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Dumped because I have children

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waveybaby · 24/06/2022 08:14

First post... but I read on here all the time and you're all so lovely. Looking for support really.

I've been divorced three years and have three lovely children. I've been dating here and there since this time but I'd never really met anyone that made me feel like I'd want anything more with them.

Last year I met a lovely man who really blew my mind. We enjoyed spending time together so much, had lots of fun. He just felt like no one I had ever met before. He'd been single for 3 years, hadn't been dating and just seemed to really know what he wanted and had his shit together. Things progressed at a nice pace, we dated for around 6 weeks, then decided to make to exclusive (even though we weren't seeing other people anyway for the initial bit) and then a couple of months later decided to put the "title" on things. I didn't feel love-bombed at the time.... I'm so cautious and I think the fact that he'd been single and cautious himself for so long made me feel that he must really be genuine about me, as I was him. We were together a year in total.

He has always, always known that I have 3 children. We are both early 30s. He would like a child or 2 of his own one day, and when things started to get a bit more serious we had these discussions and I told him for the right person I would have more children. I know a year isn't a long time but due to both our ages and the fact he hasn't got any of his own it seemed reasonable to have the discussions so we didn't waste each other's time.

After making things "official" he was very excited for me to meet his family, friends, workmates... took me to events, his sisters wedding, anniversaries. Everything just seemed so great and I couldn't believe my luck tbh.

At around the 5 month point of the relationship, he had a massive wobble. This was after a family dinner where he had exploded at his mother and stormed off. I'd never seen him like this. When we got home, he told me that he was anxious, agitated and just not happy at the moment. He said he needed to concentrate on work, and himself. He also mentioned my children and not being sure about three children and potentially hurting all of us if things didn't work out (he hadn't met them at this point). I was in complete shock as I never saw any signs up until this night that he was unhappy, everything had seemed perfect. I was upset, but I accepted what he said gracefully, left, and went N/C. It blindsided me so I really felt it.

2 weeks later he got in contact and told me he was so sorry, that he was having issues with his M/H and had hurt the people he cares about most in the process, myself and his family. He asked to meet up and discuss things. I cared about him so much, so I did. He discussed his feelings for me, how much he loved me and how strongly he felt for me, that he'd never met anyone like me. He seemed genuinely sorry, said he was overwhelmed with feelings for me and when he's in a bad place he pushes people away. I do accept he was in a bad place, he has a job in the public eye and has a lot of professional pressure. He said he'd thought about the children and that it was just something said when he was trying to push me away.

Since this time things seemed to go from strength to strength, we were closer than ever. I told him I was happy to take it slow with the children, however a month later he pushed to meet them. Everything went well, however have still be taking it slow. I have 50:50 so plenty of time together on our own. We ended up staying together 2 weeks of the month and beginning to live a lovely little normal life together. He invited the children and I to events and things in his life. A couple of months ago he asked for his parents to meet the children. I let him know I was wary of this, however he reassured me and said it meant a lot to him, so I went a long with it. Through all his words and actions I really, truly thought he was genuine. He told me he was "all in", and how happy he was. He only a few weeks ago told me he wanted my children to know he "wasn't just a friend".

A 2 weeks ago, he began to go into a bad place mentally again. He decided to take a break from work for mental health, it looks like his career may be at an end and it's hitting him hard. I was so worried about him, and I've tried to support him however I can. I had a bit of anxiety surround the last time he struggled with his mental health, how I was essentially "cut off". I communicated this to him and he told me it was absolutely nothing to do with us, that he is so happy personally and that it is just work. He told me he never wanted to be apart from me ever, and that he needed to get himself better.

However- here we are. He ended things, again. I went to see him at the start of the week. He told me how much he loves me, how he knows he will never meet anyone like me, how great our relationship is. His reason for ending it was because of the children, that he just "can't get his head to accept it", and worries about the future and having potentially 4 or 5 little ones to take care of. He cried and cried and cried when he told me this. He said he will love me for a "long long time" and knew that breaking up with me would push him into an even darker place, however ultimately he didn't think it was fair on me to continue when this is in the back of his mind.

I accepted this, however I did ask him why he has chosen to continue the relationship, allow things to get more serious (in fact push for things to be more serious himself), if he wasn't quite sure. Again, he has always known I've got children and has had a few opportunities to opt out now, including at 5 months in. He didn't need to come back and could have left things and let me move on. He told me that he felt so strongly and deeply about me that he felt he needed to give it a fair chance. I asked if he'd had these feelings for long (as again, I had no indication) and he admitted that it had only been since he mental health went down hill a couple of weeks ago.

Obviously I'm blindsided and devastated again, I love and care for this man so so much. But of course I know if I am to meet someone it needs to be someone who can accept that part of my life. He's continued to text me since, telling me how much he loves me. I don't want to hold out hope of patching things up again, as I know if we did I couldn't keep going through this potentially every so many months.

How do I begin to feel better? I'm struggling with the thought of trusting anyone or ever letting another person in again. I also miss him so much already. I am properly heartbroken. Part of me feels the children is an easy reason to end things, as it's not something I can change, part of me feels like he is using it as a reason to push me away again, however I need to accept it.

OP posts:
SistersRdoingit4themselves · 01/07/2022 17:52

I think he is doing this to keep his options open. All the messages and then hes had to work a bit harder so he sent you some flowers. Hes trying to find out if you have left the door slightly open for him incase he decided to pop back in to your life and fuck it up for a bit. Think you are right with N/C. Permanant N/C.

waveybaby · 01/07/2022 19:35

I'm not going to lie I'm finding it very, very difficult. However I've made it a week with no contact and I'm proud of myself.

When things were good they were so good. All the lovely memories keep popping into my mind. I have cried a lot, and I miss him terribly. However I know this isn't good for me, or my children.

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slowcookerforone · 01/07/2022 21:21

It's ok to be upset, healthy in fact.

I don't think it would be healthy to go back - he's shown you that he's not long term and if you have children that's not fair on them.

AubadeIsIt · 01/07/2022 23:39

He sounds like an immature hot mess who uses MH issues as an excuse for his behaviour. Stay strong, someone else much better is out there when you're ready to date again. Don't listen to posters telling you to stay alone for years because you have children, ridiculous. You have 50% of your time to yourself, it's completely compatible with having a partner and being the parent you want to be. Good luck!Flowers

SausageAndCash · 02/07/2022 07:15

Well done for getting to a week with no contact OP. Hard but very much the best thing for your children and you.

Each week will be a little less hard, I hope.

SquirrelSoShiny · 02/07/2022 07:51

You're doing well OP but do block him.

SquirrelSoShiny · 02/07/2022 07:54

Does anyone know the name of Natasha Adamo's book? It's not coming up on Amazon.

Purplefoxes · 02/07/2022 07:58

@waveybaby don't blame yourself, I think this one could be a covert narcissist, much harder to spot that your common garden overt narcissist. Their mask is well and truely glued on at all times.

They are great at mirroring you reflecting your feelings back and telling you everything you want to hear. They are often the future fakers (I want to have kids etc). But it's not necessarily what they really feel inside.

They don't outright abuse, instead it's less easy to spot as they carry out a push me pull you routine. Push you away only to reel you back in and create drama where none is needed. They actually don't realise themselves this is what they are doing and if you point it out they become angry and will blame other factors, work, mental health, family etc ad infinitem.

If you start to pull away from this cycle they will work very hard to reel you back (think the flowers and friends texts (flying monkeys). Why do they do this? Because the drama creates their narcissistic supply which they feed off.

I think there is a small part of him with awareness/conscience that realises this is not good for your kids which is why he knows he shouldn't mess with you...but not enough as he is still doing it!

His so called mental health issues...diagnosed by a doctor? He is doing anything about it? Or is a sob story and trying to excuse his narcisstic drama creating and make you feel sorry for him.

How a man treats his mother is also very revealing. Feel like the mask may actually have slipped a bit there and he showed a bit of his true self which was quite out of character to you it sounds. I would think there is some parental relationship dynamic there which could be behind this behaviour which is often learned from observing parents relationships...you don't know at this stage whether his family are also 'keeping up appearances of the happy family'.

Anyway, no use agonising over it, don't get suckered back in, you've doged a bullet. Don't think 'what if this time he's genuine'....hes not. He's just missing his narcissist supply. This cycle would continue on and on and on damaging your kids in the process and their future relationships. You don't want it, block them all and move on, you don't even need to give a reason actions speak louder than words.

LadyWithLapdog · 02/07/2022 08:11

Whatever his MH issues are, if he has good periods when he thinks logically and clearly, he should be doing something about it. I think you’ve mentioned counselling. He doesn’t sound ready yet. You don’t owe him the “in health and in illness “ part. He needs to sort himself out. And if it’s not a MH problem he’s an arse and still needs to sort himself out.

Isthisit22 · 02/07/2022 08:14

Please don't be fooled by the flowers OP.
It's absolutely textbook. He is merely upset that you're being strong and coping without him. He is all ego so this lack of reaction from you is probably driving him crazy. It's always been and will always be about him.
Block him and move on

hattie43 · 02/07/2022 08:22

He is too unpredictable. Sadly you need to block him and move on .

You cannot expose your children to someone so fickle struggling with MH issues .

Dic · 02/07/2022 08:53

He's been clear, and now probably just wants sex or something.

Keep string with the n/c, you're worth more and your kids don't deserve to be considered a burden.

waveybaby · 02/07/2022 08:54

Purplefoxes · 02/07/2022 07:58

@waveybaby don't blame yourself, I think this one could be a covert narcissist, much harder to spot that your common garden overt narcissist. Their mask is well and truely glued on at all times.

They are great at mirroring you reflecting your feelings back and telling you everything you want to hear. They are often the future fakers (I want to have kids etc). But it's not necessarily what they really feel inside.

They don't outright abuse, instead it's less easy to spot as they carry out a push me pull you routine. Push you away only to reel you back in and create drama where none is needed. They actually don't realise themselves this is what they are doing and if you point it out they become angry and will blame other factors, work, mental health, family etc ad infinitem.

If you start to pull away from this cycle they will work very hard to reel you back (think the flowers and friends texts (flying monkeys). Why do they do this? Because the drama creates their narcissistic supply which they feed off.

I think there is a small part of him with awareness/conscience that realises this is not good for your kids which is why he knows he shouldn't mess with you...but not enough as he is still doing it!

His so called mental health issues...diagnosed by a doctor? He is doing anything about it? Or is a sob story and trying to excuse his narcisstic drama creating and make you feel sorry for him.

How a man treats his mother is also very revealing. Feel like the mask may actually have slipped a bit there and he showed a bit of his true self which was quite out of character to you it sounds. I would think there is some parental relationship dynamic there which could be behind this behaviour which is often learned from observing parents relationships...you don't know at this stage whether his family are also 'keeping up appearances of the happy family'.

Anyway, no use agonising over it, don't get suckered back in, you've doged a bullet. Don't think 'what if this time he's genuine'....hes not. He's just missing his narcissist supply. This cycle would continue on and on and on damaging your kids in the process and their future relationships. You don't want it, block them all and move on, you don't even need to give a reason actions speak louder than words.

I have considered whether he is some sort of narcissist, however I'm wary of trying to find a label to explain why he doesn't want to be with me. As for mirroring, I don't think there was any of that. We do have slightly different love languages. He used to talk about the future a lot more than I ever did. Maybe just a future faker.

And he is diagnosed with depression and anxiety, he was on medication for this for some years but then had a good spell from what I understand and came off. He's now back in therapy/having CBT. I believe the MH is very genuine, however doesn't excuse the behaviour.

OP posts:
waveybaby · 02/07/2022 08:56

Isthisit22 · 02/07/2022 08:14

Please don't be fooled by the flowers OP.
It's absolutely textbook. He is merely upset that you're being strong and coping without him. He is all ego so this lack of reaction from you is probably driving him crazy. It's always been and will always be about him.
Block him and move on

Although we ended it "nicely", I still find the flowers such an odd thing to do given he's ended things. Surely if you have ended things, the best thing to do is let the other person heal and move on- not send them a reminder of you less than 2 weeks later.

OP posts:
waveybaby · 02/07/2022 09:05

Dic · 02/07/2022 08:53

He's been clear, and now probably just wants sex or something.

Keep string with the n/c, you're worth more and your kids don't deserve to be considered a burden.

I don't even think it is sex. Before we met he had been celibate for a considerable amount of time... he's not into casual sex at all. I know men will tell you what you want to hear, but this has become an ongoing joke in his friendship group (whom I grew close to and got along with v well).

After his last relationship he seemed to be taking a careful and considered approach to life and relationships. That's why I thought he was really serious about me.

I have considered whether he has an avoidant attachment style as well.

At the end of the day I can't fix him, and my children come first, always x

OP posts:
velvetvixen · 02/07/2022 09:44

He's determined for you not to move on.You must think about him always.

Isthisit22 · 03/07/2022 08:04

waveybaby · 02/07/2022 08:56

Although we ended it "nicely", I still find the flowers such an odd thing to do given he's ended things. Surely if you have ended things, the best thing to do is let the other person heal and move on- not send them a reminder of you less than 2 weeks later.

You are completely right about how a decent person would leave the person they hurt alone to heal. So... What does that tell you about him?

You are finding it hard to get your head around because you are lovely. He is not.

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