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Sad about no proposal - 6 years and baby on the way

276 replies

AmelieBear · 06/05/2022 22:41

Me and my boyfriend have been together for 6 years, when we first got together he used to hint about proposing all the time. He even asked me once when drunk and I said of course but only if he asked me sober :) that was 5 years ago now. I have always said to him I would only want him to propose just to know he meant it/more romantic. We agreed a while ago now that as we had always wanted kids we would try after I turned 35, and now we have a little one on the way (I’m 16 weeks). I’ve never been desperate for marriage but always made it clear if he asked me I would say yes. We’ve also talked before about how much sense it makes legally/financially when we have both a baby and house. But it just never happens. I forget for ages, like I said I was never crazy for a wedding but I just assumed we would naturally have a low key one one day, but then something will happen, tonight it was 2 people on TV talking wistfully about their honeymoon, and I ended up in tears because I realised I will never get to have that proper baby free honeymoon I once just assumed I would get one day. Sometimes I convince myself he can’t love me anymore.

What do I do? Or how do I not feel shit? Or has anyone done a wedding and really really good honeymoon with a baby in tow?
should I just give up/get annoyed at him/give him an ultimatum? Am I being unreasonable to feel this crap?

OP posts:
sleepygal · 07/05/2022 07:42

You don't need to double barrel baby's surname. They are usually a cumbersome mouthful anyway. use your partner's surname as baby's middle name without the hyphen. Give your name as a surname.

KangarooKenny · 07/05/2022 07:43

I wouldn’t give baby his name. If you marry in the future you can agree to change it then.

Autienotnaughtie · 07/05/2022 07:44

Ask him what's stopping him proposing?

Catsstillrock · 07/05/2022 07:48

OP I hear you. I don’t think it’s as bad as some posters are saying. But agree you need to protect your interests.

i also got pregnant at 35 without being married. I was clear with myself I wanted children and wasn’t prepared to risk not meeting someone else.

baby had thenDPs surname, (my surname as a middle name) something I later regretted and would do differently.

DP was also the higher earner (though not by much) he was out off marriage by combo of


  • social anxiety (he’s an introvert) and pressure (his very pushy parents would have wanted to run a big day

  • negative attitudes in his industry. He works in financial services, very misogynyist and full of men with stories about how much divorce has cost them.


we had a rocky time as new parents. I seriously considered leaving him. I never verbalised it but could easily have done so. I owned my own place too and also have a well paying career. I’m pretty sure he realised I could walk away and cope just fine and that realisation made him make much more of an effort. Having your own home and income are hugely imprimant. Money IS power.

when we moved, I kept own flat and he put in all the equity. His first suggestion was house in his name and I rented from him. I refused said I’d never rent at this stage in my life. I’m on the deeds and mortgage. We verbally agreed the share if we split would be 70 (him) / 30 (me) so I’d still get the equity increase on the share of mortgage I paid. He meant to make this a legal agreement but never got around to it. So if we’d split I could (and maybe would) have taken 50% of the equity he put in.

we split bills 2:1 (him to me) reflecting our relative earning levels. He paid all rent / bills/ mortgage while I was on maternity leave. So my mat pay was for my day to day only.

we did get married a couple of years back after 10 years together.

what shifted him


  • a friend (in FS of course!) pointed out his financial exposure was the same now married or not.

  • we were expecting no 2 (thought to get there, ivf, he paid most costs) and he was pressing to get the kids christened as it was the ‘traditional’ thing to do. I said if traditional mattered the first traditional thing to tick off was getting married. He agreed.


so I organised a wedding (with him now confident enough to ignore his parents interfering).

long after the venue was booked he surprised me with a very romantic proposal.

he never made me feel financially vulnerable. Eg when we bought, he accepted my refusal to rent immediately. He rushed to cover all major costs when I was on Mat leave.

He showed he loved me in other non financial ways.

he is now my DH and we’re happy.

TeenPlusCat · 07/05/2022 07:49

I am wondering what conversation you've had about finances while you are on maternity leave looking after his baby? Is the plan to continue 50-50 with your half coming out of savings, or has he been clear he'll cover everything?

Without the protection of marriage, stay in your flat and stay full time. Nursery fees (and everything lese) paid pro rata of earnings.

I too would be saying baby will have whatever surname you have when born. If not married then obviously your surname. If married and you have changed your name to his or double barreled then the baby gets that.

AngelinaFibres · 07/05/2022 07:50

Mrstwiddle · 06/05/2022 23:01

Honestly, he just isn’t interested in marrying you. Don’t bother proposing to him, just accept that you’re likely to have to do this alone.

This sadly. He hasn't asked you because he doesn't want to get married. He doesn't need to get married,he has all of it anyway ....but with the open door opportunity of just walking away. Now you have added a child into it. Women on here do this over and over. In a year or so you will be back posting again because you have a child and he has buggered off to live as a single man whilst you deal with the life of a single parent.

timoteigirl · 07/05/2022 07:52

Sorry but I don't understand why you cannot propose him? We are supposed to be equal now.

NamechangeFML · 07/05/2022 08:02

This has happened to a few of my friends. Not bridzillas. Just nice woman who wanted to marry the baby daddy.
some eventually got the proposal, some arent married yet ...
just tell him. I did with DH. " i want a proposal by XX or im off - so have a think about it" hed dragged his heels for 7 years.

FlowerArranger · 07/05/2022 08:04

He knew the deal and how important him proposing was to me.

Hahaha!!! ... I’m doing the “oh oh oh” hand flipping dance in my head 😂

WTF? You need to grow up! This guy is just messing with you. If marriage is important to you - and it should be if you want to procreate! - why did you decide to fall pregnant BEFORE you were married?

Also... Why do you pay 50% if he earns twice as much as you? Do you do most of the housework and cooking as well? Seriously, why do you let him take you for a mug?

In your shoes I'd walk away now, especially since you own your own property. If he truly loves you and wants your baby, he'll come running after you.💐

doingitforthegirls · 07/05/2022 08:04

And this is exactly why you say ....no marriage no baby. You realise the chances of him actually proposing now are virtually zero.

WimpoleHat · 07/05/2022 08:06

Rainbowqueeen · 07/05/2022 00:34

Your name only because to be frank that’s about the only ammunition you have. For some reason men are very hung up on their DC having their name.

No. It’s traditional for children to have their mothers name. They only have their fathers name if he is married to their mother. If you want marriage do not budge on this If he wants baby to have his name he knows what he can do.

This is spot on, I’m afraid. Spot on. You often hear on here the “it’s traditional to have the man’s name” - it isn’t at all. As @Rainbowqueeen rightly says, babies have always had their mother’s name; it was just also traditional that the mother would be married to the father and would have taken his name on marriage.

MrMrsJones · 07/05/2022 08:08

timoteigirl · 07/05/2022 07:52

Sorry but I don't understand why you cannot propose him? We are supposed to be equal now.

Because she wanted the romantic "I love you so much, will you marry me"

My partner and I talked about marriage and we were very clear about what we wanted and when we wanted it, the children ship had long since sailed, but we both wanted to be married and we knew when. So I knew he was going to propose, but not quite when so it was a surprise.

This man doesn't want to marry you, he isn't committed 100%

RuthW · 07/05/2022 08:13

Presumably he said he wasn't ready when you proposed to him and said he would tell you when he was ready.

If he still says no and it's a deal breaker for you then time to go it alone.

TabithaHazel · 07/05/2022 08:16

AmelieBear · 06/05/2022 23:04

Yes, I own a flat I’ve had for 11 years and he moved in with me 2 years ago. We are planning to buy together this year. Yes this flat is mine but he earns a lot more than me

Will you need a mortgage? It might be tricky to get the full amount you would have now you’ll be on maternity leave. Agree with pervious posters that if he wanted to marry you he would have asked you by now, most people I know who got together in their 30s moved in together and married within a couple of years - how comes
it took four years to move in together? Does he pay you a decent rent and fair share of the bills?

I hope things work out for you OP but sounds like you have started to feel resentful of him already.

madasawethen · 07/05/2022 08:19

How is coming up for the money for the new house supposed to work?

Are you supposed to sell your flat and put that towards the new one?

How enthusiastic is he about buying a house?

Sharrowgirl · 07/05/2022 08:21

Snowiscold · 07/05/2022 03:28

The stuff about the name is rubbish. I don’t have the same name as my DC , now adult, and it has never caused any problems with school, medical appointments or while travelling. If you don’t want to give the baby his surname, for many valid reasons, that’s one thing, but don’t let statements like the one above have any influence.

Agree. My children don’t have my surname and it’s never once been an issue.

I do agree that it’s the only leverage you have though, if it’s important to him that the baby has his surname.

AxolotlEars · 07/05/2022 08:24

Good grief ...ask him!

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 07/05/2022 08:25

Tbh I'd go to him now and say "right, I've checked the registry office, they have slots on A B and C dates. All before the baby arrives. Which one works best for you?"

And just crack on.

thethoughtfox · 07/05/2022 08:27

You are vulnerable OP. Have a serious talk about the importance of being married. Unless you are married, or have a wedding planned, don't give up your job.

passport123 · 07/05/2022 08:28

I'd tell him that if he wants to be on the birth certificate you need to be married in the next 20 weeks. But I wouldn't have TTC with this prince. You've make yourself very vulnerable as the lower earner.

thinking123 · 07/05/2022 08:28

Honestly don't double barrel. Line in the sand, baby had your surname and that's it
I know so many women who gave their boyfriends names, or double barrelled but baby always know as his name.

Seriously look confused and say
"But why wouldn't the baby have my name"

BanjoVio · 07/05/2022 08:32

Two things:


  1. Men generally don’t do things they don’t want to do. If he wanted to propose, he would.

  2. Marriage is not something HE does FOR YOU. It’s not breakfast in bed. It’s a lifetime commitment (and binding contract) for both of you.

MeanMrMustardSeed · 07/05/2022 08:33

I can’t get over the fact you planned this pregnancy when he’s spent 7 years refusing to marry you.

billy1966 · 07/05/2022 08:35

He's living in YOUR house and just pays 50% of bills?
Does he pay rent?

You think this man who has clearly showed you he is mean is going to look after you?

Not a chance.

He will pay the morgage to prove that he has contributed more to it when you inevitably split.

You should not give that baby his name.
It is traditional to do it when married.
Only a fool does it unmarried.
Only a fool would gives up her home.
Only a fool would reduce her hours.

Don't be a fool.

Past behaviour is a huge predictor of future behaviour.

He has strung you along, a real sign of disrespect.

He is tight, highly unlikely he will financially support you during maternity leave and childcare.

You must be absolutely desperate for a baby to have one in these circumstances, with someone so tight and dishonest.

I would be rethinking this baby and moving on OP.

You deserve so much better.

MissyB1 · 07/05/2022 08:39

Jeez why would you even want to marry this man? Doesn’t sound like a keeper to me.