled",

and that book resonated with me very strongly at the time.

It wasn't/isn't an alternative Gospel, but at the time I think I very much agreed with everything it said, however, I haven't read it for many years now, and my memory is nudging me to say that looking back now to the feelings I had straight after reading they were mainly very positive - for me - but I do think that there might have been a section that advised (but I might be totally misremembering this, or erroneously recalling it, so do please take that into consideration) that if we really love a partner, we shouldn't expect them to be (at least) sexually faithful to us, or put another way, we should let them be free to love others in a way that suits them.

Whether I am misremembering that now, or I didn't interpret it correctly at the time, I very much took it to heart. Therefore, when I eventually met my present DH (after some fun times experiencing dating other people, which I had missed out on in my youth - except for some kissing and fumbling with equally young boyfriends), and I realised that I was in love with him, I insisted that I thought we should have an open marriage.

That was not for my benefit, as I knew that I only ever wanted monogamy in my marriage on my side, as I just couldn't envisage, and had no desire to, have sex with anyone else. Maybe that was at least partially because my DH and I were very well matched in all areas sexually. Probably luckily, my DH didn't want, or feel the need to be sexually active with anyone else either, again maybe partly because by that time he was already far more sexually (and relationship wise) experienced than me?

If I had not had my DC to care for, and if I had not had an enormous amount of help, love and support from some amazing family members and friends (and to be fair my new GP as well - we had only recently moved into that area), and maybe if I had not read the book "TRLT", I might have turned into the OP's first exH. So I do have empathy with him, I did very much feel that my DexH's family were also my family, especially after my Dex and I had DC, as these wonderful little beings who had come out of my body, also got half of their genes from my Dex and his family. So to me that meant (and means) that his family were still my family too. Until her sad death, my Dex MiL still sent me Christmas cards signed with love from mum, and I sent her them addressed to mum, but she did it first (!). My DexH's Dad died quite soon after our split, but his mum just a few years ago. I asked if I could attend his DF's funeral, but they asked me not to, but they said they would put my name on the flowers they bought for him, and of course I respected their wishes.

However the OP's exH has never (allowed himself to?) got over his DW leaving him, and then subsequently divorcing him, and if he felt/still feels anything like I did initially about my Dex, then I can easily understand how and why he feels like he does, why he still considers himself to be part of the family, and why he still wants to be part of their lives. The OP has moved on, but in her ex's eyes - and heart - I think he still considers himself to be married to her, and that just because a Judge has signed a couple of forms (and maybe he signed them too), that is no-where near the same thing as going through your Marriage Vows with someone who you consider to be your other half, who when he took his Vows he expected to live with, love, and be loved by, for the rest of his life. Add DC to the mix and in the vast majority of cases (I hope) the seperated couple will still be intertwined for the rest of their lives.

@ItsnotaHenryMoore / @Reallycomplicatedpants

I am sorry, but I really can't understand why you get so upset/annoyed by your exH and father of your two oldest DC, being at family gatherings, Weddings and Funerals? You left him, so presumably you are not harbouring any feelings of love or jealousy for him, and I don't think he was abusive to you or your DC? I feel very sorry for him, as he is presumably turning into an old and very sad and lonely man. I don't think he is trying to control you, nor does his behaviour come anywhere near that of a stalker, as some other pp's have suggested.

I wish he had been able to get over you all those years ago OP, and I am very sorry that he has wasted so much time pining over the family time he shared with you. Unfortunately, unless your DD's (as they are very established adults now who should not be influenced by you over their feelings for their DF) can somehow help their DF get some mental health support, or at least some MH advice, otherwise he may continue to be a nuisance to you, and never really have any true happiness in the rest of his life.

By the way, I am not trying to say that you shouldn't have left him OP, if you had continued to live a presumably unhappy life with him, it would not have made his life any better, and it would almost certainly have had different, and probably worse, negative affects on your DC, and you hopefully deserve to be happy too. If you could somehow try and change your feelings towards him to ones of compassion - without of course giving him hope that you are feeling more warmly towards him, as that would almost certainly prove even more devastating to him once he realised that that isn't the case - you could help yourself by not getting so stressed during those joint family occassions, your DC would not have to feel guilty about whose "side" they were on, on any given occassion, and your DParents could continue to be kind to someone that they probably do have sympathy for.

ShinglesThinBonesWhiskersBunions · 09/10/2022 15:33

@TheLadyofShalott1 that is by far the longest post I have ever seen. Any chance of a TLDR?

ShinglesThinBonesWhiskersBunions · 09/10/2022 15:39

@Reallycomplicatedpants why are they complaining to you? Their social awkwardness is not your responsibility.

1000% boundaries and their contempt for them.

Reallycomplicatedpants · 09/10/2022 15:43

I read everything you say, Lady of Shallot - thank you for taking the time.

Ex has plenty of friends and hobbies and a busy social life. He wasn't that keen on spending time with my family whilst we were married.

I have always tried to be kind and compassionate because it was my decision to leave and I didn't want to be a person with angry relationships in my life, I wanted the DC's to feel relaxed and not torn. But I've totally negated my own feelings partly through guilt and totally overdone it and he's taken advantage of what he perceives to be my weakness. And I've made other people believe we got on better than we do in the process because I wanted to seem nice and all very modern. And because I have a new family, why should I be angry etc?

Honestly, he's been totally single all this time and really should never have married, I was very lonely. I don't think he's genuinely pining, he just feels justified because he feels he was hard done by.

youlooklikeapenis · 09/10/2022 21:26

TheLadyofShalott1 · 09/10/2022 15:15

Oh dear I am going to get flamed here.

But first of all @forrestgreen will you please stop telling the OP things like:

'block her ex's number on her parents phone' and 'to tell her parents to stop talking to her ex or inviting him to family gatherings, etc'.

Unless the OP's parents both have severe dementia, the OP has no right to even touch their phones, never mind open them, or to then go into settings and block their phones from receiving communications from her ex.

If you treat anyone else like that other than your own under 16 year old Children ( and even then, if they are about 8 years old or over, you should discuss any issues with th first), then you are being totally controlling and right out of order. Imo you are advocating behaviour that is even more unsuitable than the OP's ex.

Right, if I have had anyone agree with me so far, I know that I am most likely to lose any support in the next minute or two!

@ItsnotaHenryMoore / @Reallycomplicatedpants

and anyone else who is still reading this:

My DexH (and yes I deliberately call him Dear, because until he left me for another woman I had been in love with him, and he was who I believed at the time to be, my best friend, for over a decade. Even more importantly than that, he was, and still is, the DF of my DC), was my first real, and at the time, all consuming love, who I got together with and married, while I was still a teenager.

As well as being completely in love with my DexH, I took my Wedding Vows very seriously, and unless he had somehow turned into an abusive monster, or been a terrible father, I believe that I would have never left him. His timing and method of leaving me was quite frankly shit, but even though it was over 30 years ago, I still care about him as the man I once - at least thought - was my soul mate, and life long partner. I had been his first girlfriend, and he was the first person that I had made love with had penetrative sex with.

In fact when he told me that he was leaving me, and for a work colleague, I found it very hard to comprehend - we had several DC by then, one of whom was still a very young baby - I actually wondered for a while if he had been taken by aliens and had either been replaced by one of them, or had had his brain so badly scrambled by them, that his character was changed both dramatically and drastically.

So (and I am girding my loins here), I do have some, maybe even a little more than some, sympathy with the OP's exH. I was obviously devastated - and hormonal as I had very recently given birth - when my Dex told me that he was going to leave me, and when he did actually go. Many of you will be disgusted with me that I didn't kick him out immediately, but I was still very much in love with him, and I had some sympathy with the fact that he had never had a girlfriend before me. So I thought it was understandable that he had been curious, but I had just never thought that his moral character, and the deep love that I thought we shared for each other, would lead to him doing anything other than wonder what it would be like to 'be' with someone else.

In my turmoil, at the start of my new single status, I turned quite strongly to the religion I had been both baptised and confirmed in - C.o.I. (NI) Christianity - and although I had become a "High days and Holidays" Church goer, I did, as I stated before, take my Wedding Vows very seriously. Unfortunately the first Church I entered (one I had never been in before, and it wasn't during a Service) had some leaflets near the door, one talking about marriage break ups, so I took it, but didn't read it until I got home. When I read it - and even though it wasn't a Roman Catholic Church - it stipulated very strongly that one should not break one's own Wedding Vows, even if your spouse had, even if they had left you (where is Henry V111 when you need him)!

As at that time I felt exactly the same way anyway, I readily absorbed and believed what the leaflet said. Nothing else changed in my infrequency of Church attendance, or my infrequency in reading the bible - I didn't during that stage of my life, or since as it happens, as my beliefs have changed quite a lot; the biggest change being that I still believe very much in Jesus, but I am also convinced that God is not Omnipotent, hence why terrible things can, and do still happen to completely innocent people.

I think that I have digressed too far, which is one of my worst traits these days - nicely mixed in with my verbal diarrhoea! So I will return very soon now to the OP's current situation, I just wanted to add that some weeks later, after picking up that - in retrospect - potentially very damaging Church leaflet, I read a book called

"The Road Less Travelled",

and that book resonated with me very strongly at the time.

It wasn't/isn't an alternative Gospel, but at the time I think I very much agreed with everything it said, however, I haven't read it for many years now, and my memory is nudging me to say that looking back now to the feelings I had straight after reading they were mainly very positive - for me - but I do think that there might have been a section that advised (but I might be totally misremembering this, or erroneously recalling it, so do please take that into consideration) that if we really love a partner, we shouldn't expect them to be (at least) sexually faithful to us, or put another way, we should let them be free to love others in a way that suits them.

Whether I am misremembering that now, or I didn't interpret it correctly at the time, I very much took it to heart. Therefore, when I eventually met my present DH (after some fun times experiencing dating other people, which I had missed out on in my youth - except for some kissing and fumbling with equally young boyfriends), and I realised that I was in love with him, I insisted that I thought we should have an open marriage.

That was not for my benefit, as I knew that I only ever wanted monogamy in my marriage on my side, as I just couldn't envisage, and had no desire to, have sex with anyone else. Maybe that was at least partially because my DH and I were very well matched in all areas sexually. Probably luckily, my DH didn't want, or feel the need to be sexually active with anyone else either, again maybe partly because by that time he was already far more sexually (and relationship wise) experienced than me?

If I had not had my DC to care for, and if I had not had an enormous amount of help, love and support from some amazing family members and friends (and to be fair my new GP as well - we had only recently moved into that area), and maybe if I had not read the book "TRLT", I might have turned into the OP's first exH. So I do have empathy with him, I did very much feel that my DexH's family were also my family, especially after my Dex and I had DC, as these wonderful little beings who had come out of my body, also got half of their genes from my Dex and his family. So to me that meant (and means) that his family were still my family too. Until her sad death, my Dex MiL still sent me Christmas cards signed with love from mum, and I sent her them addressed to mum, but she did it first (!). My DexH's Dad died quite soon after our split, but his mum just a few years ago. I asked if I could attend his DF's funeral, but they asked me not to, but they said they would put my name on the flowers they bought for him, and of course I respected their wishes.

However the OP's exH has never (allowed himself to?) got over his DW leaving him, and then subsequently divorcing him, and if he felt/still feels anything like I did initially about my Dex, then I can easily understand how and why he feels like he does, why he still considers himself to be part of the family, and why he still wants to be part of their lives. The OP has moved on, but in her ex's eyes - and heart - I think he still considers himself to be married to her, and that just because a Judge has signed a couple of forms (and maybe he signed them too), that is no-where near the same thing as going through your Marriage Vows with someone who you consider to be your other half, who when he took his Vows he expected to live with, love, and be loved by, for the rest of his life. Add DC to the mix and in the vast majority of cases (I hope) the seperated couple will still be intertwined for the rest of their lives.

@ItsnotaHenryMoore / @Reallycomplicatedpants

I am sorry, but I really can't understand why you get so upset/annoyed by your exH and father of your two oldest DC, being at family gatherings, Weddings and Funerals? You left him, so presumably you are not harbouring any feelings of love or jealousy for him, and I don't think he was abusive to you or your DC? I feel very sorry for him, as he is presumably turning into an old and very sad and lonely man. I don't think he is trying to control you, nor does his behaviour come anywhere near that of a stalker, as some other pp's have suggested.

I wish he had been able to get over you all those years ago OP, and I am very sorry that he has wasted so much time pining over the family time he shared with you. Unfortunately, unless your DD's (as they are very established adults now who should not be influenced by you over their feelings for their DF) can somehow help their DF get some mental health support, or at least some MH advice, otherwise he may continue to be a nuisance to you, and never really have any true happiness in the rest of his life.

By the way, I am not trying to say that you shouldn't have left him OP, if you had continued to live a presumably unhappy life with him, it would not have made his life any better, and it would almost certainly have had different, and probably worse, negative affects on your DC, and you hopefully deserve to be happy too. If you could somehow try and change your feelings towards him to ones of compassion - without of course giving him hope that you are feeling more warmly towards him, as that would almost certainly prove even more devastating to him once he realised that that isn't the case - you could help yourself by not getting so stressed during those joint family occassions, your DC would not have to feel guilty about whose "side" they were on, on any given occassion, and your DParents could continue to be kind to someone that they probably do have sympathy for.

More bending over to appease him.

Your story is irrelevant and you sound nuts.

TheLadyofShalott1 · 09/10/2022 21:48

ShinglesThinBonesWhiskersBunions · 09/10/2022 15:33

@TheLadyofShalott1 that is by far the longest post I have ever seen. Any chance of a TLDR?

I absolutely agree with you @ShinglesThinBonesWhiskersBunions .
It is the longest post I have seen as well - it is far too long, and I wish that I knew how to incorporate everything that I feel is necessary in order to explain where I am coming from, without having to write a post about the same size as a novela! I can only apologise to anyone who feels that they should read my posts - particularly this one - but are put off by the sheer volume of words on the page. I am going to shut up now, for now ...

Herejustforthisone · 09/10/2022 21:52

TheLadyofShalott1 · 09/10/2022 15:15

Oh dear I am going to get flamed here.

But first of all @forrestgreen will you please stop telling the OP things like:

'block her ex's number on her parents phone' and 'to tell her parents to stop talking to her ex or inviting him to family gatherings, etc'.

Unless the OP's parents both have severe dementia, the OP has no right to even touch their phones, never mind open them, or to then go into settings and block their phones from receiving communications from her ex.

If you treat anyone else like that other than your own under 16 year old Children ( and even then, if they are about 8 years old or over, you should discuss any issues with th first), then you are being totally controlling and right out of order. Imo you are advocating behaviour that is even more unsuitable than the OP's ex.

Right, if I have had anyone agree with me so far, I know that I am most likely to lose any support in the next minute or two!

@ItsnotaHenryMoore / @Reallycomplicatedpants

and anyone else who is still reading this:

My DexH (and yes I deliberately call him Dear, because until he left me for another woman I had been in love with him, and he was who I believed at the time to be, my best friend, for over a decade. Even more importantly than that, he was, and still is, the DF of my DC), was my first real, and at the time, all consuming love, who I got together with and married, while I was still a teenager.

As well as being completely in love with my DexH, I took my Wedding Vows very seriously, and unless he had somehow turned into an abusive monster, or been a terrible father, I believe that I would have never left him. His timing and method of leaving me was quite frankly shit, but even though it was over 30 years ago, I still care about him as the man I once - at least thought - was my soul mate, and life long partner. I had been his first girlfriend, and he was the first person that I had made love with had penetrative sex with.

In fact when he told me that he was leaving me, and for a work colleague, I found it very hard to comprehend - we had several DC by then, one of whom was still a very young baby - I actually wondered for a while if he had been taken by aliens and had either been replaced by one of them, or had had his brain so badly scrambled by them, that his character was changed both dramatically and drastically.

So (and I am girding my loins here), I do have some, maybe even a little more than some, sympathy with the OP's exH. I was obviously devastated - and hormonal as I had very recently given birth - when my Dex told me that he was going to leave me, and when he did actually go. Many of you will be disgusted with me that I didn't kick him out immediately, but I was still very much in love with him, and I had some sympathy with the fact that he had never had a girlfriend before me. So I thought it was understandable that he had been curious, but I had just never thought that his moral character, and the deep love that I thought we shared for each other, would lead to him doing anything other than wonder what it would be like to 'be' with someone else.

In my turmoil, at the start of my new single status, I turned quite strongly to the religion I had been both baptised and confirmed in - C.o.I. (NI) Christianity - and although I had become a "High days and Holidays" Church goer, I did, as I stated before, take my Wedding Vows very seriously. Unfortunately the first Church I entered (one I had never been in before, and it wasn't during a Service) had some leaflets near the door, one talking about marriage break ups, so I took it, but didn't read it until I got home. When I read it - and even though it wasn't a Roman Catholic Church - it stipulated very strongly that one should not break one's own Wedding Vows, even if your spouse had, even if they had left you (where is Henry V111 when you need him)!

As at that time I felt exactly the same way anyway, I readily absorbed and believed what the leaflet said. Nothing else changed in my infrequency of Church attendance, or my infrequency in reading the bible - I didn't during that stage of my life, or since as it happens, as my beliefs have changed quite a lot; the biggest change being that I still believe very much in Jesus, but I am also convinced that God is not Omnipotent, hence why terrible things can, and do still happen to completely innocent people.

I think that I have digressed too far, which is one of my worst traits these days - nicely mixed in with my verbal diarrhoea! So I will return very soon now to the OP's current situation, I just wanted to add that some weeks later, after picking up that - in retrospect - potentially very damaging Church leaflet, I read a book called

"The Road Less Travelled",

and that book resonated with me very strongly at the time.

It wasn't/isn't an alternative Gospel, but at the time I think I very much agreed with everything it said, however, I haven't read it for many years now, and my memory is nudging me to say that looking back now to the feelings I had straight after reading they were mainly very positive - for me - but I do think that there might have been a section that advised (but I might be totally misremembering this, or erroneously recalling it, so do please take that into consideration) that if we really love a partner, we shouldn't expect them to be (at least) sexually faithful to us, or put another way, we should let them be free to love others in a way that suits them.

Whether I am misremembering that now, or I didn't interpret it correctly at the time, I very much took it to heart. Therefore, when I eventually met my present DH (after some fun times experiencing dating other people, which I had missed out on in my youth - except for some kissing and fumbling with equally young boyfriends), and I realised that I was in love with him, I insisted that I thought we should have an open marriage.

That was not for my benefit, as I knew that I only ever wanted monogamy in my marriage on my side, as I just couldn't envisage, and had no desire to, have sex with anyone else. Maybe that was at least partially because my DH and I were very well matched in all areas sexually. Probably luckily, my DH didn't want, or feel the need to be sexually active with anyone else either, again maybe partly because by that time he was already far more sexually (and relationship wise) experienced than me?

If I had not had my DC to care for, and if I had not had an enormous amount of help, love and support from some amazing family members and friends (and to be fair my new GP as well - we had only recently moved into that area), and maybe if I had not read the book "TRLT", I might have turned into the OP's first exH. So I do have empathy with him, I did very much feel that my DexH's family were also my family, especially after my Dex and I had DC, as these wonderful little beings who had come out of my body, also got half of their genes from my Dex and his family. So to me that meant (and means) that his family were still my family too. Until her sad death, my Dex MiL still sent me Christmas cards signed with love from mum, and I sent her them addressed to mum, but she did it first (!). My DexH's Dad died quite soon after our split, but his mum just a few years ago. I asked if I could attend his DF's funeral, but they asked me not to, but they said they would put my name on the flowers they bought for him, and of course I respected their wishes.

However the OP's exH has never (allowed himself to?) got over his DW leaving him, and then subsequently divorcing him, and if he felt/still feels anything like I did initially about my Dex, then I can easily understand how and why he feels like he does, why he still considers himself to be part of the family, and why he still wants to be part of their lives. The OP has moved on, but in her ex's eyes - and heart - I think he still considers himself to be married to her, and that just because a Judge has signed a couple of forms (and maybe he signed them too), that is no-where near the same thing as going through your Marriage Vows with someone who you consider to be your other half, who when he took his Vows he expected to live with, love, and be loved by, for the rest of his life. Add DC to the mix and in the vast majority of cases (I hope) the seperated couple will still be intertwined for the rest of their lives.

@ItsnotaHenryMoore / @Reallycomplicatedpants

I am sorry, but I really can't understand why you get so upset/annoyed by your exH and father of your two oldest DC, being at family gatherings, Weddings and Funerals? You left him, so presumably you are not harbouring any feelings of love or jealousy for him, and I don't think he was abusive to you or your DC? I feel very sorry for him, as he is presumably turning into an old and very sad and lonely man. I don't think he is trying to control you, nor does his behaviour come anywhere near that of a stalker, as some other pp's have suggested.

I wish he had been able to get over you all those years ago OP, and I am very sorry that he has wasted so much time pining over the family time he shared with you. Unfortunately, unless your DD's (as they are very established adults now who should not be influenced by you over their feelings for their DF) can somehow help their DF get some mental health support, or at least some MH advice, otherwise he may continue to be a nuisance to you, and never really have any true happiness in the rest of his life.

By the way, I am not trying to say that you shouldn't have left him OP, if you had continued to live a presumably unhappy life with him, it would not have made his life any better, and it would almost certainly have had different, and probably worse, negative affects on your DC, and you hopefully deserve to be happy too. If you could somehow try and change your feelings towards him to ones of compassion - without of course giving him hope that you are feeling more warmly towards him, as that would almost certainly prove even more devastating to him once he realised that that isn't the case - you could help yourself by not getting so stressed during those joint family occassions, your DC would not have to feel guilty about whose "side" they were on, on any given occassion, and your DParents could continue to be kind to someone that they probably do have sympathy for.

Did you have a boozy lunch or something? Christ.

CheesyBeans1 · 09/10/2022 21:59

ShinglesThinBonesWhiskersBunions · 09/10/2022 15:33

@TheLadyofShalott1 that is by far the longest post I have ever seen. Any chance of a TLDR?

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CheesyBeans1 · 09/10/2022 22:01

I can't believe how many people are quoting that whole post 🤣

TheLadyofShalott1 · 09/10/2022 23:36

Many thanks for your comment about the relevance of my original post responding to the OP @youlooklikeapenis. Since typing that post I have had a very pleasant response from @ItsnotaHenryMoore in which she explains more about her exH. I think that the OP has stayed remarkably polite and kind to me when I so obviously misjudged her exH. She is probably feeling annoyed by my post, as I definitely realise that the OP will know her ex very well and know what makes him tick, whereas being a stranger, I obviously don't know anything about him. I was however, genuinely trying to be helpful.

From the OP's response I have to agree with you as well @youlooklikeapenis that my experience story is totally irrelevant here. I went into so many ultimately unnecessary details because if the OP had not been so aware of her ex's character, she might have been worrying herself about what appears to be a large part of his personality without any real need to do so. I said what I did in my first post in good faith, in case the OP had not considered her ex's behaviour from a quite different and less concerning viewpoint with regards to her.

However, as it turned out I did not need to worry about the OP being needlessly concerned about her ex and his behaviour, nor did I need to worry about the OP's ex being a terribly unhappy and lonely man. As to the query on whether I am "nuts" or not, I think that that is probably a given, with no further research needed.

I do have one question cum problem with your response to me though youlooklikea, and that is:
why did you repost my whole initial response to the OP? I don't think anyone - including me - either wants to read the whole thing again, or would have any difficulty in finding the original one if they wanted to for some strange reason?

TheLadyofShalott1 · 10/10/2022 00:01

@Herejustforthisone, I have just finished asking a PP why she reposted my whole initial response to the OP, when I find that you have quoted the whole thing too! Can you explain why please Herejustfor, as I am sure that my original reply to the OP's OP frustrated enough people without it keeping being reposted again!

My reply to the OP was far too long, and takes ages for people to scroll past, which is very annoying. But at least I typed such a long response due to my embarrassing ineptitude to explain anything more succinctly. However, I really don't understand your and youlooklikea's reasons for reposting my whole post to the OP?

By the way Herejust, I hardly ever drink alcohol, and when I do my limit is an absolute maximum of two units, but I usually only have one. I can't remember when I last had an alcoholic drink, so unfortunately I can't blame my ramblings on the demon drink. I think that youlooklikea's judgement of me being nuts is probably spot on, and I didn't even spot her nutcracker...

I have my fingers crossed that when I post this there will have been no more reposts of what must be becoming my infamous post!

Sorry OP for unintentionally somewhat derailing your thread.

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