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Sad about no proposal - 6 years and baby on the way

276 replies

AmelieBear · 06/05/2022 22:41

Me and my boyfriend have been together for 6 years, when we first got together he used to hint about proposing all the time. He even asked me once when drunk and I said of course but only if he asked me sober :) that was 5 years ago now. I have always said to him I would only want him to propose just to know he meant it/more romantic. We agreed a while ago now that as we had always wanted kids we would try after I turned 35, and now we have a little one on the way (I’m 16 weeks). I’ve never been desperate for marriage but always made it clear if he asked me I would say yes. We’ve also talked before about how much sense it makes legally/financially when we have both a baby and house. But it just never happens. I forget for ages, like I said I was never crazy for a wedding but I just assumed we would naturally have a low key one one day, but then something will happen, tonight it was 2 people on TV talking wistfully about their honeymoon, and I ended up in tears because I realised I will never get to have that proper baby free honeymoon I once just assumed I would get one day. Sometimes I convince myself he can’t love me anymore.

What do I do? Or how do I not feel shit? Or has anyone done a wedding and really really good honeymoon with a baby in tow?
should I just give up/get annoyed at him/give him an ultimatum? Am I being unreasonable to feel this crap?

OP posts:
Tippexy · 08/05/2022 09:08

Are you really, truly, happy with a civil partnership?

Because, you do know that is all it’ll ever be?

You are literally going to go to the register office with him and even then, he isn’t going to marry you?

Oblomov22 · 08/05/2022 09:11

What a mess. Why did you Allie this to happen? What are you going to do now?

poetryandwine · 08/05/2022 09:27

Congratulations, OP. If this is really going to make you happy which is all that matters. Because I agree with @Tippexy

Oblomov22 · 08/05/2022 09:32

A civil partnership? Oh please. Do you have low self esteem? Why are you settling for this 2nd class breadcrumb?

WimpoleHat · 08/05/2022 09:46

It’s literally just that he’s being a perfectionist about proposing

Oh gosh. In my experience (and in many situations - so not just pertaining to marriage!), “perfectionism” is seen as the clever excuse for “why I haven’t done something I don’t want to do”. The most difficult person I work with is a “perfectionist”; she can’t hand in a piece of work that isn’t “her very best” and sneers at the “quality” of the work of others. But she very rarely actually does much at all….

In the situation you’re talking about, with a partner of 6 years? This isn’t believable. My friend tells a funny story about how her very outdoorsy DH took her camping; she found out later he was all set to propose but didn’t as she moaned too much! But - guess what - he found another time a few weeks later and they’ve been married for decades now.

I’ve seen your update and I’m pleased for you if you’re happy. But - as a pp said - is this what you really want? And if it’s not and you’ve made that clear to him, why can’t he find the “perfect time for now” and just get on with it?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/05/2022 10:01

We’re going to the registry office to sort a civil partnership next week ... on my insistence which he agreed to

I'm so sorry, OP - this is far from what you wanted but it seems you'll accept whatever crumbs he'll scatter, and that's if he doesn't invent some excuse as to why it can't happen

Sadly, "he's just being a perfectionist" is a common form of denial - I've done it myself to my cost on other matters - and I wish you only the best, hoping that in time you'll see this for what it most likely is

toomuchlaundry · 08/05/2022 10:02

Seriously, his excuse is that he is a perfectionist. The sentiment behind a proposal is that you want to be married. The fancier the proposal the less likely the marriage lasts in my experience as you are fixating on the wrong thing

elociN5 · 08/05/2022 10:10

It's not so much negative experiences people are projecting, they are just sharing their real life experiences and being direct. You seem to be making excuses for him (procrastinator etc).
like ppl have mentioned before, he already has everything without having had to make an effort, you moved in with him, played a role of a "wife" and are now having a baby together. By accepting things as they are you demonstrated to him that you are fine with it and this is how things should be. He gains nothing by proposing now.
what you have now is not a civil partnership as someone suggested (that is a legal thing for same sex couples) but cohabiting and gives you and your child zero financial protection in any eventuality even if you stay with him for 20 years.
I can't share any experience of waiting for a proposal (mine happened within an acceptable timeline of well under a year) but I know if a man wants to get married to a woman a respects her and wants to have children together they propose. And if he doesn't no amount of children or perfect moments will make him.
In your case it seems that he doesn't have any hurdles to overcome before he can propose.
you have had amazing advice here but until you start seeing the situation as it really is none of it will be useful.

I am not suggesting an ultimatum, but it may be your only option now. That or wait for another umpteen years until he finds that perfect moment.

PS please forgive any typos or grammatical errors, English is not my native language

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/05/2022 10:12

The fancier the proposal the less likely the marriage lasts in my experience

Mine too, but it hardly matters since it appears he doesn't want to be married so a civil partnership is all OP's likely to get - and that's if it happens

Personally I'd be embarrassed telling folk that's what I'd done, knowing they'd think "That's all??", but each to their own and all that

elociN5 · 08/05/2022 10:42

I am sorry I can't edit my post as I seem to have misread and now can't correct but serves me right for not reading properly, re civil partnership
same sex couples go for civil partnership because it's often the only option but why is he opting for that when you can be married?
mid be embarrassed to be in a civil partnership and having people asking why not a marriage (and they will) , is it the case of "didn't love enough" as one person replied when asked why he never proposed to his partner of 20 years and mother of his 2 children (who also wanted to marry him and was waiting for a proposal)

just to say agree with the above. Co

Fluffycloudland77 · 08/05/2022 10:48

I don’t think he wants to marry you, dh talked about marriage early on and was very quick to seal the deal so to speak.

The perfectionist thing sounds bullshit to me. Life’s never perfect. You can’t order a perfect day to propose.

poetryandwine · 08/05/2022 11:10

OP,

We aren’t all old cynics. I hesitated long and hard before even mentioning DH, who is many times the man as the jerk who kept me on tenterhooks for three years. It seemed impolite. I met DH 18 months after the breakup.

Presumably you are here for a spectrum of opinion from people who want the best for you. Although I am tired on your behalf of PPs who can offer nothing more than ‘why did you get pregnant?’

user1471462115 · 08/05/2022 11:16

But you will have legally dissolve a civil partnership at considerable cost to then be able to marry.

I think I am missing the point of doing this.

afraid I agree with all the others who think he just doesn’t want to actually marry you

get your ducks ready in that line, as you are going to need to be independent one day very soon

Cavagirl · 08/05/2022 11:33

I'm not sure I understand how this is a solution for you OP.

You now won't be able to get married. You'll have to have a civil partnership conversion ceremony, to convert your civil partnership to a marriage. That's not the same thing as getting married. What will you say to people?

Is this really, really what you want?

I think you've painted yourself into a corner here by insisting on (and allowing him to insist on) the perfect proposal when time isn't on your side.

If being married is what you want, don't agree to this civil partnership halfway house with the hope of one day something changing, because it really won't - once DC are in the picture, it will always be "one day" and there will always be a good reason why not to.

If you being very upset about lack of engagement, and being pregnant, isn't a good enough reason for him to get married, what will be - once you've got a civil partnership and the complications of DC?

Sorry OP, I think if you go down this road you will regret it.

Fluffycloudland77 · 08/05/2022 12:09

You can’t convert a civil partnership to marriage if your opposite sex. You have to spend over £1000 and spend about 6 months dissolving it.

CJsGoldfish · 08/05/2022 12:10

But you will have legally dissolve a civil partnership at considerable cost to then be able to marry
This is just so bizarre. All to make sure to get the perfect, insta worthy romantic gesture. A GESTURE. 😏

Beefcurtains79 · 08/05/2022 12:23

Yeah, come to think of it if he’s willing to go to the registry office to do this, but not to get married it’s pretty obvious he’s stalling and probably lying about changing it up in future….there’s no difference planning or cost wise.
Perfectionist my arse, you know you don’t believe that deep down.

airrrrAIRRRRiELLLL · 08/05/2022 12:27

Lol at CP being a 'crumb'! Op will have all legal protection that marriage offers without the actual 'M' word. If her DP never gets around to this perfect proposal then she is in the best position for her. Op you can make the CP ceremony as low key or as all-out weddingy as you want. Good luck!

leotardrock · 08/05/2022 12:38

The legal protection is the most important thing in this scenario so this is win, however I think this will eat away at the relationship in the long term!

Good luck OP💐 I hope all goes well with your pregnancy!

Mama1980 · 08/05/2022 12:47

I am not a cynic op but this makes no sense, you can't just convert a CP to a marriage without considerable trouble and expense. If you are happy with that fine but neither of you should pretend it's something it's not i.e it still is not marriage and it will in fact make marriage trickier and more expensive.

NalashixTerashkova · 08/05/2022 13:38

This is such a weird update. You can’t actually convert your civil partnership into a marriage OP, that’s only available for same sex couples. So you’d have to get the civil partnership, then dissolve it (how are you going to explain doing that to officials when your relationship hasn’t broken down?) and then marry? What a lot of faff and expense with a child in tow when you could have just married in the first place. What’s the actual point?

similar to you, we wanted to TTC without delay due to health issues and age, however we wanted to be married by the time a baby arrived. We had no interest in a fancy wedding so we got engaged at 5m pregnant and married at 7m pregnant. Engaged for seven weeks. The day after the proposal we rang the register office and sorted it. DH did do a fancy proposal bless him but I honestly couldn’t have cared less if he hadn’t, as lovely as it was. We just wanted to be married.

How is it going to feel rocking up to the register office for a civil partnership when you know it’s gonna mean he will now delay marriage forever, citing that ‘we’re already legally bound what’s the difference’ or ‘what’s the point in dissolving just to marry?’. You’ll actually be further away from marriage than you are now. I’m so sorry you’ve accepted a bread crumb rather than asserting your needs as the mother of his child and long term girlfriend. It may feel like a hollow victory but come on, what’s he playing it?

the perfectionist argument is bonkers and an absolute insult to your entire intelligence, I’d be infuriated if someone said that and expected me to believe it. He’s had six years to get a ring and plan something, knowing that you’d say yes as you want to be married. I’ve known friends get engaged over a takeaway watching tv and be thrilled. It’s a convenient excuse as he gets to pretend that the reason he hasn’t proposed is because he values proposing to you soooo much it just has to be perfect. Bullshit. I’m embarrassed for you, frankly.

on the topic of how terrible it is that we don’t have the rights bestowed by marriage automatically applied through cohabitation: thank goodness. Marriage is available to all for a couple hundred pounds and means you have to opt in to a legal responsibility to your partner. It would be disastrous if people couldn’t live with partners without becoming de facto married. It’s a huge decision that must be taken proactively. The government benefits given to people who are married upon the death of a spouse are only given to married people because in the eyes of the law and government, married couples are family. Marriage has nothing to do with romance, that’s a very recent concept. It’s declaring to the state and the law that you are officially, legally family. Give those benefits to anyone who can claim to be a girlfriend or boyfriend and it gets muddy. You’re married or you’re not. It’d be very difficult to prove who is eligible otherwise.

what’s stopping you from telling him you want to be married before the baby arrives? Tell him it’s time to cut the crap, you’re already engaged because he’s said he wants to marry you and you feel the same, so forget a proposal and let’s just book the ceremony. You can get nice wedding rings and forgo an engagement ring. Loads of people I know just wear a wedding ring now anyway.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/05/2022 14:38

Op will have all legal protection that marriage offers without the actual 'M' word. If her DP never gets around to this perfect proposal then she is in the best position for her

Errr, he's not done it yet, and remembering OP said this was at her insistence who knows if it'll ever happen

I'd lay good money that he'll be researching what obligations a civil partnership would involve right now, which could easily change things - and after all OP's insisted she wants other things which haven't yet happened either

MalagaNights · 08/05/2022 14:50

To get a civil partnership so he can continue to procrastinate on planning a perfect proposal is quite possibly one of the most ridiculous things I've heard.

Grow up and get over yourselves.

So you're going to be in a civil partnership with a child living together waiting to be proposed to?

Can you imagine the anti climax of this proposal if it ever comes? I don't think I could drum up the enthusiasm to buy you a card never mind attend the charade of a wedding you'll be having.

It's like having a graduation ceremony after you got your degree and have already been working for 8 years.
The moment passed.

He's missed his moment for a perfect proposal, but never mind, bit disappointing maybe, but if you're really committed to each other you can still get married and that's amazingly romantic.

This charade is just painfully pointless.

PaddlingLikeADuck · 08/05/2022 16:55

Im confused as to why there has profuse congratulating going on? Have I missed something?

How is a civil partnership the same level of commitment as marriage? (I’m honestly not being goady, I genuinely am interested in it’s similarities and differences to marriage).

MalagaNights · 08/05/2022 18:20

It offers the same legal protections.

But apparently doesn't require the staging of a perfect moment that takes over 6 years to plan.

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