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I think I am being completely head ducked

178 replies

Thingsneedtochange000 · 28/08/2022 22:34

Please tell me what you think of this kind of behaviour.

Last day of holiday with boyfriend. He is 50 I am 40. We are having a great time, out for lunch, by the beach, we have two separate flights to catch in the evening. We’ve spent four days together no problems.

we finish a bottle of wine at lunch, feeling a bit tipsy, I ask him to kiss me. Just a kiss on the lips not a snog. He says no. Okay. We go to the beach, hang out, laugh some more, swim in the sea. Literally leaning against each other, holding hands, making jokes. I ask him again to give me a kiss on the lips. Just a peck. He says no again. It becomes a bit of a joke. Me begging and him refusing, although I really did want to just be able to kiss him on the lips.

As we are waiting for the taxi and getting into the taxi to go to the airport the joke continues. I said please now we are about to go our separate ways I just want you to kiss me. He was very assertive, the tone completely changed and said “no sorry I really don’t want to.” I asked why. He said I just don’t want to and I have a right to not do something i don’t want to do.”

I am ashamed to say I cried because it was the last time I would see him for a while and he was talking to me as if I was forcing myself on him and he was some kind of victim of my sexual advances (bear in mind this is a three year long, emotional and sexual relationship we are in.)

as soon as I started crying (I was also a bit pissed) he sat back and said “my god, you are so pathetic.” This made me feel 100x worse I said why, why won’t you kiss me? Why is that pathetic we have done it thousands of times before? He said it’s completely pathetic I shouldn’t have to explain why.

I then got out of the taxi and stormed off with my bag and caught another taxi to the airport. He sent a series of texts saying again how my reaction is pathetic then told me he was turning off his phone and would not be checking messages. I got on the plane crying. And the same thing happens every time (the same thing but different has happened before,) I start to panic that I have done something stupid, that actually i am an awful, chaotic crazy person, who cannot respect other people’s boundaries and that I have fallen I to the trap of his stereotype of me. As this crazy, unhinged person who loses it and storms off over something small. So I send a view texts apologising for over reacting and saying how sorry I am and how I will respect his boundaries in the future. This is so confusing to me because I don’t feel I crossed his boundaries, just wanted something we normally do in the course of our relationship.

this is increasingly happening in our relationship. He will take a stand over something or over a principle. Something we usually do as matter or course or have done for several years already: like kissing, holding hands, talking about a certain topic. He will suddenly act like I am crossing a boundary and become formal with me , almost like he wants to see my reaction. The jarring nature of jovial and loving to formal, cold and spontaneous boundaries catches me off guard and I find it very upsetting and will often cry or beg him to tell me why he has suddenly become like that. He then has carte Blanche to say I am over emotional, over sensitive, getting upset over nothing. It’s just a boundary why can’t I respect that? Have I ever heard of #meetoo? He is a person who wants to respect his own principles and live by them. Why can’t I respect that?

why does he do this?

I am walking on eggshells, waiting for the next surprise or boundary, starting to fear getting it wrong. It has also created a physiological sense of heightened anxiety in me where I feel like I could lose him any second and I feel desperate to keep him. The time before when this happened, he blocked me on his phone for four days. It was hell and it was because I had caught him Out in a small white lie about his work. I wanted to understand why he did not tell the truth and was asking him gently. He accused me of being abusive and systematically abusing him over years.

please help what is going on?

OP posts:
coldcoldheartt · 29/08/2022 12:05

If he hasn't read the messages yet delete them NOW. Then block him and move on.

He sounds awful, it is not normal behaviour toward someone you love/respect/are in a bloody relationship with!!

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 29/08/2022 12:11

He is a vicious little sour-pus, bin him off, you can do better.

Sandra1984 · 29/08/2022 13:38

SunnyD44 · 29/08/2022 09:10

Sunny, you don't understand what's happening to the OP.

She is being abused by a hateful man.

So Sarah and Bob are in a relationship.

Bob wants to kiss Sarah but Sarah doesn’t want to, so Bob keeps on asking.

Sarah sticks to her guns and sternly says no she doesn’t not want to kiss him.

Bob goes off in a huff crying because he didn’t get what he wants.

Yet you’re saying that it’s Sarah that’s the abusive one because she wouldn’t give Bob a kiss?

She’s asking for affection from her partner( How DARE she?), some emotional support in the form of a kiss and a snog. He’s ridiculing her for what is a basic human need, gaslighting her and making her feel horrible for “committing the sin” of loving him.

He’s either checked out of the relationship, seeing someone else or playing control games. In any case this man shows a total lack of empathy and her self esteem will eventually get shattered if she remains in this pseudo relationship.

Lostoldusername · 29/08/2022 14:49

I never usually comment on these threads but absolutely LTB. He will only get worse, trust me.

CatherinedeBourgh · 29/08/2022 15:02

KettrickenSmiled · 29/08/2022 09:58

Cracking victim-blaming there, well done @CatherinedeBourgh. Did you even bother reading the OP?

The man does this type of stuff all the time.
It's not about a one-off scenario where OP wanted to kiss him & he did not - it's a constant dynamic within a twisted & abusive relationship.

Yes, I did read the OP, and the thread (well mostly).

OP is clearly in a toxic co dependent relationship with this man.

She should look at her part in it as well as his, for the sake of her own future happiness.

Otherwise she will repeat the pattern over and over again.

Which happens frequently.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 29/08/2022 15:29

His nasty side is showing
and agree with PP
the minute people say ‘eggshells’

it’s not good

keep a diary and you will see
more and more nasty things
more and more red flags 🚩

be happy you can easily walk away now

MrsLeBouef · 29/08/2022 15:32

Thingsneedtochange000 · 29/08/2022 08:04

Thank you

i feel so sad. I agree he is a narcissist
if I cut him off I’ll get accused of being angry and dramatic and like a “spoilt child.” He will then start sending threats like “if you don’t stop doing this I will do X.”

but then I fear if I block him completely (perhaps it’s the trauma bonding talking) I feel like I am losing something awful, like I will experience a terrible loss. Or he’ll find someone else very quickly, I’m sure he will

our communities are so interlinked we see each other a lot locally and at work, I would still have to continue seeing him while he hated / targeted me or made me out to be the crazy one

What would he do?

toooldtocarewhoknows · 29/08/2022 16:16

Gently start to step away. You need to create some space. Aim to leave this relationship behind as soon as possible, regardless of the fall out.

This man isn't healthy.

This man hasn't got your best interests at heart.

This man doesn't cherish you or even deserve you.

Do not link yourself in any permanent way.

Distance yourself. Get some support in RL to do this. And whatever you do DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN with him.

FartSock5000 · 29/08/2022 16:28

@Thingsneedtochange000 you've had a unanimous reaction here in the comments. You know there are red flags and you say you are afraid of splitting in case he makes things difficult for you? Well you could do the same! You tell every girl in your community that he is a weirdo narcissist who likes to control woman and see how many leap at him then.

You need to end it, block him and move on to find someone else who will love you back and you absolutely deserve that. Don't let this man rule over you a minute longer.

You did nothing wrong. You asked for a kiss, you didn't demand or take one.

Bin him and live your life as authentically you as you can.

Kindtomyself · 29/08/2022 16:47

This is dreadful behaviour from him and is gaslighting you. Yes people are allowed to say no but the way he has done it is very odd and headfuckery like he didn't know who you are or barely knew you. Decent people don't behave in that way to people they care about. You need to remember that you deserve to be treated with respect and not feel so shit. You are worth a lot more than this.

Kindtomyself · 29/08/2022 16:48

Read (or better still listen to) Why Did You Stay by Rebecca Humphries - it's inspirational

PatchworkElmer · 29/08/2022 16:59

Save him the bother of screening your messages by… not messaging him. What a prick.

KhaleesiDothraki · 29/08/2022 17:03

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2bazookas · 29/08/2022 17:07

It becomes a bit of a joke. Me begging and him refusing,

Here's the conflict. YOU think it's a bit of a joke to keep on and on and on pestering and demanding to get what you want . He doesn't , and finally he loses patience.

It's not about a kiss. If it was about an affectionate kiss, you'd just have kissed him.

It's about a 40 yr old behaving like a pesky 2 year old trying to wear him down to get her own way. Then throwing a tantrum when it didn't work.

The question you should be asking yourself, is "why do I do this".

OriginalUsername2 · 29/08/2022 17:12

This is creepy and familiar. My last relationship ended up very messed up and he started with little things like that. The perfect day or week would be ruined by him acting exactly this way - like I was clingy and desperate.

Run for the fucking hills, honestly. It’s fucked up power play.

Ilovelurchers · 29/08/2022 21:09

He obviously has the right not to kiss her, but in a loving relationship there would be a specific reason why you didn't want to kiss your partner. You might be in a bad mood with them; you might feel uncomfortable doing it in that specific location for whatever reason; you might be feeling tired or unwell or averse to physical contact for whatever reason. Fine. But you realise this will upset your partner so you just explain. To do otherwise is unkind and bound to worry them.

PrawnofthePatriarchy · 29/08/2022 21:25

You need to get rid of this man. He isn't kind. He isn't respecting you. His game playing is cruel and you deserve much better.

If you slowly read out your original post aloud to your tomorrow you will see how damaging this relationship is to you.

Being in a bad relationship is blocking you from meeting another, better man. This is wasting your time, your future, and bringing you down. Have courage and move on.

PastMidnight · 29/08/2022 21:33

Thingsneedtochange000 · 29/08/2022 08:04

Thank you

i feel so sad. I agree he is a narcissist
if I cut him off I’ll get accused of being angry and dramatic and like a “spoilt child.” He will then start sending threats like “if you don’t stop doing this I will do X.”

but then I fear if I block him completely (perhaps it’s the trauma bonding talking) I feel like I am losing something awful, like I will experience a terrible loss. Or he’ll find someone else very quickly, I’m sure he will

our communities are so interlinked we see each other a lot locally and at work, I would still have to continue seeing him while he hated / targeted me or made me out to be the crazy one

"our communities are so interlinked we see each other a lot locally and at work, I would still have to continue seeing him while he hated / targeted me or made me out to be the crazy one"

Imagine how much worse it would be if going forward, you married him or bought a place with him. It always feels difficult to break up with someone and one of the worst parts is having to tell people and feeling as though you need to provide an explanation. You don't. It's your business. Besides, people in your community aren't stupid; they probably already know what he's like. They're probably wondering why a lovely woman like you is even with him.

Can you take a friend in your community into your confidence and bounce of her (or him) what to say abut a potential break-up? It's easy for me to say who cares what people think, but we all do to a certain extent, and talking to a confidante who has your back will give you the courage you need to get rid of him. A problem shared really is a problem halved. Don't try to deal with all of this on your own.

newbiename · 29/08/2022 21:39

You need to get rid of him.
Block him.
If he gets with someone else- feel sorry for her.
I'd go as far as to move and change jobs to get away from him.

Muddledminx · 29/08/2022 21:45

Thingsneedtochange000 · 29/08/2022 08:04

Thank you

i feel so sad. I agree he is a narcissist
if I cut him off I’ll get accused of being angry and dramatic and like a “spoilt child.” He will then start sending threats like “if you don’t stop doing this I will do X.”

but then I fear if I block him completely (perhaps it’s the trauma bonding talking) I feel like I am losing something awful, like I will experience a terrible loss. Or he’ll find someone else very quickly, I’m sure he will

our communities are so interlinked we see each other a lot locally and at work, I would still have to continue seeing him while he hated / targeted me or made me out to be the crazy one

You could always just agree with him,.... say .....yep it's all my fault, I am a child, all the more reason for you to dump me, boo hoo sob sob. Goodbye hope you find someone more worthy soon. If he finds someone soon , feel pity for them, because he will soon be doing to her what he has been doing to you, manipulating and demeaning them. That is nothing to be envious of. It will only get worse. As for what you are losing, control manipulation and misery and that is all.

What is he threatening he will do ? Whatever it is, keep those messages and speak to someone in womens aid or the samaritans about them. If he escalates his threats then it's the police or I assume your mutual employer. Distance yourself as much as possible. Keep good records of what he is saying to you and threatening you with.

Phuckery · 29/08/2022 22:06

Sweetheart, he is setting you up and you are walking right into it. Absolutely no negatively ment towards you by saying that. Emotional games are insidious and destructive. Those type of men play the long game, chipping away one piece at a time. He will never look after your emotional wellbeing, he will continue to decimate it. I hope you find the strength to leave him and go on to find someone that would never treat you that way.

Jewel7 · 29/08/2022 22:09

He wanted control. Then you begged him. He kept using controlling behaviour. If he cared he would have been concerned you were upset by his behaviour. You said it was a joke. But it wasn’t it hurt. You need to walk away. It will get worse.

travailtotravel · 29/08/2022 22:12

It's not you. It's him. One for the bin, I'm afraid.

DottyLittleRainbow · 29/08/2022 22:12

Dump and block. This kind of behaviour will only escalate.

wellhelloitsme · 29/08/2022 23:34

Stop wondering why he is the way he is and start wondering why you've tolerated it.

And in the meantime, end the relationship.

It's a horrible dynamic that is damaging your confidence and making you question whether your expectations (someone being nice to you) are reasonable.

Toxic and sure to cause increasing tension and resentment.

This can't end well for you. Best end it ASAP.