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Does your DH shout at you?

226 replies

peacefullife · 23/02/2022 14:44

Just that really. It started after we had kids. Now he’s losing his temper and shouting as a way of life. I never know what’s going to set him off. Yesterday one of the breakfast bowls slipped out of my hand and it split some milk on the floor that I immediately cleaned up. He went from super smiley chatty to shout “what the fuck are you doing. Be careful” in front of the kids. The look of anger was the worst. Blazing hatred from his eyes. He then just acts like nothing has happened and wants hugs/kisses and then gets annoyed because I don’t want to chat away happily to someone who has just roasted me in front of my kids. Do you think it’s reasonable to comment/shout anytime anything unexpected happens in the house? Like a spoon being dropped for example? I’d like to know how other people’s households work. I hate it and it’s making me anxious, withdrawn and depressed. I hate raised voices and it makes me feel incompetent. It’s filtering through to every aspect of my life.

OP posts:
KatherineJaneway · 23/02/2022 17:22

Now he’s losing his temper and shouting as a way of life.

It's as a way of controlling you all.

Enko · 23/02/2022 17:32

Dh will shout if frustrated or if concerned when the children were younger that they were in danger. But never AT us or OVER us. if I was to drop a bowl he would help me clean it up not yell at me for doing it.

OP please try to get yourself some counselling.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 23/02/2022 17:39

Oh, fuck that for a game of soldiers.

What you need is a divorce.

Shouting is a physical assault - it hurts the ears and, going by my ex, I could feel it thudding into my ribcage and back. Of course, it went on to become full blown violence.

The loudest disagreement between me and DP has been probably what you'd call Teacher Voice or Projection (and carried out at an instinctive distance of about ten foot)- it's an entirely different physical act to speak clearly than it is to shout and it's a choice to use one's voice like that.

What your husband is doing is physically assaulting you and the children with his voice. He's pathetic and he's repulsive. Such a big man he needs to use sound to scare everybody around him, barking like a big old dog.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 23/02/2022 17:42

@ApathyMartha

My dad was like this. It took me many years to realise that this wasn’t normal. We were on eggshells when he was in the house. It has impacted on my self esteem and did unseen damage to my mental health that my DH is brilliant with but this then makes me feel guilty. I am dealing with my feelings towards my dad for this in counselling now but I am also angry at my mum for not stopping this. You are worth more and so are your children.
Please read this OP. Then read it again. And again. This is how your poor kids are growing up.
miltonj · 23/02/2022 17:44

No. And I wouldn't stand for it if he did. Unless we were both shouting/having an argument which I think is different. We don't do that anyway and it's not ideal but that's different to it just being your husband flying off the handle and basically bullying you,

I had to listen to my dad do this to my mum for years and I hated it. He did the same to us. Fair enough if we were being naughty but I mean for ridiculous things like your examples, dropping things or standing in the wrong place.

I'd make it very clear now that it needs to stop and you will not tolerate it for either yourself or you kids. They'll thank you for it one day. If he can't stop then it's time to reconsider his place in your life.

ukborn · 23/02/2022 17:45

Never.

me4real · 23/02/2022 17:45

I don't feel empathetic/understanding towards these men like some other posters are being- not at all.

I don't care about their childhoods etc, or that the poor things might be stressed. It's not ok.

I had to live with this from my father. It's very damaging to children and can effect them for life- lifelong anxiety etc. It' part of why I'm disabled and unable to work for life, and don't want a live-in partner.

Never again from any man.

He's bad for your mental health and is emotionally abusive @peacefullife .

So my choices are to immediately say “sorry” everytime he gets angry regardless what it is that’s set him off eg dropping the bowl. Why should I apologise to another adult? or just to totally ignore it and him as if it never happened and “fake happy it” until he’s jollied out of it.

Yo do have another choice- to separate from him. It'd be better for you and your DC.

myhairygoat · 23/02/2022 17:46

I could’ve written this about my DH. It’s utterly soul destroying. Everyone else thinks he’s “a lovely man”.

me4real · 23/02/2022 17:49

I think it effects how children's brains develop, as they can't relax fully at home.

me4real · 23/02/2022 17:50

@myhairygoat Bin, Hairy, bin.

me4real · 23/02/2022 17:51

@peacefullife As PP's said, it also effected my relationship with my mum, as she didn't stand up for me against the abuse (and it is abuse.)

Crikeyalmighty · 23/02/2022 18:00

I feel for you OP, my h has real anger management issues which after 26 years have worn me down. He gets frustrated when anything doesn't go smoothly , bit of a control freak, he needs to be that way in his job but it's definitely spilled over into non work. He actually gets pissed off if I'm not well,got a cold, in case he gets it etc.the older ive got the more I think if finance wasnt an issue that I see why many older women with no kids,at home would rather be on their own, a lot of guys over 50 seem to turn into complete controlling joysuckers

DillyDilly · 23/02/2022 18:01

That’s no way for yourself or your children to live, would you consider separation ? Why would you tolerate him shouting at you or your children - it’s wrong on so many levels. Think of the damage it’s doing to your children.

Pashazade · 23/02/2022 18:02

Been together 22 years. As we've matured it's become less and less but to be honest more of the shouting was from me in our early days. Now maybe once a year if we are both extremely stressed by something, but it is never personal attacks ever. But it is always resolved with apologies on both sides, never any sulking or long silences. Sometimes a bit of space while we calm down but what you're describing is something I would not tolerate.

peacefullife · 23/02/2022 18:05

@Pashazade does some space include sleeping separately in seething anger/silence overnight?

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Pashazade · 23/02/2022 18:14

No, he tried it once when he had upset me about something, I told him not to be a bloody idiot (said in a normal voice) and he came back to bed, I was mad but knew doing that was him being a martyr which wasn't on.
There was no seething anger, that is not a thing in our house. If you're that cross you get called out on it and it gets discussed/sorted. I get pissed off occasionally but I do generally try and follow the adage of not going to sleep on an argument. But honestly day to day we don't fight or argue. I might get annoyed, so might he but we either suck it up if it's minor irritants (which definitely occur when you've been together this long) or we talk it out if it's more important to our functioning as a family/couple.

Littlebird43 · 23/02/2022 18:16

Blimey you could be talking about my home life. Since having children my DH has been through some massive grumpy patches.
He keeps saying he can't cope with my anxiety - but my anxiety was a problem I had 3 yrs ago when children were small and not sleeping. I don't have anxiety any more (at least only normal and occasional amounts). He on the other hand has massive stress levels and the stress is always taken out on me in rudeness, accusations grumpyness etc. He is always taking on too much as if he is in some competition to keep achieving more. I keep trying to get him to see how he takes out his stress on us (he recognises his father was 'always grumpy' which helps him to look at his own behaviour) I try to steer him to deal with his stress in other ways, to prioritise what he is actually trying to achieve and cut back on worrying about some things. We have just worked through a 3 year plan for our family life which I think will help. I also pointed out that dealing with his stress put me off having sex with him - I think he took that point on board!

CheekyHobson · 23/02/2022 18:19

he will get aggressive via email with organisations/strangers. He’s sweet as pie to everyone else. Sometimes he’s borderline nasty through piss taking/mockery. He’s brutally honest. When he turns on the charm everyone fawns over him. In general people would say “really nice guy”

It feels like he’s determined to prove I’m not perfect? While at the same time it not being ok to take any kind of criticism at all. It’s very hard to untangle

He gets really angry and lashes. Face red. Eyes flashing. He then has his vicious say and off he strops. Then he’s holed up in the bedroom and not speaking for days on end until I apologise. There’s no way to resolve it by approaching it like that because he’s just too furious and will not back down. He’s said before that if I didn’t “push back” and insist on being “right” then it wouldn’t be a problem. But it is a problem. So my choices are to immediately say “sorry” everytime he gets angry regardless what it is that’s set him off eg dropping the bowl.

All this I could have written word-for-word about my ex, who now has a formal diagnosis of narcissism from a psychologist.

I would suggest doing a lot of reading about narcissism and see what rings true for you. There's a lot to process and get to understand about the disorder.

(Side note: Do not tell your husband about this as it will likely only upset him, but it will start to give you clarity and some assurance that you're not crazy.)

It's likely your husband comes from an abusive family or experienced significant social trauma as a teenager so has formed dysfunctional mental models of how to operate in relationships. It can be treated (but not cured... depending on the severity of his condition, the dysfunctional thinking will likely recur throughout his life when he is under stress) but it takes a hell of a lot of work and willingness on his part, as well as your ability to have compassion for the fact that he suffered trauma as a child/young adult and is damaged by it.

You will also need to work to fix your own people-pleasing tendencies and start to put crystal-clear boundaries in place that you are prepared to enforce. A good example of this relating to your current situation might be (delivered at a time when he is calm and you can talk for a while afterwards):

"Husband, I need to talk to you about your shouting. When you shout at me, I find it extremely stressful and upsetting. I feel like you're shaming me and trying to frighten me into never making mistakes or having accidents. But every person in the world makes mistakes and has accidents, and shouting in anger only creates an atmosphere of fear and stress around completely normal events, even if those events are not ideal.

"Your repeated shouting is making me and the children unhappy to the point where I am strongly reconsidering whether I want to remain in this relationship. It's not a healthy environment for me or them. I understand that you get upset when something doesn't go right but creating an atmosphere of fear and shame won't fix a broken plate or erase a poorly-thought-out sentence.

I would like you to commit to stopping shouting at me and the kids. I understand that it's a long-term habit and probably won't change perfectly overnight, but I can't live with the expectation that it's fine and normal any longer. If you shout by accident, I expect you to immediately recognise that it's an unhealthy way to handle problems, apologise, and take yourself away to cool off until you can approach the issue calmly. I will make the same commitment to you. I need you to understand this is a deal-breaker for me. I love you but I cannot live with the unhappiness your shouting is causing me anymore."

Your husband's response to this will tell you a lot. If he insists that shouting is totally normal and fine and he's not going to change who he is and your expectations are totally unrealistic etc etc, this is a clear sign that he is not ready to address his issues at all. Do not try to argue with him; it will go nowhere. Just say, "Okay. I can see we have very different perspectives on this. Thank you for being honest with how you see it."

Then make firm plans to leave. I'm completely serious. If your husband can't address an issue of respect as basic as not shouting in anger at people he loves, you are only in for many more years of pain in the future.

If he shows some recognition of his issues, but seems uncertain about his ability to change, suggest therapy. Casting it as couples therapy might help, but stay clear in your mind that you do not cause him to shout – this is a 'him' problem. A good couples therapist will be on your side with this one.

RandomMess · 23/02/2022 18:29

Read "Why does he do that" by Lundy Bancroft.

You need to get your ducks in a row and leave, he is damaging you and the DC.

Thanks
HeyMoana · 23/02/2022 18:41

My husband was a shouter. He still can be in times of stress. He wouldn't shout over everyday things like that, it was more that he'd pick fights as an excuse to shout and off load his feelings onto me.
It used to make me feel dreadful, like I was walking on eggshells.
Luckily, overtime he has made real efforts to change and whilst it is still his flaw, it doesn't effect our lives much at all. When he does it, which is rarely, I say as he's heating up ( banging things about and talking under his breath ) " Go for a walk please" and he does.
No amount of trying to make him understand caused the change, it was something he arrived at as I stopped hiding the natural consequences of his behaviour from him.
Your situation sounds very challenging for you and pretty damaging for your kids. It's not acceptable and regardless of what you do, please don't loose sight of that.

Duracellbunnywannabe · 23/02/2022 18:43

@peacefullife

It’s destroyed my self confidence. I’m fake happy all the time and can’t forge real friendships. I’m so terrified of offending anyone. I’ve turned into an overt people pleaser.
And that’s what he wants from you. He is abusing you and your children so he can control your behaviour.
itsnotdeep · 23/02/2022 18:45

OP, stop trying to disentangle it all and just get your children out of that awful, damaging, environment. You don't have a choice really. Good luck.

needhelp34 · 23/02/2022 18:47

I think shouting is normal, tbh. We all get stressed and angry and shouting is a way to express that - even in front of the kids. But it’s important that a stressed and angry outburst is acknowledged and addressed. It needs to be spoken about, there needs to be a narrative around it and responsibility needs to be taken by the person expressing their anger in that way.

What your DH is doing is out of proportion and aggressive. He doesn't address it and doesn’t take responsibility for it. If you’re frightened your DC will be frightened. This is why most people have an issue with anger, this is how it is modelled.

If he followed his outburst with ‘I’m sorry, I shouldn’t have spoken to you like that, it gave me a fright. I shouldn’t have overreacted’ and then he listened to how it made you feel, and the kids saw him take responsibility and see that you have your feelings listened to, and then he endeavoured to change that pattern of behaviour. That you could work with. But he’s not. He has anger issues and he thinks your a legitimate target and he’s modelling all of that to your DC. None of that’s ok.

mswales · 23/02/2022 18:59

I'm really surprised no one is picking up on what you said about how he treats the kids. They can't cry if they hurt themselves because he'll yell at them? They've learned to always watch what they say and do around him for fear he'll explode? This is going to seriously damage them as they grow up, it's abuse, you have to get them away from him. You need to protect them. As well as yourself.

Mossstitch · 23/02/2022 19:11

Please get those children away! It will affect them for life. I'm over 60 and still jump at raised voices or if someone comes up behind me when I wasn't aware of them. Low self esteem, people pleaser as always trying to not make waves as a child and keep the atmosphere calm and everybody happy........ Except me!!