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Awake and pondering the end of my long marriage

195 replies

dontknowhow2feela · 21/06/2022 05:38

I'm awake again. Sleeping is not easy anyway but it's been worse since he told me it's over. We'd been together since the cusp of becoming adults. I care for him and know although we functioned well together it wasn't a full relationship of recent years. I was grateful when he stopped hugging me at night as it was just a distraction from whatever I was reading. My immediate response was relief when he told me. I know this is right but untangling our lives still hurts.

He is really trying to do this the 'right way' and end with me before he starts his new relationship but his new relationship has already started. He's been developing feelings for her over long Zoom chats through lockdown and met her a year ago for coffee without telling me. He tried to deny his feelings by talking about our future. Telling me he wanted to work on our relationship and reintroduce sex as we'd not been intimate for some years. I was initially excited when he said this. I'd always done the heavy lifting in the relationship but stopped 5 years ago or so when I said I'd match his input and if he wanted things to change he needed to step up. He did try a little of recent months and I felt awful that even though he was trying to instigate some intimacy I still wasn't really on board. I now know the reality is he didn't really want to work on it with me at all and it was a half hearted attempt. It makes sense I still wasn't getting any real connection from him as he was hugging his secret meeting and his burgeoning feelings to himself. His emotions were fully entangled with her.

He went on his 'first date' at the weekend and before he went I started divorce proceedings. He looked shellshocked. Apparently they discussed it afterwards and she was surprised it was so quick. Maybe she doesn't realise he has left me for her. Possibly they are both in a shared fantasy that the ending of this relationship has nothing to do with them being together. From my perspective when your DH tells you he is obsessed with a woman who has made major life decisions as a result of the strength of her feelings for him, it feels a bit late for HRT and relationship counselling! I care for him but I don't care enough about our relationship right now to fight for it.

I'm concerned for our young adult kids, one isn't taking it too well which is a real worry. but I grieve and mourn and am excited and relieved in equal measure. I know I will be ok and I know our relationship will be better as a result of this, whether we are apart for the rest of our lives or if our shared history and companionship brings us together at some unnamed point in the future...but right now it's hard and I wish I could get some sleep!

OP posts:
dontknowhow2feela · 08/07/2022 22:44

I’ve just spent a powerful evening with a small group of amazing women. It was a Meet Up that took an unexpected turn and went very right.

I challenged myself and did something I felt nervous of. I met someone incredible and inspiring. I put a date in the diary for a future meet. I'm feeling very calm and hopeful I might sleep.

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wellhelloitsme · 08/07/2022 22:49

This is BRILLIANT.

My mum joined such a club after her divorce and it's been life changing.

Life long friends, confidence, kindred spirits and a new lease of life.

Holidays with said friends regularly and has so much fun, without the need for a relationship unless they want one.

You're doing so well Flowers

billy1966 · 09/07/2022 09:04

wellhelloitsme · 08/07/2022 22:49

This is BRILLIANT.

My mum joined such a club after her divorce and it's been life changing.

Life long friends, confidence, kindred spirits and a new lease of life.

Holidays with said friends regularly and has so much fun, without the need for a relationship unless they want one.

You're doing so well Flowers

Absolutely this.

Could be a complete game changer for you.

Emotionally intelligent company that is supportive, and meets you where you are at.

How glorious.

dontknowhow2feela · 09/07/2022 18:49

I was feeling centred and amazing this morning. Ex came back and I felt stressed immediately. He's looked at a small flat and will likely put in an offer to rent (evidently dispensed with the idea of a room) and going to OW this evening, back tomorrow.

Struggling DC was here and feeling the loss of him deeply. I so wish I could ease their pain 😥They were so unhappy when he was getting ready to go to OW. Ex looked at them and asked what was wrong, was it their sunburn? 🙄FFS, I went over and hugged them and threw daggers at him. TBF he did get the message after that.

We spoke away from DC and I pointed out could he please bear in mind the overriding reason why everyone is glum at the moment and acknowledge it when someone is struggling. I asked him to stay with OW until he has somewhere else. I pointed out it's inherently disrespectful to start a new relationship whilst still in the last one so I'd rather he was out of the house.

We actually were ok after that and had a decent conversation. I'm off to another meet up in the pub tonight but will only stay for a short time so I can get back for DC. I wonder who I will meet this evening!

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KittyCatsby · 09/07/2022 18:55

He is very insensitive to think his children would happily wave him off to go and have fun ( read shag ) with another woman.

Onthedunes · 09/07/2022 19:26

Poor kids.

billy1966 · 09/07/2022 19:27

OP,
I am so glad you have taken a stand.
He really is thick as shit.

I have teens and in their 20's here, and I actually cannot imagine their distress if their father behaved that way.

I don't believe it is unreasonable to think that your children don't have the emotional maturity to deal with this.

Whatever their relationship depth with him as a father, he is their father, and he is openly conducting another relationship in front of them.

In may be inelegant, but it's really fxxked up IMO.

You are correct to tell him not to come back.

I think your children will judge him very harshly in adulthood.

He has changed his agreement regarding accommodation.
I hope this is not the beginning of a trend of him going back on his word.
Enjoy your next meet up.

dontknowhow2feela · 10/07/2022 00:16

Came back from Meetup early as DC was struggling (both DC spent the evening together but one was going out afterwards and timing went a bit awry). Very worried about how DC was.

I text ex and told him I was worried. He asked what did I suggest!!!

I wrote a very angry text in capitals but then deleted and toned it down to say I have no idea but I am left dealing with the fallout of him seeing DC briefly and then dashing off to be with girlfriend.

He called...I told him he is all loved up and whistling whilst getting ready to go and have a shag but his DC are seeing this and even when they've showed sadness he's not even registered it as an issue. I told him even if he disregards my feelings he can at least show a bit of fucking decorum when it comes to his kids. I told him to reread the message I sent at the beginning. It said he deserved the opportunity to be an a relationship with OW and we needed to work to get DC comfortable with that. Not go forth and shag and everyone will just have to get used to the idea!

I pointed out this isn't a mess I can fix as it's not about what I'm doing and suggested maybe OW can advise him what to do as she's had her own struggles after all!!!

He said he's going to have a think.

I'm so scared for DC but I'm also aware at least things are now being brought into the light. I'm focussing on the fact I know they are safe tonight and we'll have to work out next steps tomorrow.

OP posts:
dontknowhow2feela · 10/07/2022 00:39

...and I'm aware I've contradicted myself but asking him to stay at OW until he has a flat and then not being happy with him going to OW but do you know what...I don't fucking care! I didn't ask for this and I'm just reacting to what's in front of me at the time. I might be coping pretty well with the end of my marriage but I'm in pieces over the effect on my DC.

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PeacefulPottering · 10/07/2022 01:04

But what do you actually want? He obviously has his life, he's told you this? Let the poor bigger have his life without you one foot in and one foot out!
It's up to him to sort his relationship out with his kids!! Honestly Op with the best way to say this you sound so controlling!l let them sort Thier own relationship out, dad and kids!! You need to but out now! Dad's got s new relationship, he is the one to tell his kids!! They are his as well!!

PeacefulPottering · 10/07/2022 01:14

Sorry meant to say, he has a new relationship ok? It's up to him to navigate with the kids. Sorry Op it's not your call, you do you and the kids after that you cannot control anything nor should you!
He has his own life now!! Stop trying to control what he does! His relationship with the kids is his. Leave him. To it and don't try to control the outcomes.

wellhelloitsme · 10/07/2022 01:18

@PeacefulPottering

Controlling? The poor bugger?

Have a word with yourself, your posts are embarrassing!

wellhelloitsme · 10/07/2022 01:21

@PeacefulPottering

So if OP is witnessing behaviour that's harmful to her kids, she should ignore it because that harmful behaviour isn't being done by her?

She's a good mum. If someone is upsetting her children, she wants to minimise that upset and protect them.

Chastising her for that and calling her controlling for it is ridiculous.

She wants to do damage control to minimise the mental health impact on her children caused by her husband.

Controlling their hurt isn't controlling her STBXH.

Onthedunes · 10/07/2022 01:24

Op, whaterver has happened for you to come to such peace in basically such devastating circumstances and accepting his new love, he has to go and you must let him.

Your children will have to come to terms with both of you moving on, you cannot push him towards her and then blame the childrens mental health on him.

You sound very accepting of his new life but underneath still sound as though you do still do wish to control him, or use him as the scapegoat for the marriage ending, yet it sounds like a mutual decision to break up. I can't figure out whether you are the victim in this as I don't think I've come across anyone whose marriage has ended and being perfectly happy her partner is nipping off for shags.

This has ended and there won't be any going back by the sounds of it. I do wonder what his perspective would be.

Be honest with the children and guide them through it, do they really need to know he's nipping out for shags? Can you not shield them, if it is not actually bothering you for him to do that.

They don't need to know all the details as I'm sure they won't need to know when you start dating and shagging.

PeacefulPottering · 10/07/2022 01:36

Sorry I don't think ops kids need or want to know the gory details of thier parents split, it has come across as Op drags them into it because Op hasn't been honest with herself about letting her OH go. First post was she was quite happy splitting
My advice is still, don't make your kids pawns/ excuses/malipunation to have a go at him

wellhelloitsme · 10/07/2022 01:45

PeacefulPottering · 10/07/2022 01:36

Sorry I don't think ops kids need or want to know the gory details of thier parents split, it has come across as Op drags them into it because Op hasn't been honest with herself about letting her OH go. First post was she was quite happy splitting
My advice is still, don't make your kids pawns/ excuses/malipunation to have a go at him

I genuinely don't think you're reading OP's posts properly.

And you're underestimating how much her children (some of whom who aren't that young) will know exactly what's going on.

They aren't stupid. Their dad getting ready to go out, being excited and happy to do so, when they know he is seeing someone new, is obviously going to feel shit for them this early when things are this raw.

I'm not sure you've been in those kids' position but it's not OP making them feel shit or over involving them. It's their dad.

He could pause dating the woman until he's officially moved out rather than doing so while he lives with them.

If the relationship he wants with OW is genuine then doing so won't be a hardship, she will wait a little while and he will prioritise his kids.

Absolute madness to place all the parental responsibility on OP and assume that if she pretended he wasn't seeing someone they wouldn't know he was...

dontknowhow2feela · 10/07/2022 03:16

peaceful the little snippets I share here are only a fraction of our lives. I agree the kids don't need to know the gory details and haven't told them too much other than we've been together a very long time and he is in love with someone else (they know this, he has been very clear). I wouldn't have chosen to split but I will be absolutely fine. He had a long chat with vulnerable DC today and apparently went into things in more detail. I'm actually just speaking with other DC and asked have I overshared. Apparently they did tell ex not to give any details but have never felt an inappropriate level of sharing from me.

I know the text reads as quite controlling but it was on sent when the extent of our DC MH issues first became apparent. He said he wanted to really work on things with me with counselling, dates etc but had just told me he was infatuated with someone else so it was patently obvious this was a waste of time (proven when he shared the conversation he'd had with OW about it). I was pointing out that time would be better spent working out how to move DC into a better place. He arranged his first date with OW instead and DC could see because...find my phone!

Yes it's up to him to navigate and I've butted out for years. Now DC is (likely unconsciously) manipulating the situation by sharing the significant MH issues at this stage. Trust me when I say they are too significant to ignore. Trust me also when I say he needs to be involved. She has a long haul of treatment ahead but therapy is due to start next week.

I reacted to the fact he asked what I suggest. I don't fucking know but when he disappears, I always get the fallout and I don't know what to do and this is escalating. Mostly I encourage them to talk to each other but usually ends up that DC was in such a good mood, ex didn't want to talk about anything heavy...and repeat on a loop!

dunes happy to break the mould for you re not having met anyone like me before. Our marriage is definitely ending now because he is in love with someone else. I don't blame him for it, don't need anyone's pity and don't feel like a victim. I wonder why you feel there needs to be one?

I don't tell them when he is with OW. They are adults so can work it out for themselves. They have him on find my phone so can see exactly where he is. I removed him so I don't know his whereabouts. He chirpily told them where he was going today.

Have you not seen how much I've defended him on this thread! He blames himself for DC MH but I know there is much more to it and have tried to give him the tools to really believe it's not. I'm well aware of my part in all of this but I can't deal with it alone.

OP posts:
dontknowhow2feela · 10/07/2022 03:19

wellhello thank you

OP posts:
Oblomov22 · 10/07/2022 04:18

I wish you well OP. I too think there's more anger to come. Plus the fact you haven't cried - personally I find a huge sob, crying and crying till you've got nothing left, quite therapeutic.

dontknowhow2feela · 10/07/2022 04:41

Thanks Oblo quite possibly there is more emotion to come. I'm finding it quite easy to get angry on my kids behalf but really not on my own.

I trust the anger will come if and when it needs to and tears too. I'm not scared of strong emotion and agree re the therapeutic benefits of crying until you have nothing left.

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dontknowhow2feela · 10/07/2022 21:06

So this afternoon he came back and the four of us got together to talk. Ex shared some of his experiences that may help struggling DC. I know he found it very hard and made a complete mess of it. The message he was trying to give got lost to the point where I couldn't not intervene. His communication skills at home really are shocking which is strange as I know he communicates very well at work.

I hope struggling DC feels the love from all of us and we spoke about some coping mechanisms.
It wasn't the easiest of conversations but it really had to be done.

He shared with me, having thought about yesterday he realised he was a complete selfish dick but was unsure how to have done things differently as they had a dinner reservation he needed to get to! I suggested how he could have framed things instead, he conceded it probably would have been better.

He shared he and OW were talking last night and decided they weren't responsible for the end of our marriage as they hadn't had sex. I stated him shagging someone would be easier for me to forgive but they allowed themselves to develop and express feelings for each other. Their relationship has led me to instigate divorce and neither of us would have done so if they weren't in love (and of course he is shagging her now so it's not like they weren't a nanosecond away from it). Whether it's right that the marriage ends is a different question entirely and I suggested he may be able to gain some peace by recognising the positive effects that have come from him saying it's over. However their relationship is most definitely responsible and it's not a good basis for a new relationship where trust is in question from the beginning.

Apparently he has no regrets...I suggested after less than six weeks (and still living at home when he feels like it) it would probably be unusual if he did!

We spoke about money and are still managing to do that very respectfully. He will try and secure the rental flat tomorrow.

I'm actually feeling extraordinarily calm right now.

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EyeSpyPlumPie · 10/07/2022 21:45

You do sound so calm OP. Your stbxh on the other hand sounds so unbelievably self centred and without remorse or understanding. I’m not sure I could be as calm as you sound.

dontknowhow2feela · 11/07/2022 09:49

Last night I slept for over 8 hours.

I woke feeling at peace with a clear head and of course, I pondered why. 😁

I decided the main reason is yesterday he was authentic in front of our DC. I know he wants to have a better connection with them and they need a better connection with him. They are all confused and unsettled by him opening up at the moment but that will pass. It's a big step in my withdrawal as emotional gatekeeper for the family. I've had to step back into role a bit more lately bearing in mind recent events but it was a hard enough position when we were all together. Apart I can't even imagine!

My initial post stated I was pleased when he stopped hugging me etc. That was in the very recent. A gulf had opened between us in the last few months and now I understand it's as his other relationship had been building.

When I've described withdrawing from our relationship, I was still here physically. I held his hand, we hugged, we chatted companionably and went places together. I smiled when he entered the room and stopped what I was doing as I was interested in what he had to say. I listened and laughed and we made plans for our future. Our relationship was enviable from the outside.

The withdrawal was from anticipating what he wanted, from interpreting his every need. I stopped looking for the cues that told me how he was feeling so I could adapt myself to fit. I stopped pouring myself emotionally into a relationship where nothing flowed back towards me.

I matched him!

I told him exactly what I needed. I offered to help him navigate. I was open and available and I desperately wanted him to take advantage of all I had to offer but he needed to ask. He never did.

All of the above went for the kids too. I stopped being Supermum, swooping in the save them from dangers they didn't even realise existed. I nurtured and guided them still though as they are my kids and need an appropriate level of parenting. I wasn't going to parent him any more though. He is a grown man.

I understand how it reads that way eyespy, but what's on the page is such a small part of the story. There are no lies in the posts I've written but there are omissions of course. Over the last two days he's cried for what he's lost and for what he could have had. I'm not sure he's aware that's what he's crying for but I've had a lifetime of interpreting him and it's pretty clear to me. He's scared and confused about many things but he's sure he needs to do this and he is right.

He needs to be an adult and make adult decisions for himself and I need to do the same. It's frightening for both of us but also exciting. There is no malice, we bear each other no ill will. I spoke about getting the financial agreement in place as whilst it's not settled I'll always feel vulnerable. He reiterated his position hasn't changed. I need enough out of the house to be mortgage free and he will happily sign whatever to make that happen.

We don't need to be married anymore and that's got to be a good thing. Today, that doesn't feel so hard.

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PeacefulPottering · 17/07/2022 02:02

Do you want him? I mean really want him? Not for the kids, do you want to let him go? I think that's the crux of the matter, if you absolutely do, I mean absolutely then it's so unfair on him you get to do the split on your terms iynwim
He hasn't actually done anything wrong. You said you had checked out of your marriage? So let him navigate the kids. Honestly OP you need to but out, he's trying to navigate his new life. Let him.

Freeme31 · 17/07/2022 15:37

Do you really not want him in your life forever OP, there is so much about your children, him, other woman but what do you in your heart really want?