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The ex wife wants him back..

233 replies

CapriSun090 · 14/07/2022 14:40

Hi all, I was just hoping for some words of wisdom on how to deal with this situation because it is very raw and I feel very emotional. Please look at this objectively and I ask that the first response isn't "throw this one back" I just need some advice on what to do if anything.

I met a guy of tinder some while ago, he was very open from the get go and said he was separated but not yet divorced. He explained his wife and him drifted apart owing to the nature of his work and lock down making it worse. They share a pre-teenage daughter whom he sees at weekends.

Twice during the relationship he told me I deserved better and tried to push me away, but I told him no, I took a chance on him because he was decent and kind, made me feel like I mattered and I truly believed he was my one.

Some months went past and we have settled nicely into a relationship and then he is due for promotion at his work place. His workplace want him to spend some time overseas also.

Upon handovers with his wife he informed her of this and this has started to pique her interest.
A further two times he told me she got upset that he was going away and that he should be accompanying her and their daughter on a trip abroad they have in the summer instead of going overseas to work.

I have to stress this man has been nothing but open and honest with me about everything, I fully believe he was/is separated and wasn't just biding his time.

This week, his wife asked to meet with him after work and he went there and she has in essence said they should put their differences aside and try again for the sake of their daughter.

This prompted him to immediately send me a war and peace message with how much he loves me but he wants more time with his daughter and he is torn.

We spoke on the phone and please believe me when I say he was distraught, over and over again he kept telling me he loved me, I have never known anyone to have been so upset. He said he loves me, but he also loves his daughter and having the chance to have her back home as he missed out on the early years through work it is pulling him greatly. He said he thought we should seperate whilst he thought about things as it wasn't fair to me to keep me waiting.

I was brutally honest with him on the phone and said that if he goes back, to never contact me ever again if this doesn't work out.

He said a life going back to his wife would be miserable and they would be more like brother and sister or house mates, there is zero passion in their relationship and he is not in love with her... even he said he did not know how he would be able to do it, but he is considering it for the sake of his daughter.

We exchanged various WhatsApp's over the course of the evening and he reiterated that he has not said yes to her and that he has just said he needs time to think because it has been almost three years of separation.

When I went to sleep, he sent me a message whilst I was asleep to tell me he couldn't have me walk out of his life and he'll tell her no, the current set up with his daughter is working fine and after his promotion he is likely not even get to see her that much during the week in any case.

In essence, this feels to me like he acted in haste by messaging me immediately after meeting his wife and he regrets it.

Just to be clear, it is the wife that wants him back and not the other way around.

I told him I am angry in the way in which he has handled things, and thought we would deal with this together rather than him saying we should separate via text message, this felt so disrespectful.

I am now torn as to what to do, he is about go away for several weeks and I will not see him (no he isn't going away with the wife)

I have been proud and not messaged him since we spoke last.

To be honest, I feel pretty heartbroken.

I feel like I was just an after thought and he had absolutely no respect for me whatsoever to send me a message.

I feel like he will forever be beholden to the wife and that she has this hold over him with his daughter as the daughter lives full time with her (he only sees her at weekends)

He's expressed he cannot let me walk out of his life after consideration and is begging me not to block and delete him, however once again, I feel like an afterthought.

Please tell me what I should do because every fibre of my being wants to call him to say ok let's try again, but the pride in me is refraining because I told him he would only have one chance of happiness.

Does he sound genuine? a chancer? like someone who has made a mistake?

I just don't know.

OP posts:
TooHotToTangoToo · 15/07/2022 07:03

Some people are people pleasers, some people don't do the right thing or stumble along the way, he took his time and didn't do it the way you would have, but he's done what you wanted him to.

It might be a case he's scared of his ex reaction and how that might impact his relationship with his dc. If I was a man, I'd probably tread very carefully around an ex to ensure she didn't ruin my relationship with my dc too.

diamondpony80 · 15/07/2022 07:18

You ARE an afterthought unfortunately. She's his wife. They have a long history and a child together. I have no doubt that he has feelings for you, but men like that are never truly honest about the extent of the relationship with their "ex". Of course he's going to say all the right things and tell you what you want to hear. It sounds like in this situation at any time he could decide to go back to her. Wait until your relationship hits a rocky patch and you'll see.

KatherineJaneway · 15/07/2022 07:22

CapriSun090 · 14/07/2022 20:20

So a 360 happened. I received a very emotional phone call to say he's told her about us and he's put out there exactly how he feels about me and its up to me whether I believe it or not but he has told her he can't go back to the marriage but still wants to be a good and present father.
Not sure what my next move is.

Next move is to ask when he plans to start divorce proceedings. Any excuse to not move forwards should be treated as a huge red flag.

Sunbun19 · 15/07/2022 07:30

girlmom21 · 14/07/2022 15:02

He was hoping you'd let him live with her in their 'sexless' marriage and still let him keep you as his side piece.

Yeah 100%

HomeAndHome · 15/07/2022 07:34

They have a long way to go before they are truly separate. Get out now, leave them to disentangle themselves. Tears and drama, no way to start a relationship. Run OP.

ZenNudist · 15/07/2022 07:37

TLDR
Dump

gogogadgetgo · 15/07/2022 07:43

You deserve better.

If we believe you this is a nice guy who's been open and honest with you from the start. He's still a guy who doesn't know what the fuck he wants.

Maybe he is decent. They drifted apart. But after three years he's kept that door open. He didn't tell her about you. Met with her to discuss them as a couple.

Being upset and emotional about it doesn't make it any better. He's still a man who is flim flamming between the pair of you.

I feel you're going to ignore the 'ltb' brigade because they don't understand. Only you can see how emotionally wrought he is and sincere.

That's why I'm trying to say even giving him the benefit of the doubt it's still a situation to walk away from. You deserve someone who is 100% available.

Vikinga · 15/07/2022 09:11

Outlyingtrout · 14/07/2022 20:31

So he was utterly distraught about not seeing his daughter but then decided to go for a promotion which will limit his opportunities to see her further 🤔 and despite all the drama and proclamations that he misses his kid so much that he can't cope, he just decided actually he didn't need to go back to his wife because after the new job starts he won't have chance to see the child anyway.

Yeah he sounds like a prince.

I don't think he really gives a shit about any of you. I think he was testing you out (early days with the "you deserve better" crap and then currently with all this "I love you but I must return to my wife" stuff) and you've clung to him like a limpet at every turn so he feels like you're a secure bet. He also is happy to string his poor wife along when it suits. And he enjoys the brownie points he gets from claiming to be such a loving father that he's heartbroken at being separated from his child, whilst actively making lifestyle choices that cause that separation.

This.

Honestly op you've fallen for his bs hook, line and sinker. Who the f tells someone they're not good enough for the person they're dating?

And all that drama.

Problem is that you're listening to what he says about himself and not looking at his actions. And you're completely ignoring all the contradictions.

KettrickenSmiled · 15/07/2022 10:16

So a 360 happened.
Freudian slip here.

I think you meant a 180 ... which would reverse the current position.
A 360 means that he has arrived at exactly the same position he started at.
Which, sadly, is entirely likely the way it will pan out.

KettrickenSmiled · 15/07/2022 10:21

If I was a man, I'd probably tread very carefully around an ex to ensure she didn't ruin my relationship with my dc too.

How sexist. Why?
Is parental alienation the sole preserve of women?

Despite how many threads we see here from women gritting their teeth & ensuring their DC get to preserve a relationship with their father - despite how badly that father has behaved?
Despite how many men just walk away or do occaisional Disney Dadding? Despite how many men just refuse to pay for their kids, or step up & do the drudge work, both pre & post-divorce?

thenewduchessoflapland · 15/07/2022 10:26

Only you can make the decision to stay with him here but you need to think carefully about how this situation will affect you;if you remain in a relationship with him you'll be forever dealing with a resentful ex wife who'll no doubt make your lives difficult.

Also why isn't he actually divorced yet?;he's still legally and financially beholden to his ex.

Do you want to be back here posting in 3 years time how you're DP/DH's ExW is making you're life a nightmare?

vroom321 · 15/07/2022 10:31

Have you met the daughter?
Have you been to his?
Where does he stay?
How long have you been together?
Saying pre teen makes the child sound older. Do you mean she's 10/11??

Spohn · 15/07/2022 10:46

Why has he not bothered to divorce? Why has he not bothered getting court ordered 50/50 access to his kid?

All sounds like a load of hassle just for the sake of having a boyfriend, who could be arsed with this shit?

Andromachehadabadday · 15/07/2022 11:03

There’s was thread so similar to this. I think last year. Hiding the gf from the ex wife, the ex wife being weirdly involved and dying for him back etc. man even too the girlfriend he wanted a baby with her asap and could tell the ex then. He wanted to marry her and have a life with her and all the children between them.

man tells ex wife, only due to girlfriend insistence. The latest update, a while later, being that he only ever made any commitment when the girlfriend dumped him. Then would go back on it anyway. Op realised he had been leading her on all along.

and like this op she was insistent she knew the full story. But didn’t.

Op as you have a child to consider, I hope you dump this man. Actually dump. Not as a power move. And try be less naive with the next man.

really I can’t see the point anyway. He will be working away and will barely see his daughter. So when he is back, as he wants to be a full and present parent he will be spending a lot of time concentrating on her. One on one. Not spending time with her and your child and you altogether. The vast majority will be concentrated on her, surely?

hotcoldnotsold · 15/07/2022 11:42

CapriSun090 · 14/07/2022 20:20

So a 360 happened. I received a very emotional phone call to say he's told her about us and he's put out there exactly how he feels about me and its up to me whether I believe it or not but he has told her he can't go back to the marriage but still wants to be a good and present father.
Not sure what my next move is.

When is he finalising the divorce though? Everything else is irrelevant as he is still a married man. If he was that invested in you, he'd have started the divorce process ages ago or be talking about how/when it was going to happen.

You're still the mistress, you realise? Why would you date someone who isn't even in the process of divorcing for the love of god?!

hotcoldnotsold · 15/07/2022 11:46

Maybe he is decent. They drifted apart. But after three years he's kept that door open. He didn't tell her about you. Met with her to discuss them as a couple.

Exactly this. After 3 years, he is still not completely over her and never ever shut the door. That means the entire time you were falling in love, half his heart was still with his wife. His wife. Honestly OP, dating a separated man only works if they're in the process of divorcing. He isn't and likely won't be. He's only now figuring out what he wants and not at all ready for a relationship.

Rainbowqueeen · 15/07/2022 11:52

Next move should be to tell him to contact you again once his divorce is final. Until then it’s just words.

layladomino · 15/07/2022 12:09

I was about to say what Rainbowqueen said...

Ask him to look you up when he is divorced and has put their relationship in the past, and sorted himself out to be the best possible father to his child. If you're still single you might consider dating again. But you aren't going to wait around for him.

If he's a decent person he'll understand your position, espeically considering he was considering going back to her just a couple of conversations ago. Why would he want to stay married?

If he doesn't want to be with his wife, because they've been living apart this long, a divorce should be very straightforward, and he can get it sorted in a few months. If it isn't straightforward, then one or both of them doesn't want to split, and you're better off well away from it.

Don't let him think you remain as an option, while ever he remains married.

jojogoesbust · 15/07/2022 12:21

Hi OP

I just came here to give my perspective. Me and my ex DH have been seperated for 3 years. I had tried to divorce and he kept refusing in the early days, then we had lockdown which slowed everything down.
Then he met someone in March, as soon as he knew it was serious, he filed for divorce and we are about at Decree Nisi stage. I would say to him that he has to file or you end things. If he still has an attachment to his ex that is how you will know, if he won't divorce.
Good luck

HandbagsnGladrags · 15/07/2022 12:23

I've been there and it didn't end well. Get rid.

maddy68 · 15/07/2022 12:28

He has a lot of history and ahe is the mother of his children. He is still invested. She wants him back. They are going to get back together. You need to accept that and move on. Sorry!

curiouslypacific · 15/07/2022 12:43

His words and actions don't match up at all OP.

Words:
I'm considering going back to my wife so I can spend more time with my daughter
Action:
I missed out on most of her childhood by working away. I'm taking another role abroad, thus missing more. I only see her on weekends (standard these days is 50/50 shared care).

Words:
It's over with my wife and I want to be with you
Actions:
I still haven't divorced my wife. I'm considering going back to her (although I'll tell you that I'm not really when you challenge it)

Words:
I love you, you mean the world to me
Actions:
I'll tell you I'm going back to my wife over whatsapp

Words:
You're too good for me and deserve better
Action
I won't let you move on when I treat you so badly you want to end it.

I don't know what is going on in his head or between him and his wife, but when someone's words and actions don't align you can be certain they're not being 'open and honest' with you.

AMindNeedsBooks · 15/07/2022 13:10

Why was he emotional talking about telling his wife about you?

Why did he think you might not believe it?

So, his wife has just asked for him back (presumably because she likes living in an unhappy marriage?), he's said no, then told her out the blue he's been seeing someone and no mention of the reaction?

Have you seen ANY physical proof of anything he has told you or is it just his word?

How do you know he's not actually away on holiday with his wife?

CapriSun090 · 15/07/2022 14:50

So I've taken steps and ended things with him because several people have made me see that if he truly wanted to be with me, he would do something about it..
He's not emotionally available to commit to me as long as he remains married.
He's married to his career and beholden to his wife as she has the power.
I deserve more and I know I will see that eventually however hurt I feel right now.. I've ended it with him and now blocked and deleted him.. If I mean anything to him, he'll divorce his wife and find me, but I can't sit around and wait for that day.
I'll just focus on me and my little girl now x

OP posts:
vroom321 · 15/07/2022 14:52

How long were you together