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Dumped because I have children

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waveybaby · 24/06/2022 08:14

First post... but I read on here all the time and you're all so lovely. Looking for support really.

I've been divorced three years and have three lovely children. I've been dating here and there since this time but I'd never really met anyone that made me feel like I'd want anything more with them.

Last year I met a lovely man who really blew my mind. We enjoyed spending time together so much, had lots of fun. He just felt like no one I had ever met before. He'd been single for 3 years, hadn't been dating and just seemed to really know what he wanted and had his shit together. Things progressed at a nice pace, we dated for around 6 weeks, then decided to make to exclusive (even though we weren't seeing other people anyway for the initial bit) and then a couple of months later decided to put the "title" on things. I didn't feel love-bombed at the time.... I'm so cautious and I think the fact that he'd been single and cautious himself for so long made me feel that he must really be genuine about me, as I was him. We were together a year in total.

He has always, always known that I have 3 children. We are both early 30s. He would like a child or 2 of his own one day, and when things started to get a bit more serious we had these discussions and I told him for the right person I would have more children. I know a year isn't a long time but due to both our ages and the fact he hasn't got any of his own it seemed reasonable to have the discussions so we didn't waste each other's time.

After making things "official" he was very excited for me to meet his family, friends, workmates... took me to events, his sisters wedding, anniversaries. Everything just seemed so great and I couldn't believe my luck tbh.

At around the 5 month point of the relationship, he had a massive wobble. This was after a family dinner where he had exploded at his mother and stormed off. I'd never seen him like this. When we got home, he told me that he was anxious, agitated and just not happy at the moment. He said he needed to concentrate on work, and himself. He also mentioned my children and not being sure about three children and potentially hurting all of us if things didn't work out (he hadn't met them at this point). I was in complete shock as I never saw any signs up until this night that he was unhappy, everything had seemed perfect. I was upset, but I accepted what he said gracefully, left, and went N/C. It blindsided me so I really felt it.

2 weeks later he got in contact and told me he was so sorry, that he was having issues with his M/H and had hurt the people he cares about most in the process, myself and his family. He asked to meet up and discuss things. I cared about him so much, so I did. He discussed his feelings for me, how much he loved me and how strongly he felt for me, that he'd never met anyone like me. He seemed genuinely sorry, said he was overwhelmed with feelings for me and when he's in a bad place he pushes people away. I do accept he was in a bad place, he has a job in the public eye and has a lot of professional pressure. He said he'd thought about the children and that it was just something said when he was trying to push me away.

Since this time things seemed to go from strength to strength, we were closer than ever. I told him I was happy to take it slow with the children, however a month later he pushed to meet them. Everything went well, however have still be taking it slow. I have 50:50 so plenty of time together on our own. We ended up staying together 2 weeks of the month and beginning to live a lovely little normal life together. He invited the children and I to events and things in his life. A couple of months ago he asked for his parents to meet the children. I let him know I was wary of this, however he reassured me and said it meant a lot to him, so I went a long with it. Through all his words and actions I really, truly thought he was genuine. He told me he was "all in", and how happy he was. He only a few weeks ago told me he wanted my children to know he "wasn't just a friend".

A 2 weeks ago, he began to go into a bad place mentally again. He decided to take a break from work for mental health, it looks like his career may be at an end and it's hitting him hard. I was so worried about him, and I've tried to support him however I can. I had a bit of anxiety surround the last time he struggled with his mental health, how I was essentially "cut off". I communicated this to him and he told me it was absolutely nothing to do with us, that he is so happy personally and that it is just work. He told me he never wanted to be apart from me ever, and that he needed to get himself better.

However- here we are. He ended things, again. I went to see him at the start of the week. He told me how much he loves me, how he knows he will never meet anyone like me, how great our relationship is. His reason for ending it was because of the children, that he just "can't get his head to accept it", and worries about the future and having potentially 4 or 5 little ones to take care of. He cried and cried and cried when he told me this. He said he will love me for a "long long time" and knew that breaking up with me would push him into an even darker place, however ultimately he didn't think it was fair on me to continue when this is in the back of his mind.

I accepted this, however I did ask him why he has chosen to continue the relationship, allow things to get more serious (in fact push for things to be more serious himself), if he wasn't quite sure. Again, he has always known I've got children and has had a few opportunities to opt out now, including at 5 months in. He didn't need to come back and could have left things and let me move on. He told me that he felt so strongly and deeply about me that he felt he needed to give it a fair chance. I asked if he'd had these feelings for long (as again, I had no indication) and he admitted that it had only been since he mental health went down hill a couple of weeks ago.

Obviously I'm blindsided and devastated again, I love and care for this man so so much. But of course I know if I am to meet someone it needs to be someone who can accept that part of my life. He's continued to text me since, telling me how much he loves me. I don't want to hold out hope of patching things up again, as I know if we did I couldn't keep going through this potentially every so many months.

How do I begin to feel better? I'm struggling with the thought of trusting anyone or ever letting another person in again. I also miss him so much already. I am properly heartbroken. Part of me feels the children is an easy reason to end things, as it's not something I can change, part of me feels like he is using it as a reason to push me away again, however I need to accept it.

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HowDoYouChoooose · 24/06/2022 14:52

Waffleboggy · 24/06/2022 08:26

I suspect the thought of children was different to things progressing and it becoming a real reality and the logistics and emotions that come with that. It is heartbreaking and frustrating it took him so long- only you know if he was stringing you along or if he was genuinely on board and changed his mind. Agree with blocking so you aren't tempted.

I agree. I suspect what he thought he could accept when he'd not actually met your children or dealt with any of that part of your life ended up being different to what he actually could when it become a reality. I think I'm in the minority on MN because I think that's fairly normal and okay, I don't think you can really 'get' being in that position until you're in it. Simply knowing someone has kids that you've never met isn't the same as being around them in the same way knowing someone who has a kid isn't the same as having your own.

But anyway, I agree with PP, he sounds generally hard work. You'd never feel stable and always worrying whether he'll leave again.

Block and delete.

whumpthereitis · 24/06/2022 15:01

A lot of people think they can accept their partner’s children until they’re faced with the reality. Imo it’s not about whether he loves you enough or not, it’s about whether he’s able to accept your children. He may want to be able to, but wanting to be able to and being able to are different things.

As cliche as it may be, sometimes the best way to love someone is by letting them go. He may be struggling with conflicting feelings or be playing games when it come to messaging you still, but no matter the motivation it’s not something that’s going to help you. Block him.

junebirthdaygirl · 24/06/2022 15:10

As someone who has experience being with someone with mental health issues l don't think this is anything to do with the children but all due to poor mental health. If it wasn't the children it would be something else. When he goes into a bad place his first instinct is to get out. Then he comes around and realises what he has done. This will just continue. Even if you had no children he would do this as it sounds like how he deals with episodes of darkness. I don't think it's anything to do with his job either. He has poor mental health and you do not need this in your life as you could never rely on him. Without a doubt he will be back and on it will go. You will meet someone who is more suited to you and who can provide proper security..not financially but generally. This will turn out well as the other was going to be constant drama.

waveybaby · 24/06/2022 15:10

@HowDoYouChoooose I understand that. The idea in your head and the reality is often going to be different. Maybe he thought he could, but the reality is different.

I agree with a pp too who said that when he's mentally in a good place it may all be fine and dandy, but when he's not he's suddenly not able to cope. Either way I know I can't put myself or kids through it.

I'm lucky as I have three lovely, lovely children. They really are so well behaved and good at so many things. I know we all think that of our children but mine really are.

He is right, he has nothing compared to me ☺️

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waveybaby · 24/06/2022 15:15

I just want to thank you all again, because this is really really helping me rationalise things. You get in your own head sometimes and it's good to have an outside perspective- tough love and all.

I accept he has MH and isn't stable or good for any of us.

I accept that he can't accept three children, it's fair enough.

I just don't accept the feeling that I've been strung along. Even though as a lot of you say a year isn't long.

He bought me a significant gift, only 2 1/2 weeks ago. Something I have not asked for hinted for, nothing. Something completely off his own back. The value of his gift is into the thousands, and he was so excited about it. I have my own money and do not need him to buy me things, nothing. I just struggle to get my head around why only a short time ago he was carrying on like he was serious about us, then this.

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newnamethanks · 24/06/2022 15:35

Ditch him completely, life's hard enough being a mother without inviting a needy man into your lives. He's not the man for you. Don't do it.

SausageAndCash · 24/06/2022 15:45

Sorry, not read everything, rushing!

So sorry you are going through this and he has put you through it.

Forget ‘accepting’ this and torturing yourself with ‘he doesn’t love me enough,

Precisely because you are a mother I think you need to take control and be pro active in ending this for good. He is flaky, MH, issues with his Mum , blows hit and cold, doesn’t even have the courage to say ‘this isn’t going to work’ and actually walk away, but texts, wallows, wah wah.

Protect your kids from his revolving door flakiness. Tell him you agree, it isn’t good, he isn’t able to commit to what you need so it does need to end. And tell him that’s it: not to contact you. He doesn’t get the use of your shoulder to cry on.

And be strong and serious: block him.

Take strength for getting over it from having taken control.

littleburn · 24/06/2022 15:59

Hi OP. I was in a very similar situation but for much longer and my advice is to cut your losses now. The 'I love you so much but I can't ...' followed a few weeks later by 'I love you so much so I want to try' is all VERY familiar to me. As is all the dramatic, 'I love you sooo much, but I need to do this so I don't hurt you even more, even though it's hurting me more than you can imagine...' It's just narcissistic bs and all about casting himself as some kind of noble, self-sacrificing hero, when in reality he's just an inconsistent man who doesn't know what he wants and has hurt you enormously in the process.

It's a pattern and whatever the reason for it, it is toxic and he will cycle through it as many times as you allow him to. The bottom line is you do not need that level of uncertainty and anxiety in your life. You deserve a man who knows what he wants, not someone who picks you up and drops you as suits.

If you're looking for a bit of support navigating through this, I would highly recommend Natasha Adamo's book on toxic relationships, as it really hammers home that you deserve so much better than this

springsally · 24/06/2022 16:10

The problem with this type of person is that you end up in a relationship that is all about their needs. He sounds as if he has issues which are not to do with you (or your kids) but to do with him.

I hope in time you will see it as a lucky escape, he sounds like hard work. But as for now getting over him, my advice is think about other big relationships you've had and how at the end of it you thought they were the be all and end all, and then the next bloke came along. There's one out there for you who you have yet to meet.

waveybaby · 24/06/2022 16:23

littleburn · 24/06/2022 15:59

Hi OP. I was in a very similar situation but for much longer and my advice is to cut your losses now. The 'I love you so much but I can't ...' followed a few weeks later by 'I love you so much so I want to try' is all VERY familiar to me. As is all the dramatic, 'I love you sooo much, but I need to do this so I don't hurt you even more, even though it's hurting me more than you can imagine...' It's just narcissistic bs and all about casting himself as some kind of noble, self-sacrificing hero, when in reality he's just an inconsistent man who doesn't know what he wants and has hurt you enormously in the process.

It's a pattern and whatever the reason for it, it is toxic and he will cycle through it as many times as you allow him to. The bottom line is you do not need that level of uncertainty and anxiety in your life. You deserve a man who knows what he wants, not someone who picks you up and drops you as suits.

If you're looking for a bit of support navigating through this, I would highly recommend Natasha Adamo's book on toxic relationships, as it really hammers home that you deserve so much better than this

This is exactly what I'm worried about, and why I need to remain strong here. My mother even said the same.

I will order that book, thank you 💐

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Mally100 · 24/06/2022 16:24

I think the gift thing and him backtracking again is just more evidence of his instability. He sounds at extreme ends alot of the time. This is someone that you and your lovely children do not need to be around. I'm glad that you have decided to part ways.

safetyfreak · 24/06/2022 16:26

He will come back and he will do this again.

Dont let him, I get its a shame but take note of the red flags next time.

billy1966 · 24/06/2022 17:09

littleburn · 24/06/2022 15:59

Hi OP. I was in a very similar situation but for much longer and my advice is to cut your losses now. The 'I love you so much but I can't ...' followed a few weeks later by 'I love you so much so I want to try' is all VERY familiar to me. As is all the dramatic, 'I love you sooo much, but I need to do this so I don't hurt you even more, even though it's hurting me more than you can imagine...' It's just narcissistic bs and all about casting himself as some kind of noble, self-sacrificing hero, when in reality he's just an inconsistent man who doesn't know what he wants and has hurt you enormously in the process.

It's a pattern and whatever the reason for it, it is toxic and he will cycle through it as many times as you allow him to. The bottom line is you do not need that level of uncertainty and anxiety in your life. You deserve a man who knows what he wants, not someone who picks you up and drops you as suits.

If you're looking for a bit of support navigating through this, I would highly recommend Natasha Adamo's book on toxic relationships, as it really hammers home that you deserve so much better than this

Great post.

OP, be glad that this has ended.
I think you have put both yourself and your children in great danger by allowing this deeply unstable man in your lives.

All the drama that he brings with him could have deeply affected your children.

I'm sure you wouldn't want that. Think how you would feel if your husband brought a similarly unstable woman into your children's lives.

Their wellbeing has to come first.
Make lemonade from these lemons by reading the book recommended above and learn from this whole.

Boundaries protect your children and are so important for parents to have when meeting new people.

JangolinaPitt · 24/06/2022 18:51

I am watching this with interest because my STBXH is involved with a woman with 4 kids and he is struggling with it ( yes he confides in me because is amicable and I have a partner) because he like her but… really does not want to take on the kids.
Your bf was clearly attracted to you but the reality of kids does make a difference. Better to end things with him now snd find someone who already has kids.

Tiani4 · 24/06/2022 19:00

@waveybaby
I've finished work and come back to your reply earlier to a discussion we had
I am angry.

I suppose the hard thing for me to get my head around is the fact that I really didn't suspect he was a "player" or manipulator at all. I based this all on how long he'd been single, how sure he seems to be about what he wanted.

Hindsight is a bitch.

Midlifemusings · 24/06/2022 19:04

If he is losing his career, then it may have been the financial responsiblity nd pressure to look after 4 or 5 children when he had no employment or financially stability that just seem too overwhelming. Not that the children existed.

Regardless he isn't in a mentally healthy enough place to be in your children's lives at the moment anyways.

Tiani4 · 24/06/2022 19:08

Whoops it posted before ii even edited!!
So...

Firstly no he wasn't a player - he is immature and clearly also manipulative as he is still going on and in despite having dumped you
You weren't wrong you were taken in but hey ho you won't be taken in again by him.

Please look at the Mike drop text i suggested earlier this morning and send something like that.

Please Don't let him dangle you on the end of string to toy with you and your emotions, block his texts you do not need to see them

You're done with him. He's history.

But also- Hindsight is a bitch. You didn't know what you now know BUT I'll tell you who's a bigger bitch and scarier than hindsight?....
Me , you or any mum who realises some immature jerk has messed their children and them around and is still ME ME ME-ING.... "feel sorry for me""I dumped you because you have children but I'm hurting.." WAAAAH WAAAHH

You show him that hindsight as a bitch has nothing on you. Please roar and block his childish ass

seaUrchinOne · 24/06/2022 19:17

Just cut contact, he's sounds immature, if kids weren't his thing, he shouldn't of led you on. Keeping in contact hoping to downgrade the relationship so you'll be around for sex.
There are men that can accept your children when they love you properly. This man can't.

waveybaby · 24/06/2022 20:24

Midlifemusings · 24/06/2022 19:04

If he is losing his career, then it may have been the financial responsiblity nd pressure to look after 4 or 5 children when he had no employment or financially stability that just seem too overwhelming. Not that the children existed.

Regardless he isn't in a mentally healthy enough place to be in your children's lives at the moment anyways.

I've said this above, but we're both really well off. Finances would never be an issue. He also has other businesses, apart from his main career.

I think he's just an immature man child that's strung me along. Thought he could do it but can't. Or just totally unstable. From what everyone has said x

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waveybaby · 24/06/2022 20:25

JangolinaPitt · 24/06/2022 18:51

I am watching this with interest because my STBXH is involved with a woman with 4 kids and he is struggling with it ( yes he confides in me because is amicable and I have a partner) because he like her but… really does not want to take on the kids.
Your bf was clearly attracted to you but the reality of kids does make a difference. Better to end things with him now snd find someone who already has kids.

I do think this is also a bit of "likes me... but".

I know I deserve far far better.

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waveybaby · 24/06/2022 20:27

Tiani4 · 24/06/2022 19:08

Whoops it posted before ii even edited!!
So...

Firstly no he wasn't a player - he is immature and clearly also manipulative as he is still going on and in despite having dumped you
You weren't wrong you were taken in but hey ho you won't be taken in again by him.

Please look at the Mike drop text i suggested earlier this morning and send something like that.

Please Don't let him dangle you on the end of string to toy with you and your emotions, block his texts you do not need to see them

You're done with him. He's history.

But also- Hindsight is a bitch. You didn't know what you now know BUT I'll tell you who's a bigger bitch and scarier than hindsight?....
Me , you or any mum who realises some immature jerk has messed their children and them around and is still ME ME ME-ING.... "feel sorry for me""I dumped you because you have children but I'm hurting.." WAAAAH WAAAHH

You show him that hindsight as a bitch has nothing on you. Please roar and block his childish ass

Thanks to all the input on here today I can see now that it is quite manipulative. I've had several more messages from him today with "are you okay" etc. And a message from a friend of his (who sadly I've grown very close to in the past year, and I will find difficult to cut out 😭) also asking me if I'm okay, and stating "X is worried about you, he cares for you so much".

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waveybaby · 24/06/2022 20:29

seaUrchinOne · 24/06/2022 19:17

Just cut contact, he's sounds immature, if kids weren't his thing, he shouldn't of led you on. Keeping in contact hoping to downgrade the relationship so you'll be around for sex.
There are men that can accept your children when they love you properly. This man can't.

I thought he loved me properly and was accepting my children. Now see it was a load of bollocks 😂

The poor me I broke up with you I'm sad is also beginning to make me sick.

Which is a good sign I'm going to hopefully get over this swiftly.

Did just have a cry on the sofa thinking about how he used to carry me to bed when I fell asleep 😢

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SpaceshiptoMars · 24/06/2022 20:54

He's well off and it sounds like his Mum might not have been on board with your relationship. The thing about money and some people is that they think it can buy them perfection. His Mum wants grandchildren, I'm guessing, and worries that you won't be up for more, or that they will perhaps get less attention than your older ones. Maybe she's pushing him to find someone without children to start with a clean slate. Pressure, pressure....

waveybaby · 24/06/2022 20:59

SpaceshiptoMars · 24/06/2022 20:54

He's well off and it sounds like his Mum might not have been on board with your relationship. The thing about money and some people is that they think it can buy them perfection. His Mum wants grandchildren, I'm guessing, and worries that you won't be up for more, or that they will perhaps get less attention than your older ones. Maybe she's pushing him to find someone without children to start with a clean slate. Pressure, pressure....

I mean it's possible, I can't discount it. All I can say is that it's not the impression I got. His mum was always lovely towards me, really made a fuss of me and made me feel like part of the family. They seemed happy that he was happy.

His parents are hardworking and tbh seemed very happy that he had found someone ambitious and with their own shit together. His previous ex didn't work and sponged off him from early in the relationship, and from what I gather the other ex when he was younger didn't have a great job and always relied on him a lot.

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littleburn · 24/06/2022 22:13

Oh no, not the 'I'm thinking about you'' are you ok?' texts! I know it's hard, but please don't engage with that. This is total ego-driven tugging-on-the-chain to check he's still got you dangling on the end of it behaviour.

I mean seriously, why would you bloody care that's he's thinking about you after how terribly he's treated you? Why would you not be ok after losing such an indecisive man-child who's treated you so appallingly? Just think for a moment about the egotism that sits behind those messages.

Presumably you're not behaving how he expects - blowing up his phone and begging for him back. Keep it like that. Make him face the consequences of his behaviour - your silence and your absence in his life. When you refuse to engage in contact and to restart the push/pull cycle, it sends the clear message that you don't buy into his self-justifying bs and see his behaviour for what it really is.