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Husband has had an affair

418 replies

Pippa49 · 16/09/2022 11:12

Three weeks ago I found out from my 16 year old daughter that my husband of 20 years has been having an affair for the past two years with someone he met through work. He claims it to have been an emotional rather than physical relationship but has deleted all messages between them. They were speaking on whatsapp/text/phone daily, he was sending her flowers monthly and other expensive gifts with intimate and emotionally charged messages. I have found some of the receipts for the gifts but he is still being very secretive and claims not to have met her out of work and yet I have seen bookings for restaurants (which he claims to have cancelled)......I am all over the place and wondered if anyone has been through similar and has any guidance.

OP posts:
Zeborah · 16/09/2022 18:25

Im sorry this has happened to you, it’s an awful place to be. The reality is, infidelity starts in the head. It doesn’t matter if he’s shagged her or not. He has been unfaithful to you; being emotionally involved is far worse and more of a betrayal than a quick lustful shag. He has bought her gifts, written love messages & more. Are you prepared to forgiven and forget such a betrayal?

Hopeandlove · 16/09/2022 18:25

Pippa49 · 16/09/2022 11:25

I am struggling to piece it all together as at the moment I cannot prove it was a physical affair too although the emotional side is painful enough and nearly £1,000 spent on flowers, tiffany necklace, perfume.......I cannot see the bank accounts or phone records as I am not the primary account holder. He is being very emotional with me and claims to have ended it with her saying that it was a huge mistake, a fantasy and was not real. None of it adds up.

Doesn’t matter though - he lied he is in love and emotionally connected to someone else
your child told you wtf? 🤬how does she know and how the fuck does that teach her self respect and boundaries
end it

this is an iceberg you can only see the top of it 90% you have yet to uncover

Herejustforthisone · 16/09/2022 18:26

You’re a lawyer. You’re a sensible, intelligent woman. You need to see this for what this is.

Orangejellybeans · 16/09/2022 18:26

Please have a look at the site survivinginfidelity.com it's an excellent resource

Peridot1 · 16/09/2022 18:27

Can posters please stop haranguing the OP? She’s in shock and confused and hurting and doesn’t know what way is up.

Let her figure things out for a few days if she needs. She has to do what is right for her. And her children.

MuggedByTheSleepThief · 16/09/2022 18:27

Hi OP, I’m so sorry you are going through this. Can I make a suggestion regarding your daughter? She obviously struggled with this so may well be doubting she did the right thing and/or feeling guilty. It may be an idea of making a point of clearly telling her she was brave and did absolutely the right thing.

Perhaps you mend this in full possession of the truth, perhaps you go and find authentic happiness and support elsewhere. Either way she gave you agency, and things would only have deteriorated within confusion and unhappiness if she hadn’t. She gave you a massive gift snd taking the resultant burden from her is important. This is all on your DH but you and your daughter can find a lot to admire in each other I think. Take care

AnotherEmma · 16/09/2022 18:28

Rosehugger · 16/09/2022 13:18

I think the worst aspect of this is that your kids felt they had to keep this secret because of what he did, and the hurt this must have caused them. I wouldn't blame them at all by the way, but I would hate that they have been caught in the middle and that he put them in this position.

Agree with this.

sagalooshoe · 16/09/2022 18:28

Tell him to leave until you've decided what to do. You and your daughter need some time together to talk and heal. You can't do that with him hanging about. Get him out!
Flowers

Fairislefandango · 16/09/2022 18:31

Sorry OP - men don't spend two years sending extravagant gifts and soppy messages to a woman they are not sleeping with. Deep down you must know that. You are underreacting, not overreacting, probably because you are hoping this will all somehow go away, or that some revelation will somehow excuse his behaviour. It won't. He's a cheating scumbag.

0live · 16/09/2022 18:32

Of course the Op is desperate @BobDear , she’s still in a state of shock. It’s only two weeks since she found out and only one week since her husband suppOsedly ended it with his affair partner. Her whole world has been turned upside down.

Of course she is desperately clinging on to any small shred of hope that her marriage can be salvaged. She’s had three weeks of her husbands lies and deceptions and pleadings. Three weeks of him constantly telling her that her gut feeling , common sense and hard evidence is wrong and his interpretation of the facts is correct.

“ Argument weak here, shout [cry , plead, threaten ] louder “.

Even if she has confided in friends or family, they will of course know her husband and be as shocked as is. No one wants to tell her the hard truth , right to her face. Would you if it was your sister / daughter / best friend ? Would you destroy her last hope?

The op needs understanding and compassion here. She’s not a stupid woman she understands what evidence is and the standard of proof required for her to act.

Please remember @Pippa49 that your marriage is neither a criminal nor a civil court. You don’t even require “ on the balance of probabilities “.

You know, deep down, that this isn’t about whether PIV sex took place. Nor is is about that £1,000. Its about his lifestyle of lies and betrayal. It’s about what he did to his own daughter.

It’s about how when you were alone, dealing with tough family issues, he was odd wining and dining his mistress.

And that you will never ever, as long as he lives, be able to trust him again.

I understand how much you want to believe him, despite all the evidence. Your head is spinning because you are trying so hard to reconcile his words with his actions. But you know you can’t. Something fundamental has been destroyed and it can never be rebuilt.

Many women in your situation try really hard to make a whole new marriage with a new basis. Only you know if this is something you want. Sadly it doesn’t work for most. And of course, most men go on to cheat again, for the same reason they did the first, second and third time - their sense of entitlement.

I know you are in no position to make major decisions right now so I suggest that you buy yourself some time first.

Ask your husband to move out for a month or so, to let you think. It’s important that you are able to think without his voice in your head, so no phone calls or texts . He can send emails about any urgent issues.

Your kids are old enough to decide if they want to see him.

Use that time to collect the relevant documents.

Speak to a colleague with family law experience ( I assume you are in employment) and get recommendation . Perhaps instruct someone so you know where you stand.

Get some counselling for your DD.

Get some counselling for yourself.

Read the chump lady website. You will laugh and cry.

Confide in your friends, if you have not yet done so. Don’t lie to then, if there’s any shame here it’s not yours.

momtoboys · 16/09/2022 18:32

Pippa49 · 16/09/2022 12:33

How can you all be so sure he is shagging her? He is adamant there was nothing physical. How will I ever know. And this is the horrible limbo world I am in at the moment, with a constant feeling of anxiety and physical pain.

Come ooooonnnnnn...You can't really believe this is all "emotional"? He has made a fool of you. He has put your children in an untenable position of knowing about an affair and keeping it from you. By "limping along" together you are teaching your daughter that it is OK for a man lie, cheat and steal from a woman (which is what he has done since he is spending $ on his girlfriend). He is a bad guy. This will not end - he is just telling you what you want to hear. All that being said, I am truly sorry you are going through this and suffering so.

Sloth66 · 16/09/2022 18:33

This Prince amongst men has been having a full blown physical affair, spending thousands on this woman, and continuing the affair, leaving your poor DD in an awful situation.
he sounds disgusting to be honest. Ask yourself- if your DD was treated like this by a man, what would you say to her?
You deserve better, get rid of this waste of space who will likely try crawling back once his OW kicks him to the kerb.

momtoboys · 16/09/2022 18:37

Pippa49 · 16/09/2022 13:27

Presume everyone thinks those messages (above) are enough evidence to make a decision on? I also know chocolate, expensive perfume, flowers to her when she was abroad to celebrate their "anniversary" were sent......

Its easy for me to say but his ass would have been out the MINUTE I found out. But I am also not delusional that he isn't having sex with this woman.

Goldencarp · 16/09/2022 18:37

It doesn’t matter if there was sex or not, it’s totally irrelevant. He’s lied and gone behind your back. Honestly I’d find that a lot harder to deal with than if it was just a quick shag. Either way that would be the marriage over for me.

Imelda03 · 16/09/2022 18:37

You’re a lawyer and follow logic and evidence.

What logic is there in thinking if she has had sex with other married man she abstained from having sex with your husband.

What evidence is there she did infact have sex …..aside from actually seeing them?? What does your evidence show…I’d say you absolutely know it shows more than an emotional affair.

and finally what does any of the above matter if you will not act upon what you know is the truth?

don’t let fear of the unknown stop you from keeping you bar high and expecting respect and loyalty from your husband xxx

ThisUserNameIsAvailableOk · 16/09/2022 18:49

The fact it took two weeks for him to "end it" with her and the fact you didn't hear him doing so suggests that he's told her a tall tale too.

He'll have told her your marriage has been dead for years, he's stayed for the kids and he's just got to be there until your daughter is 18 and goes to uni. As soon as he thinks you believe him he will be back in her bed

DrGlenda · 16/09/2022 18:52

I bet your poor DD felt horrendous telling you and it’s been eating away at her, whatever you think he has or hasn’t done he’s been a selfish prick and a horrible father for that alone.

IMHO he’s had sex with her, why would you woo someone with expensive gifts for a couple of messages and flirting at work? He could talk to strangers online for that. He’s met her in a convenient setting, found her attractive, she gives 0 shits he’s married with kids and likes the gifts/attention/your husband and so they’ve been secretly together for years taking you for a fool.

I’m so sorry OP Its a horrendous situation to be in, but you may never get that concrete evidence that he’s had sex with her and he’ll likely never admit it, but even without that can you really get past what you KNOW he has done to you and your family?

wheredidIleavemystyle · 16/09/2022 18:54

You shouldn't stay for your DD. If you're worried about your DD, you should leave FOR her.

We tend to repeat our parent's relationships. And right now you're teaching her that when you've been betrayed, you sweep your feelings under the carpet and carry on, pretending things are OK when they're so plainly not. That your feelings don't matter.

Is that what you want her to do if her long term partner betrays her? What would you advise her to do? Leave him, right? So, that's what you need to do.

Show her what standing up for yourself looks like. It won't be easy but you deserve better.

It doesn't matter if he had sex with her or not (he did). What you know about already is more than enough betrayal anyway.

mum0fone · 16/09/2022 18:56

Pippa49 · 16/09/2022 12:43

He told me that me finding out was a relief and gave him the impetus to finish it with her. That said, it took him two weeks to call her (when he was at work apparently) to end it. I am sounding pathetic but I feel like I need the silver bullet piece of evidence before making such a huge decision to leave him....my daughter was devastated when she told me. It so heartbreaking and I'm struggling to function at the moment.

I'm really sorry but you don't need more evidence. The silver bullet should be that you have an opportunity to show some self respect and show your 16 year old daughter that this isn't an ok way to be treated.
The fact that your children were suspicious just breaks my heart for them. Imagine hiding that for 6 months.
I had a friend when we were teenagers who saw her dad kissing another woman and she had to tell her mum. It literally broke her and she had lost all respect for her dad.

Badger1970 · 16/09/2022 18:59

Thing is, OP, you can convince yourself all you want that it wasn't sex, he's had a midlife crisis, you didn't pay him enough attention. You can woo him back, "win" the prize.

Only you will never know peace of mind again. Every time he's late; every time his phone pings. Every time he's stuck in traffic. It will slowly but surely eat you away inside.

He really must be worth that to stay.

LovingTheseAutumnSnippets · 16/09/2022 19:01

HE'S LYING

He's minimising what happened between them, and he is taking you for a fool.

I do know damn well that she would lose her job if her employer found out

Kick him out, and go ahead and get her fired. They both deserve it.

If I found out my DH had been sending flowers and Tiffany necklaces to someone, with or without the sexual part, I would still kick him out. That is a massive sign of disrespect to you.

girlmom21 · 16/09/2022 19:17

Kick him out, and go ahead and get her fired. They both deserve it.

Don't because then he'll end funding her with the money he should be giving to your kids.

unflappybelivabubble · 16/09/2022 19:19

Your mind will do anything to override the truth . But you know you just don't want to believe it ,
Ask yourself
Would he spend any of that amount of money on any other "friend"
Has he spent any of that amount money on his wife / you ?
If he isn't by having sex with her why is he pursuing her ,
Why does he feel relieved if he had nothing to feel guilty about
Your daughter knows and he has put her in a dreadful position ( unforgivable)

Sorry Op
I had this with a past partner and we limped on for two more wasted years which I regret bitterly as it prolongs the pain .

He is a horrible cheat

firstmummy2019 · 16/09/2022 19:26

ItsaMetalBand · 16/09/2022 16:53

How long did you both wait until you had sex as a couple? Was it years?

I genuinely do not know a single person who would have a 'friendship' that includes all of the things you've discovered. Every single thing bears the hallmarks of not only an affair, but one where they were very much in love. And when you are very much in love, sex occurs.

I do not know a single person apart from deeply religious folk who would have a relationship that was chaste for that amount of time.

This!
It doesn't make sense because it is not true.

Natty13 · 16/09/2022 19:34

Pippa49 · 16/09/2022 12:33

How can you all be so sure he is shagging her? He is adamant there was nothing physical. How will I ever know. And this is the horrible limbo world I am in at the moment, with a constant feeling of anxiety and physical pain.

If he 1. really hadn't shagged her and 2. Was desperate to make things better he would have been totally open and transparent with you. He absolutely wouldn't have deleted all the messages, be refusing to answer questions or otherwise hiding things. That's just a fact I am sorry.