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I just don't understand why he's doing this

234 replies

TotallyUninspired · 06/04/2022 17:28

Just over three weeks ago after months of increasingly distant, cruel behaviour from him I asked my husband (of 14 years - 2 children) what was going on.
In January he had said that he felt unhappy and confused and 'loved me to bits but the spark had gone a bit'. I asked if there was someone else, he said no. I asked if he was still attracted to me, he said yes. I suggested marriage counselling, he said 'I don't know - I can't talk about this any more now'. I spent the next few weeks/months doing everything I could to spend more time together, talk more, sleep together more, go on dates, etc. I could still feel him pulling further and further away and making no effort at all (he was happy to sleep with me). He left rooms as I entered them, shrugged off my touch and it was like pulling teeth to get him to do anything with me.
This time, when I asked him he said that he 'loved me but was not in love with me', and this time, when I asked again, he told me that he was in love with someone else (also married). He then turned it round and blamed the whole thing on me, coming up with completely random instances from the past when I'd annoyed him by, for example, not telling him he was amazing in bed, not riding my bike enough, not wanting to go to a particular holiday destination one time. When I stood up for myself he got nastier and more personal - attacking my personality, telling me I was scared of life and he couldn't be with someone like that, and this new woman offers him things that I don't: 'happiness, joy'. He also told me it was 'none of my business' who it was.
I just don't recognise the version of our marriage he presented me with - to me we have been largely happy with good communication, were sleeping together, got on well, had the same values, had ups and downs of course, but no more than any other long relationship.
I don't recognise this cruel, selfish person as the man I married.
He is sorry for hurting me but doesn't regret it and would rather be single (if he doesn't end up with her) than be with me and our children, so really I have no choice in any of this. I certainly wasn't prepared to beg - it's gone too far - and I didn't.
It's been such a short time - he hasn't even properly moved out yet and I am brokenhearted and endlessly analysing how this happened and why he never talked to me about any of this at any point until it was too late in his eyes.
I'm scared for my future and for the childrens' future, barely functioning, but keeping it together as best I can for them and taking practical steps to sort it out.
What's really messing with my head now is that, while he's quite determined that this is the correct course of action, and even though he's broken all our hearts, he's phoning me up telling me he misses talking to me and spending time with me. I told him that he didn't get to betray me and then enjoy the benefits of my company. He was astonished and said I was throwing away the 18 years of our relationship. I told him that he had done that and I was only prepared to talk to him about practicalities/the children.
I honestly can't stand talking to him right now. Why doesn't he understand how much pain it causes me, and why does he think I would be in any way fine with being his friend 3 weeks after he's detonated our marriage?

OP posts:
PriestessofPing · 13/04/2022 10:25

Wow he sounds like a prize asshole. And incredibly childish. You on the other hand, sound like a very strong, mature and reasonable person. I hope you get that job, but even if not you can be extremely proud you went through an interview process at such a time. Flowers

TotallyUninspired · 13/04/2022 10:36

I've let him know about the door in writing (a text - does that count?!) and he has acknowledged it and apologised. And, yes, it was definitely him who left the washing on the floor as he 'didn't have time' to hang it up. I mean, I was only out of the house for 11 hours, how could he possibly have found the time?!
I would be amazed if he ever requested to come back. A big part of me wants him to regret this and realise what he's thrown away, purely for my self-esteem, but I think I have to build that up in other ways now and do my best to move on.

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Mix56 · 13/04/2022 16:49

Couldn't he find a bucket for the wet washing, what a pathetic "Fuck You" gesture.
I think he will start to get nasty once he realizes he can't afford a nice bachelor flat & still has to pay for his kids.
Please use your family contact to your best advantage, Get as much info as possible, information is Power. get copies of His pay/Tax returns Mortgage, Bank balances, Life Insurance, Pensions, Savings.
What a tool, whining about it not being "fair" , What is not "fair" is him trashing your marriage over a woman who is not even available.
Sadly it is SO common, your perfectly happy husband until recently, has become a cliché of fallen for the younger woman. Pitiful.

If you do get the job, no need to tell him about any eventual augmentation in salary.

Anothersatellite · 16/04/2022 08:52

This all happened to me in 2005, the main difference is that I was the husband. The first thing is behaviour ahead of evidence, which I later discovered. It leaves a dark stain on your heart but you will get through it. It took me 2 years before I could even laugh again. For me, it was worse than bereavement.
Cut off all but essential contact. Be very firm on this. Don't give him any cake to eat. Brutal is the only way. Marital betrayal is the shittiest thing that can happen in anyone's life. How easily vows are forgotten. I'm very sorry OP. You have to go hardline now.

DancinOnTheCeiling · 17/04/2022 21:49

How are you doing @TotallyUninspired?

TotallyUninspired · 17/04/2022 22:38

I'm doing my best. So, so sad, but putting one foot in front of the other.

I can't believe I had to do this but I had to get my solicitor to send him a letter to tell him to hand his house keys over because he let himself into the house without asking at 8.30am so he could 'hug the kids' a few days after he officially moved out. It really shook me up to hear his key in the lock and he point-blank refused (twice) when I told him he couldn't just come round when he felt like it and he needed to hand back his keys and ask for permission to come to the house.

He was very angry about the letter and told me that I was going to ruin any chance of an amicable divorce by being 'so aggressive' but I felt I had no choice - it sets me back every time I see or speak to him.

I've had a nice weekend with the kids and family, though, and have spoken no ill of him in front of the kids whatsoever (obviously assassinating every aspect of his character once they're in bed).

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JustKittenAround · 18/04/2022 04:07

Full disclosure I’ve had some champers and am catching up.

OP I am so sorry. These types…. Gah.

Here is the script if it hasn’t been linked, if it has sorry.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/1527705-Midlife-crisis-this-is-the-script

JustKittenAround · 18/04/2022 04:47

Lol at him!!!

He’s still thinking he has power! Ha!

Turn cold and hard. He is like most, blustering because he’s lost control of you.

Cherry35 · 18/04/2022 04:57

So sorry for your situation. Let him go, don't give him the pleasure of your friendship. Just deal with him for your DC's things.

He's obviously lusting only over her and was willing to throw it all away for it. You deserve better and will find someone better with time.

needmorethanthis · 18/04/2022 05:19

So sorry OP. Stay strong. You deserve so much better. His friends are going to tire of his crap at some point. How did he meet this other married woman?

DancinOnTheCeiling · 18/04/2022 06:19

Sounds like you’ve stayed very calm and consistent whilst he’s been up and down like a yo-yo. Well done you @TotallyUninspired, what an absolute head f**k. My ex (bf, not husband) acted like this after he broke up with me (on holiday) - one minute nice, one minute awful, then acted like we were still together. My dad gave me the best advice at the time; he said “clearly, x doesn’t really know what he wants. Don’t let him pull you into his games. Be neutral/polite, don’t be overly nice or rude. Don’t engage a lot..”. I believe people call this grey rocking or something like that - bless my dad for instinctively advising me to do this.

So sorry to hear you’re so sad OP, and no wonder. What you’re experiencing is like a bereavement. Please allow yourself to feel that way (but don’t let him see it). You will move on and feel so much better but in the meantime allow yourself to feel all the feelings, that’s what they’re there for.

Well done for not saying anything negative in front of the kids, not an easy thing to do. Thinking of you lots! 💐

Mix56 · 18/04/2022 07:17

If its a joint property he has a right to access the house, even if he has abandoned you all.
However you can leave the key in the door.
He has to face the consequences.
"Grey Rock" is indeed the way to go, it takes practice, the shortest ambivalent response possible
I'll think about it
I'll speak to my solicitor
Doesn't work for me
& the all time classic, "No"
no phone calls, everything by email, & you only require correspondence re the dc
Also feel no compulsion, to reply immediately, nothing us that urgent, you can take time to decide, & as my lovely Dad said once, "Never reply in pyjamas"
Ie. late at night when you're tired, had a drink, of when you are in a rush

TotallyUninspired · 18/04/2022 08:44

@needmorethanthis: Running club. Bloody running club. One small plus side of this is that there are no longer hundreds of pairs of trainers stinking out the house and the laundry has massively reduced!

@DancingOnTheCeiling He is disturbingly up and down at the moment. Exactly what you said: one minute nice, the next minute awful. By turns, screaming at me about his mental health, telling me he'll always love me and he's 'so sad', then smirking at me and saying 'no fault divorce, remember'.

@Mix56 I know that he has the right to access but he has no respect for my boundaries. It is still his house but it is no longer his home. He was indicating that he would be popping in and out when he felt like it and didn't understand how unfair and inappropriate that was.

I am engaging with him as little as possible. It hurts every time I do.

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FlowerArranger · 18/04/2022 08:54

I am engaging with him as little as possible. It hurts every time I do

And the more you not engage with him, the less it'll hurt......Flowers

Lozzerbmc · 18/04/2022 09:06

I think you’re doing amazing. It happened to me just the same- the rewriting of our mostly happy marriage to make him feel better, trying to use me for support which was hurtful. Know this though, that you will be fine in time whereas he will not.

I thought I’d never get over the end of my marriage - I was with him from 17 to 35 so all adult life. I was wrong. Life is so much better now.

Great you have legal advice so easily available. Just focus on each day at a time. You’ll have bad days of course then ok days then you’ll suddenly realise you have less bad days…

Lozzerbmc · 18/04/2022 09:11

But be careful he will try to get back with you when affair ends (which it most definitely will as it wont last).

Yankydoodledandy · 18/04/2022 09:17

The Script to the tee!!!!!

porridgecake · 18/04/2022 09:21

He has already checked out and has had a long time to plan this. There is every chance he will try to cheat you out of your rights to your home and your share of marital assets/pension/child maintenance. Make sure you gather all the legal and financial paperwork before he removes it. Are your savings secure?
Talk to your relative about what you need to do now and do not trust your H at all.

Yankydoodledandy · 18/04/2022 09:35

Once reality sets in....
No OW, no home, has to cook, do own washing etc. He will want his old life back.

He'll come crying, saying he's made a huge mistake, he loves you, wants his family back etc.

You need to stay strong OP....remember and write down even everything he said from day 1. Focus on you and your children Flowers

TotallyUninspired · 19/04/2022 15:01

Did not get job :(
Husband brought kids back this morning and asked to discuss childcare, which we did, and that was fine. He then went rogue, once again trying to make me agree financial stuff between us without a solicitor, complaining of panic attacks, shouting at me, crying and making threats. He is obviously in a terrible mental state and it is horrible to see - I can't just switch off my feelings towards him however angry and hurt I am - but he made all of this happen without a thought for me, for the children, or for the consequences and it is baffling to me that he STILL expects me to put his needs before my own.
This is exhausting.

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Yankydoodledandy · 19/04/2022 17:50

DONOT agree to anything without consulting your solicitor.

He's made his bed...he needs to lie in it.

Be warned...he will try to blame you and may get nasty once he realises you're not going to play his game.

OP it's hard BUT remember he chose to dump you for OW, he wants another life without you. He's slept with another woman. It's not going his way... tough!!!

Mix56 · 19/04/2022 18:11

He wants a "friendly divorce", so that he can screw you over...
Agree to nothing.

I completely understand you don't want him rocking up unannounced btw

CheekyHobson · 19/04/2022 20:21

I had this with my ex – he would claim to want to do things "amicably" but then threaten, argue, make false claims about me etc.

I very calmly and politely told him that amicably means that we both speak to each other calmly and with respect, and only make claims that we can prove to be grounded in reality. It wasn't "amicable" for him to call me names or make up wild accusations and then later 'take them back', saying he 'didn't mean them and only said it because he was upset. If he couldn't commit to behaving in that kind of adult way, then communicating through lawyers and accountants and the police if necessary was the only other feasible way forward.

He behaved better after that.

lemongreentea · 19/04/2022 21:08

You are amazing OP. He has put you through so much and you are still so decent and dignfied. Stay strong Flowers

AtlasPine · 19/04/2022 21:27

Another person here who is so impressed with your strength. It’s such a shitty, shitty time but you know you will get through this and be free to find happiness again in whatever way you want.