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I think I am being completely head ducked

178 replies

Thingsneedtochange000 · 28/08/2022 22:34

Please tell me what you think of this kind of behaviour.

Last day of holiday with boyfriend. He is 50 I am 40. We are having a great time, out for lunch, by the beach, we have two separate flights to catch in the evening. We’ve spent four days together no problems.

we finish a bottle of wine at lunch, feeling a bit tipsy, I ask him to kiss me. Just a kiss on the lips not a snog. He says no. Okay. We go to the beach, hang out, laugh some more, swim in the sea. Literally leaning against each other, holding hands, making jokes. I ask him again to give me a kiss on the lips. Just a peck. He says no again. It becomes a bit of a joke. Me begging and him refusing, although I really did want to just be able to kiss him on the lips.

As we are waiting for the taxi and getting into the taxi to go to the airport the joke continues. I said please now we are about to go our separate ways I just want you to kiss me. He was very assertive, the tone completely changed and said “no sorry I really don’t want to.” I asked why. He said I just don’t want to and I have a right to not do something i don’t want to do.”

I am ashamed to say I cried because it was the last time I would see him for a while and he was talking to me as if I was forcing myself on him and he was some kind of victim of my sexual advances (bear in mind this is a three year long, emotional and sexual relationship we are in.)

as soon as I started crying (I was also a bit pissed) he sat back and said “my god, you are so pathetic.” This made me feel 100x worse I said why, why won’t you kiss me? Why is that pathetic we have done it thousands of times before? He said it’s completely pathetic I shouldn’t have to explain why.

I then got out of the taxi and stormed off with my bag and caught another taxi to the airport. He sent a series of texts saying again how my reaction is pathetic then told me he was turning off his phone and would not be checking messages. I got on the plane crying. And the same thing happens every time (the same thing but different has happened before,) I start to panic that I have done something stupid, that actually i am an awful, chaotic crazy person, who cannot respect other people’s boundaries and that I have fallen I to the trap of his stereotype of me. As this crazy, unhinged person who loses it and storms off over something small. So I send a view texts apologising for over reacting and saying how sorry I am and how I will respect his boundaries in the future. This is so confusing to me because I don’t feel I crossed his boundaries, just wanted something we normally do in the course of our relationship.

this is increasingly happening in our relationship. He will take a stand over something or over a principle. Something we usually do as matter or course or have done for several years already: like kissing, holding hands, talking about a certain topic. He will suddenly act like I am crossing a boundary and become formal with me , almost like he wants to see my reaction. The jarring nature of jovial and loving to formal, cold and spontaneous boundaries catches me off guard and I find it very upsetting and will often cry or beg him to tell me why he has suddenly become like that. He then has carte Blanche to say I am over emotional, over sensitive, getting upset over nothing. It’s just a boundary why can’t I respect that? Have I ever heard of #meetoo? He is a person who wants to respect his own principles and live by them. Why can’t I respect that?

why does he do this?

I am walking on eggshells, waiting for the next surprise or boundary, starting to fear getting it wrong. It has also created a physiological sense of heightened anxiety in me where I feel like I could lose him any second and I feel desperate to keep him. The time before when this happened, he blocked me on his phone for four days. It was hell and it was because I had caught him Out in a small white lie about his work. I wanted to understand why he did not tell the truth and was asking him gently. He accused me of being abusive and systematically abusing him over years.

please help what is going on?

OP posts:
Hawkmoth · 28/08/2022 22:36

Yeah, headfuck. Bin.

MomwasCasual · 28/08/2022 22:37

please help what is going on?

You're going out with a dick head.

HTH

Alcemeg · 28/08/2022 22:37

Whoooooo, he sounds very weird OP.

Hard to say what's going on inside his head, but whenever someone says "I am walking on eggshells" it's clear this is not a happy or healthy place to be. x

1dontunderstand · 28/08/2022 22:37

Yes you are being head fucked! He sounds awful and you don’t sound happy

coodawoodashooda · 28/08/2022 22:39

It's really good he's being so obviously horrible. Get rid of him now.

1dontunderstand · 28/08/2022 22:39

I can guarantee that he gaslights you in these situations; “it wasn’t a big deal” “why are you overreacting” etc.

Change12345 · 28/08/2022 22:40

oh what a head duck. He’s playing with you & being totally unfair. Please see this as is doing and not as any reflection of you. I would retract your apology, end things because of x, y, z etc… explain that’s your tight to do do and cut him off. Nothing good will come of this relationship. He’s manipulating you and you are worth so much more.

wheresmyshoe · 28/08/2022 22:43

Fuck that, you're strung out because you're being deliberately put through an emotional wringer.

Sunnytwobridges · 28/08/2022 22:46

Sounds like he’s checking out/checked out of the relationship

Isaidnoalready · 28/08/2022 22:46

Send him a message tell him you have been thinking and you no longer feel this is the relationship for you

Then block him

AlisonDonut · 28/08/2022 22:48

Make a permanent boundary with him on the other side of it?

Alphavilla · 28/08/2022 22:48

He's playing with you like a cat plays with a mouse. It amuses him to distress you and watch you suffer. Almost sadistical. He's enjoying moving the goalposts to keep you confused and dependent on his whim. My advice? Get out now he's a bad one.

bigspoonlittlespoon · 28/08/2022 22:49

Definite mind games. He's enjoying making you feel vulnerable and desperate then punishing you by giving you the silent treatment.

Dick behaviour. Get rid of him. He sounds horrible.

watcherintherye · 28/08/2022 22:50

why does he do this?

You know why? Just because he can, that’s why. And each time you second guess yourself and go back to him apologising, it reinforces his feeling of power over you. Sack him off. 🚩🚩🚩

Purplecatshopaholic · 28/08/2022 22:50

Sounds like my ex. Keeps you on egg shells, never able to relax as you don’t know when he is going to behave like that. Then after he does, you spend ages trying to solve the issue so he’ll be ok with you again. He’s manipulating you - probably because he enjoys the power, enjoys the fact he’s making you anxious, etc. You need to get out of this relationship op, he will only continue to get worse and it will make you ill. I suffer from PTSD as a result of years of this abuse.

Ilovelurchers · 28/08/2022 22:53

He's a sadistic cunt. Totally normal of you to ask him to kiss you. If my partner didn't want to kiss me I would expect him to explain why.

There is nothing wrong with you at all. There is an awful lot wrong with him.

FTstepmum · 28/08/2022 22:53

That is feckin awful behaviour and my heart is hurting for you in this situation.

My ex did this kind of thing. It's cruel and crazy-making and will only get worse.

You deserve a man who will make you feel emotionally, mentally and physically safe.

He is NOT that man.

And YOU deserve better.

husbandcallsmepickle · 28/08/2022 22:54

You should never have to ask to be kissed. Mr Right should kiss you because he wants to

Divebar2021 · 28/08/2022 22:57

If you had just kissed him rather than asking for a kiss what would he have done? It seems like a he saw your disappointment and a little lightbulb went off in his head and he thought he could have some sadistic fun. I once had a boyfriend who got up in the middle of sex ( and I mean the middle), got dressed and left without saying a word to me. Later he told me it was to prove to me that he didn’t need me. Looking back at that now I can’t understand what the hell was wrong with me tolerating that for one second and there will come a time when you’ll look back with the same view. Rip the plaster off - just disappear. Don’t send heartfelt text messages trying to understand him. Don’t get into a conversation about boundaries or any other such nonsense. Just walk away.

Opentooffers · 28/08/2022 23:01

Yea, a person you have had sex with, doesn't want to kiss you, there's always a problem there. Sure people are entitled to boundaries, but they can't go moving them up and down on a whim - he does this to confuse you, stress you, wrong- foot you, and yea, it's abusive. Move on, you can do so much better.

OfficerArrestThatRuffian · 28/08/2022 23:04

What a pompous prick. I've drafted your last message to him so you don't have to!

"Dear Head-Ducker
I've been reflecting on what you've said about me being too emotional and I think you may have a point. While my reactions in the taxi were perfectly reasonable and ordinary reactions to your behaviour, my recent texts to you apologising for them clearly were not and evidentially this relationship (that prompted those) is no longer working for me. It's time we call it a day.

I don't wish to discuss my decision further so, as I know how good you are at respecting boundaries and how seriously you take consent in this era of #metoo, I am confident that, knowing this, you will not contact me following receipt of this message. To be clear, any further communication from you is unwanted and will be treated as harassment.

Toodlepip.

Thingsneedtochange000

P.S. Can't imagine why I didn't chuck you during your epic sulk that time I caught out in your own lie but better late than never, eh?"

Upsidedownagain · 28/08/2022 23:05

Definitely power games. I wonder why he was available aged 47? Had someone else got fed up with his game playing?

nameisnotimportant · 28/08/2022 23:06

Alphavilla · 28/08/2022 22:48

He's playing with you like a cat plays with a mouse. It amuses him to distress you and watch you suffer. Almost sadistical. He's enjoying moving the goalposts to keep you confused and dependent on his whim. My advice? Get out now he's a bad one.

This
It will only get worse, he sounds like a complete narcasict that enjoys watching you squirm and come running back to him.
If he genuinely goes through phases of not wanting physical affection he would act his age and give you a heads up. For example, wake up in the morning and say I'm not really wanting any physical affection today. Simply setting a boundary in a loving way. The way he sets his boundary is awful and created to cause you pain. This is not how someone acts when they love you, it's how they act when they want to belittle you and keep you chasing their tale. Then gas lighting you to make you feel like your the crazy one.
Please leave him asap

PastMidnight · 28/08/2022 23:08

You've handed over all of your power to him and he's using it against you. This is about control. Don't look for logical arguments because this isn't about logic at all. Don't try to make sense of something that has no sense and don't try to reason with someone who is completely unreasonable because it's not possible.

I always think of relationships as being like those old-fashioned weighing scales, with one partner on each side in terms of the power, control and influence they have over each other. In order for a relationship to work, the scales have to balance for most of the time. Once the scales go completely off-kilter with the weights being at opposite ends, one high and one low, it's impossible to get back to equilibrium. This relationship cannot be redeemed. He has no respect for you and a relationship cannot survive in that circumstance, although please don't blame yourself for his lack of respect. From what I've read, and reading between the lines, he's gradually made you feel worthless and you are NOT worthless.

I would from tomorrow, stop letting him control you. You won't love him any longer when you can see what posters here see, which is a very unpleasant and manipulative individual. Don't even waste your headspace trying to figure it out because as I said, this is not about logic so no amount of analysis will solve it. It's about his narcism and need to control another human being.

Wishing you all the best. x

shiningstar2 · 28/08/2022 23:09

A number of scenarios come to mind op and none of them great for you.

  1. Most probable. He just loves the control. Winding you up, watching what it does to you. Why would he do that? Because he is a nasty manipulative person.
  2. He wants to end it but is gaslighting you because he wants you to make the first move.
  3. You are leaving for separate destinations. .he's married. He's had his fun and is now mentally distancing you before he returns to his wife.
Does it matter why he does it? This is emotional abuse. Best you get out of this relationship. His loss. 💐