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Boyfriends daughter making him choose me or her

176 replies

blackvodka123vodka · 28/03/2022 16:17

I have been seeing my boyfriend for 2 1/4 years now, we are both going through divorce. We don’t live together He has met my kids since start but they are bit older 16,18&21 & get on well with him. He has his kids every other week & his a fab dad to his Austin son 14 & daughter 12. Their mother is very twisted & turns everything to suit herself including the kids not wanting to meet me (even though they had been separated 4 years when we met). My partner asked me to his nieces wedding in Cyprus in May which I was looking forward to going to to meet all the family with his kids. I got to meet his son aged 14 briefly few weeks ago in preparation but the daughter who is a spoilt madam aged 12 has now told her dad he must choice between taking me or her . Initially he said she may stay at home then as he wanted me there but now she is refusing to come stay with him til he changes his mind & the mum is not helping matters . He now has said Perphas it’s best I don’t go or no one goes but it is is niece . I don’t know what do do- should I just stay at home & tell him to take the kids giving in to the little madam or if my boyfriend gives in to her , maybe I should move on if she’s never going to allow us to be together happily.

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Tobacco · 28/03/2022 18:54

Don't date someone whose daughter you can't stand. She only gets one childhood

Mummyoflittledragon · 28/03/2022 18:55

I think the anger is misplaced and lies with this girl’s parents. Not a confused and manipulated 12 year old.

worriedatthistime · 28/03/2022 18:58

The op has called her a little madam on a anonymous thread not to her face
And whilst I agree kids come first to a degree, the op and her dp have been together over 2 years and the dp separated 6
So I don't think the dp child should be dictating to him who he can or cannot be with which ultimately she is as if they were to move in etc
I wonder if the ex wife has a new partner
But if the kid is rude and foul mouthed to her dad the dad needs to deal with it , sounds like he is easily manipulated by his daughter
Kids are clever and can easily play one of against the other as well

Crimeismymiddlename · 28/03/2022 19:02

A family wedding abroad would be the worst place/time to meet his children.
You do seem rather combative with a twelve year old, it’s your boyfriend who had the stupid idea. What is wrong with a low key lunch.

ldontWanna · 28/03/2022 19:05

@Mummyoflittledragon

I think the anger is misplaced and lies with this girl’s parents. Not a confused and manipulated 12 year old.
This . It's possible that the mum is manipulating her into doing this (if we believe that she is as twisted as OP claims). So a manipulative,twisted mother and a father where if OP had her way, was happy for his daughter to miss out,be pushed out of the way and be punished for her mother's manipulation.

Poor kid...

worriedatthistime · 28/03/2022 19:05

Op this is mumsnet and explains clearly why there is a lot of entitled kids about
Your dp should of been planning meets a while back if he expected to be all able to go to the wedding
His daughter refusing to meet be should be dealing with as she should not be dictating totally how he lived his life , despite what many on here say
Really the relationship is doomed if he isn't going to speak to her and put a plan in place for her to at least meet you
Personally he should go to the wedding alone

worriedatthistime · 28/03/2022 19:09

@ladydimitrescu it is the definition of blackmail
Your child may be upset that you won't met them do something you wouldn't back down if they then said unless you do this I will do a
The parents have been separated half her life
She hasn't met the Op so can't know if she likes or dislikes her
So should dad stay single forever
In a few years his dd will be off maybe meeting someone and he is then left alone
Children should be taken into account but not get to dictate an adult relationship

Fixyourself · 28/03/2022 19:11

I would bow out gracefully if I was you and did dance yourself from the relationship.
Tbh at 12 I probably would be feeling the same, especially to someone who obviously dislikes me!

Pumperthepumper · 28/03/2022 19:11

@worriedatthistime

Op this is mumsnet and explains clearly why there is a lot of entitled kids about Your dp should of been planning meets a while back if he expected to be all able to go to the wedding His daughter refusing to meet be should be dealing with as she should not be dictating totally how he lived his life , despite what many on here say Really the relationship is doomed if he isn't going to speak to her and put a plan in place for her to at least meet you Personally he should go to the wedding alone
No way, if there’s a mumsnet hive mind then it loves to punish a kid. Control any cost is overwhelmingly the mantra here. I’m on another thread just now about a troubled 11 year old (she was violent to her mother) and you would be amazed at how many posters advised violence. The average mumsnet poster is not a gentle parent.
DarkShade · 28/03/2022 19:16

You are being completely unreasonable I'm afraid. The way you talk about the girl is horrible and your expectations of both daughter and mother are way over the top. She is 12, she's entitled to not want to go on holiday with a stranger. She's entitled to not want to visit a dad who would prefer to take his girlfriend than her. She is not making him choose, she's 12!

Two things that don't make sense to me. If you've never met her, how is she using fowl language towards you? When she uses fowl language to her dad, why do you think that it's her mum's job to punish her or correct her behaviour, rather than the dad?

WonderfulYou · 28/03/2022 19:19

she is a disrespectful young madam regardless & has said the most horrible things about me & would regularly scream & use fowl language to her dad with no punishment from her mother.

How would you even know this when you’ve not even met her yet??

Honestly it doesn’t even matter. This relationship isn’t going to last so it’s better to just end things now than drag on and get caught up in a drama.

Mellowyellow222 · 28/03/2022 19:23

Regardless of the rights or wrongs - you clearly dislike a 12 year old child who you have never met.

Walk away - this isn’t bringing out the best in you.

Nanny0gg · 28/03/2022 19:37

@blackvodka123vodka

Some pretty vile people On this groupchat!! If you have nothing valuable to say at all I would keep your unhelpful opinions to yourself unless you know the full facts
Then do elaborate
CorvusPurpureus · 28/03/2022 20:02

She's 12, which means that she's absolutely a whisker off having full autonomy regarding how much time she spends with her dad.

She doesn't actually have to like OP, want to spend time with her, or take kindly to being called a 'little madam' or adversely compared to OP's ladylike daughters.

Nor does OP really need to attend her boyfriend's niece's overseas wedding. If the relationship has legs, that'll keep.

I say this kindly after being in an unsuccessful relationship with a perfectly pleasant bloke whose teenage dd decided to loathe me. Never mind that we'd been introduced by her mum, who was a mate of mine & thought I'd hit it off with her ex.

We did, & he was great, but he was absolutely hellbent on his dd liking me. She didn't like me. I wasn't her biggest fan either - she said some thoroughly nasty & uncalled for things about me to her dad & anyone else who'd listen - but she was a teenager, I was an adult.

So I told the nice bloke that I'd be quite happy to carry on dating him, but obviously there was no room for me in wider family events because this was distressing his kid, who needed to come first.

He was insistent on forcing a relationship that simply wasn't going to happen, so I wished him well & walked away. I recommend it.

We're still vaguely in touch, so I know, his dd hates his latest girlfriend, & he STILL can't see that he could just...go out with whoever he likes...without insisting that a) every woman he dates needs to pass the dd test & b) his dd has to welcome every new gf her dad dates as part of the 'family'.

To me, it tends to smack quite a lot of 'why can't these various females just orbit ME' tbh.

Londonderry34 · 28/03/2022 20:07

The 'little madam' is 12. Remember that? She's the priority. She's not an adult, she's still growing and working the world and life out. Please be kind.

worriedatthistime · 28/03/2022 20:08

@Pumperthepumper on the same thread only one advised violent that i see

mindutopia · 28/03/2022 20:10

But do you actually know this is how she is or is this the narrative her dad is telling you about her?

Because my mum married a man who told a similar narrative. His daughters hated him for divorcing their mum and meeting someone new, but he was just the perfect dad and she couldn’t understand how they could be so horrible. She absolutely ran their names through the mud for being so horrible and selfish little madams. It came out several years down the line that they hated him because he sexually abused them (was tried and convicted before he met my mum). She still tells everyone the story about how they are awful little bitches, even though she knows the truth. She’s similarly never met them in 15 years of them being together. We are obviously NC now.

That’s an extreme example but I’d just be cautious about the stories you believe second hand.

My3cents1 · 28/03/2022 20:11

12 year old daughter should always come first. You’re just a girlfriend to a man that hasn’t even divorced yet. She must come first.

wordler · 28/03/2022 20:15

You have a DP problem as they say on MN.

You don't really know anything about this 12-year-old girl or her mother as you have never met or experienced either.

Everything has come from your DP - why would he tell you about horrible things his daughter has said about you to your face? Either to hurt you, use it as an excuse for some reason to slow the relationship progress down.

I wonder what he tells his daughter about you? Perhaps she doesn't want to meet you because he's repeated your thoughts on her to her.

Pumperthepumper · 28/03/2022 20:19

[quote worriedatthistime]@Pumperthepumper on the same thread only one advised violent that i see [/quote]
No, there were loads. There’s a few deleted posts though, maybe mumsnet took them down.

Midlifemusings · 28/03/2022 20:29

The time to get to know your boyfriend's tween daughter is not at a family wedding. You should bow out gracefully. Let him go with this kids and keep the drama at home.

bellac11 · 28/03/2022 20:39

Notwithstanding OPs description of the girls (and some kids are brats and spoilt), Im wondering what the answers to the questions are as to what the boyfriend is telling OP, how does he view his daughter

OP has already said that there were previous attempts for her and the daughter to be introduced but the daughter didnt want to which is ok

However the father really should write his daughter a card and say it in that he loves her, she wont be replaced in his life but they both have been invited to the wedding and he has a +1 to take and thats going to be OP and that he would love for his daughter to be with him and also have a lovely holiday but if she doesnt want to go with him and OP he understands that and if that means that she doesnt want to see him anymore he also understands that but that he loves her and that will never change. Also to say that he would love it if she did come and meet OP for a meal out or a trip somewhere so that they could get to know each other before the wedding

Then he should go to the wedding with OP

(thats if they are going to stay together)

ArmWrestlingWithChasNDave · 28/03/2022 20:41

Don't get your feathers ruffled just because she wants you to cluck off. You must beak kind and perhaps she'll turn out to be a good egg.

Calphurnia88 · 28/03/2022 20:51

@ArmWrestlingWithChasNDave

Don't get your feathers ruffled just because she wants you to cluck off. You must beak kind and perhaps she'll turn out to be a good egg.
Grin
Patienceisntvirtuous · 28/03/2022 20:59

@ArmWrestlingWithChasNDave

Don't get your feathers ruffled just because she wants you to cluck off. You must beak kind and perhaps she'll turn out to be a good egg.
GrinGrin

Yes op
This is a pretty fowl situation I agree. It may teach you not to put all your eggs in one basket though.

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