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I think I am being completely head ducked

178 replies

Thingsneedtochange000 · 28/08/2022 22:34

Please tell me what you think of this kind of behaviour.

Last day of holiday with boyfriend. He is 50 I am 40. We are having a great time, out for lunch, by the beach, we have two separate flights to catch in the evening. We’ve spent four days together no problems.

we finish a bottle of wine at lunch, feeling a bit tipsy, I ask him to kiss me. Just a kiss on the lips not a snog. He says no. Okay. We go to the beach, hang out, laugh some more, swim in the sea. Literally leaning against each other, holding hands, making jokes. I ask him again to give me a kiss on the lips. Just a peck. He says no again. It becomes a bit of a joke. Me begging and him refusing, although I really did want to just be able to kiss him on the lips.

As we are waiting for the taxi and getting into the taxi to go to the airport the joke continues. I said please now we are about to go our separate ways I just want you to kiss me. He was very assertive, the tone completely changed and said “no sorry I really don’t want to.” I asked why. He said I just don’t want to and I have a right to not do something i don’t want to do.”

I am ashamed to say I cried because it was the last time I would see him for a while and he was talking to me as if I was forcing myself on him and he was some kind of victim of my sexual advances (bear in mind this is a three year long, emotional and sexual relationship we are in.)

as soon as I started crying (I was also a bit pissed) he sat back and said “my god, you are so pathetic.” This made me feel 100x worse I said why, why won’t you kiss me? Why is that pathetic we have done it thousands of times before? He said it’s completely pathetic I shouldn’t have to explain why.

I then got out of the taxi and stormed off with my bag and caught another taxi to the airport. He sent a series of texts saying again how my reaction is pathetic then told me he was turning off his phone and would not be checking messages. I got on the plane crying. And the same thing happens every time (the same thing but different has happened before,) I start to panic that I have done something stupid, that actually i am an awful, chaotic crazy person, who cannot respect other people’s boundaries and that I have fallen I to the trap of his stereotype of me. As this crazy, unhinged person who loses it and storms off over something small. So I send a view texts apologising for over reacting and saying how sorry I am and how I will respect his boundaries in the future. This is so confusing to me because I don’t feel I crossed his boundaries, just wanted something we normally do in the course of our relationship.

this is increasingly happening in our relationship. He will take a stand over something or over a principle. Something we usually do as matter or course or have done for several years already: like kissing, holding hands, talking about a certain topic. He will suddenly act like I am crossing a boundary and become formal with me , almost like he wants to see my reaction. The jarring nature of jovial and loving to formal, cold and spontaneous boundaries catches me off guard and I find it very upsetting and will often cry or beg him to tell me why he has suddenly become like that. He then has carte Blanche to say I am over emotional, over sensitive, getting upset over nothing. It’s just a boundary why can’t I respect that? Have I ever heard of #meetoo? He is a person who wants to respect his own principles and live by them. Why can’t I respect that?

why does he do this?

I am walking on eggshells, waiting for the next surprise or boundary, starting to fear getting it wrong. It has also created a physiological sense of heightened anxiety in me where I feel like I could lose him any second and I feel desperate to keep him. The time before when this happened, he blocked me on his phone for four days. It was hell and it was because I had caught him Out in a small white lie about his work. I wanted to understand why he did not tell the truth and was asking him gently. He accused me of being abusive and systematically abusing him over years.

please help what is going on?

OP posts:
Allmarbleslost · 29/08/2022 08:25

Run a mile op. And when you've done that run a couple more.

FTstepmum · 29/08/2022 08:29

CatherinedeBourgh · 29/08/2022 08:18

Maybe it's a headfuck, maybe it's not.

The question is why do you engage? If I asked dh for a kiss and he said he didn't want one, I just wouldn't ask him again.

You didn't need a kiss, you just kept asking because he had said no. It doesn't matter if he's done it before, if he doesn't want to now he doesn't have to. It is actually out of order to keep asking. If you hadn't made a thing of it, it would never have become a thing.

If dh wanted a kiss, I didn't and he kept asking, I would want it even less. I would feel that what I wanted was secondary to what he wanted, and that would put me off.

It takes two to tango on things like this. If you refuse to engage, he can't headfuck you. And whether in this relationship or in the next, the ability to accept that someone may not want something you want at a particular moment (even if they'd wanted it before) will serve you in good stead.

Oh dear Lord, help us...

OP, fully digest every post that has been written for you. But not this one.

Cornflakegirll · 29/08/2022 08:30

@FTstepmum could not agree more. Good lawd!

SucculentSunshine · 29/08/2022 08:32

Wow what a nasty piece of shit. Of course he has the right to say no but also to call you pathetic and offer no explanation as to why he won’t kiss you is just horrible.

UnshakenNeedsStirring · 29/08/2022 08:34

Why on earth are you with him? Doesn't sound like he has any redeeming qualities.

deeperthanallroses · 29/08/2022 08:34

Anything is better than being subjected to this. Instead of crying you should say I’m done, Im going to find a relationship where kissing me on a day out isn’t against their principles, we just aren’t compatible.

what you mean of course is he’s a narcissistic turd.

SunnyD44 · 29/08/2022 08:38

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SunnyD44 · 29/08/2022 08:41

It is actually quite EA to keep asking for a kiss even though the other person didn’t want one and then running off crying trying to make them feel bad.

How many times have women posted on here about their DH’s constantly asking for sex or keep touching them. even after they’ve said no and then trying make them feel guilty afterwards.

Every single reply is often that he’s a dick and she needs to LTB.

And it would be the exact same if OP had said he kept trying to kiss her and she didn’t want to so he ran off crying.

Blossomandbee · 29/08/2022 08:42

Block him then put anything in place that you can to avoid him at work and anywhere else.
He's abusing you and trying to make you doubt your own sanity. You will not be losing anything by leaving him I assure you.

AdamRyan · 29/08/2022 08:43

I would still have to continue seeing him while he hated / targeted me or made me out to be the crazy one
Noone is going to be interested and if he talks about it he will look like yhe unhinged one
If men tell me about their "crazy ex" at best I'm disinterested but more often it tells me they are a bad man. I've seen it enough times to correlate "crazy ex" with "narcissistic head fucker"
Please don't use what he might say or do as a reason to stay with him.

And read up on attachment psychology in adults. You aren't crazy or unhinged, you are completely normal.

alwaysmovingforwards · 29/08/2022 08:46

Sunnytwobridges · 28/08/2022 22:46

Sounds like he’s checking out/checked out of the relationship

Agree

YoSofi · 29/08/2022 08:51

Please read up on the cycle of abuse and trauma bonds.

This is not a healthy relationship. The longer you stay, the more he will damage you emotionally and mentally, and then he’s likely to discard you anyway.

You need to end this relationship and stay single for a while to heal and work on yourself. It doesn’t matter what he does afterwards, the focus should be on YOU.

This won’t end well OP, I promise you. You need to get out now.

SquirrelSoShiny · 29/08/2022 08:52

God it all sounds exhausting. Walk away, pick your self esteem up off the floor.

FTstepmum · 29/08/2022 08:55

SunnyD44 · 29/08/2022 08:41

It is actually quite EA to keep asking for a kiss even though the other person didn’t want one and then running off crying trying to make them feel bad.

How many times have women posted on here about their DH’s constantly asking for sex or keep touching them. even after they’ve said no and then trying make them feel guilty afterwards.

Every single reply is often that he’s a dick and she needs to LTB.

And it would be the exact same if OP had said he kept trying to kiss her and she didn’t want to so he ran off crying.

OP, please ignore this other head duck too.

To clarify, you are 100% being abused by this man. Please leave him before his cruelty destroys you.

girlmom21 · 29/08/2022 08:58

I know this is a serious thread but I can't stop laughing at everyone's head duck autocorrects 🦆

0live · 29/08/2022 08:59

Thingsneedtochange000 · 29/08/2022 08:04

Thank you

i feel so sad. I agree he is a narcissist
if I cut him off I’ll get accused of being angry and dramatic and like a “spoilt child.” He will then start sending threats like “if you don’t stop doing this I will do X.”

but then I fear if I block him completely (perhaps it’s the trauma bonding talking) I feel like I am losing something awful, like I will experience a terrible loss. Or he’ll find someone else very quickly, I’m sure he will

our communities are so interlinked we see each other a lot locally and at work, I would still have to continue seeing him while he hated / targeted me or made me out to be the crazy one

Just do exactly what @Isaidnoalready said . Do not feed his own need for drama.

Don’t reply to any of his messages or threats.

Don’t go around telling everyone “ your side of the story “. Just “ it wasn’t working anymore / things had run their course / I wish him well “ etc.

After you have ended it, Do not email him, message him or contact him in any way whatsoever . Do not meet up for a coffee.

You do not need closure, you need therapy .

You WILL be upset , that’s only natural after 3 years. Please go for counselling / read books / join an online support group and work out why you picked him and why you stayed.

AND DONT DATE ANYONE . This is so important.

And yes he will find some else almost immediately, you need to accept this. then he will be mind fucking someone else and destroying her self esteem, instead of yours. And you will be free.

SunnyD44 · 29/08/2022 08:59

@FTstepmum are you seriously saying that if OP posted that her DH kept asking for a kiss or for sex and she said no but he kept on and because she kept saying no he ran off crying or gave her the silent treatment - you would say that OP was the abusive one and he was completely in the right?

That’s complete BS and you know it.

There’s no way anyone on here would call the person who didn’t want to kiss someone abusive.

girlmom21 · 29/08/2022 09:01

SunnyD44 · 29/08/2022 08:59

@FTstepmum are you seriously saying that if OP posted that her DH kept asking for a kiss or for sex and she said no but he kept on and because she kept saying no he ran off crying or gave her the silent treatment - you would say that OP was the abusive one and he was completely in the right?

That’s complete BS and you know it.

There’s no way anyone on here would call the person who didn’t want to kiss someone abusive.

I actually completely agree. If the OP had said he'd been harassing her for kisses and she didn't want to and his insistence had put her off kissing him completely everyone would tell her to LTB.

RitzyTitzy · 29/08/2022 09:03

My ex used to do this. Funnily enough once about kissing. Another time I remember it was about saying I love you (about 8 years into the relationship!). Looking back it was a control thing for him. I also think he wasn't happy in the relationship and so would use these things to punish me.

FTstepmum · 29/08/2022 09:07

SunnyD44 · 29/08/2022 08:59

@FTstepmum are you seriously saying that if OP posted that her DH kept asking for a kiss or for sex and she said no but he kept on and because she kept saying no he ran off crying or gave her the silent treatment - you would say that OP was the abusive one and he was completely in the right?

That’s complete BS and you know it.

There’s no way anyone on here would call the person who didn’t want to kiss someone abusive.

Sunny, you don't understand what's happening to the OP.

She is being abused by a hateful man.

Creepymanonagoatfarm · 29/08/2022 09:07

Delete every message or you will tie yourself in knots rereading them all. Delete his number.. And block. If there is chance you may see him make sure you have a witness.. Then he can't make out you are acting crazy.

LovelyDaaling · 29/08/2022 09:09

Stop making excuses to yourself for why you shouldn't block him. So what if he makes out you are crazy. Don't drag it out so that he drops you on his terms or continues to test and control you.
Block him before he unblocks you and never unblock him. He's poison. This is a temporary unhappiness for you. Staying with him will make it permanent.

AdamRyan · 29/08/2022 09:10

SunnyD44 · 29/08/2022 08:59

@FTstepmum are you seriously saying that if OP posted that her DH kept asking for a kiss or for sex and she said no but he kept on and because she kept saying no he ran off crying or gave her the silent treatment - you would say that OP was the abusive one and he was completely in the right?

That’s complete BS and you know it.

There’s no way anyone on here would call the person who didn’t want to kiss someone abusive.

She didn't ask for sex or some massive snog. She asked for a kiss.
Stop trying to equate her request with sex pest men. It makes you look like a fool.

SunnyD44 · 29/08/2022 09:10

Sunny, you don't understand what's happening to the OP.

She is being abused by a hateful man.

So Sarah and Bob are in a relationship.

Bob wants to kiss Sarah but Sarah doesn’t want to, so Bob keeps on asking.

Sarah sticks to her guns and sternly says no she doesn’t not want to kiss him.

Bob goes off in a huff crying because he didn’t get what he wants.

Yet you’re saying that it’s Sarah that’s the abusive one because she wouldn’t give Bob a kiss?

CannibalQueen · 29/08/2022 09:11

I have a feeling that your attention is useful to him. He gets sex, company on his terms. I'd have to consider whether it's worth investing any more time. I'm NOT a touchy feely person and I couldn't bear to be with someone who was very touchy feely. We'd both be happier with other people. I think you need someone who doesn't mind PDA.