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Money issues and selfish attitude are killing our relationship

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PickledCucumber · 08/02/2022 12:45

DP and I have been together for 2 years. In that time we've been dealing with an interfering ex (his). She's used their two teenage girls against him, not allowing contact and reporting him to the CMS to pay more maintenance (they had an agreement in place for years which worked and he is a reliable dad and always paid) to 'punish' him for moving on and having a new relationship. She was the one who broke up the marriage in the first place because she had an affair. That relationship didn't work out and I think she was trying to get back with my DP and him moving on with me riled her.

He and I don't live together. There has been mention of doing this 'when the time is right' and also of getting engaged ('maybe this Christmas'). I just feel that things are not progressing as I want them to. I understand how his head is messed up with how his ex has treated him and it's definitely affecting his relationship with me. I know that she will be delighted with this outcome as she has been so cruel and devious with her actions since he met me.

He has almost £13K of credit card debt which he amassed when they were together (buying her a car, holidays, etc). He has a good job and earns 30something K a year but he is crippled with the money he has to pay out each month in child maintenance and repaying the debt. We rarely go out. Any time we go away I book and pay for it. I go and stay at his at weekends and buy all the food and cook and clean up for him. I buy him stuff for his house that needs replaced. I give him money to help pay his bills. I don't mind helping him out but am I a bad person to say that I get really frustrated sometimes and feel like I'm being mugged off. Recently he invited me to go out to his social club for a few drinks and I jumped at the chance even though I had worked a nine hour shift that day. I came home, got dressed up and drove over to his only to find him in his pjs and he said he'd changed his mind about going out. I was really upset and annoyed and felt like driving home but I was utterly exhausted so just went to his bed and cried myself to sleep. This weekend we were supposed to go out for dinner, his idea to apologise for his behaviour. That didn't work out either as there was rugby and golf he had to watch. I went out to the supermarket to buy food to cook instead. I know I'm an idiot for putting up with this but I love and care for him so much. I also feel like I'm to blame for how his ex is treating him. If it wasn't for me being in his life she wouldn't have taken the case with the CMS. I feel like we can never move on with our lives together because of his debt and never be able to go out and go places. We're in our 50s and I just feel like I'm wasting my life. But I can't leave him. I've broken up with him before because of these issues but he always pleads with me to get back and because I'm so in love with him I end up back in the same situation.

Sharing this now as I need some impartial advice. I've talked to my mother about it and she has told me to leave him and when I mention that we're still together she doesn't even acknowledge his existence any more. He was on the phone to me this morning in tears because he knows he's f'ed up again this weekend. He said it's because of what his ex is doing not letting him see his children and it's depressing him and he doesn't feel like doing anything, he only wants to sit in the house when he's not working and watch tv. He says he can't lose me. I feel like I'd be a bad person to leave someone who is in this state of mind but I can't keep going in a relationship and keep my sanity if this is how it's going to be time after time.

OP posts:
Fireflygal · 10/02/2022 07:52

@Tears11, why not start your own thread as I really hope you feel able to leave.

Valeriekat · 11/02/2022 13:17

@BronwenFrideswide

He admitted he's f'ed up again and that he doesn't blame me for wanting to dump him. He said he wants to buy me flowers and a card for VD (this is new, before he said he wouldn't get roped into the commercialism around VD)

Ah he wants to buy you flowers and a card and guess what he'll suddenly have no money to do so, but he really wanted to do it. Also, why tell you this? If he wanted to do it he'd just go and do it he's priming you for the I just don't have the money when he fails to deliver.

He'll always let you down, OP.

Wait and see if the flowers and card materialise on Monday! If you haven't dumped him by then.
Sugartitsorahilly · 11/02/2022 16:32

If his wife hasn't divorced him, couldn't she have a claim on your property?

layladomino · 11/02/2022 16:59

You seem to have some bitterness to his ex. He was obviously under paying her for years. She had every right to go to the CMS and did the right thing. You cannot begrudge the man paying for his children's upkeep.

This isn't just about money though is it. It's about how he treats you. And that has nothing to do with his ex or his children. He treats you like a mug. Why are you cooking and cleaning for him? Why are you spending money on a 'romantic' week end with someone who doesn't 'do' romance? Why are you putting up with him treating you like you don't really matter? Like he can have you running around and let you down and you'll just accept it and come back for more?

Why are you spending so much time worrying about him and his wellbeing when he doesn't seem to give a fig about yours?

His debts are his debts. Not his ex's. He has painted himself as some sort of victim. Everything wrong in his life is someone else's fault. And it's someone else's job (often yours) to make his life easier and put his mistakes right.

I would honestly leave. I'd forget the week end away. If you can't get the money back see if you can sell it someone else / gift it to someone / go with someone else or on your own. He doesn't deserve it and you'll just waste more time on him.

CheekyHobson · 11/02/2022 19:09

I think a couple of other posters have gotten the number of your hopefully soon-to-be-ex. He sounds like a classic narcissist to me.

  • He's the 'victim' of a cheating ex... but is it possible she cheated because she was worn down by years of emotional neglect (just like you're getting) and got caught up when someone showed her kindness and attention? Not saying it's right, but if you're starving, even dry bread looks good
  • He underpaid CM for years because of his 'debt' on things he 'bought for her' – 'her' being his actual wife at the time, right? Again, these 'gifts' could well have been bought by him as 'bribes' to get her to stay every time she became fed up with his selfishness and neglect. Whenever narcissists think they're about to be left by their partner, there's a big burst of sudden declarations of love/bursts of effort and extravagant gifts as bribes, along with guilt-trips and acting like the victim. This could even be the case after they broke up – he may have been trying to entice her back
  • He doesn't seem as bothered by the lack of contact with his kids as he does about having to pony up money that he neglected to supply for their care. Ask yourself carefully whether a decent man would really think it's okay to deprive his kids for years because he had previously spent money he didn't have on luxuries he couldn't afford (I don't imagine he stayed home while his wife went off on holidays by herself, or that he had no car while she did)
  • He's dangling relationship carrots in front of you (maybe you'll move in, maybe you'll get engaged, maybe he'll confront his long-standing hatred of romance and get you some flowers or something on Valentine's Day) to keep you hanging on in the hope of better but somehow these promises rarely seem to materialise, or if they do, they'll be a disappointing and watered-down version that you have to make yourself feel grateful for
  • He treats you like an unpaid cook, cleaner and sugar mummy but can he be bothered to arrange any kind of nice occasion for you, even if someone else is paying for it (work event)? No.

It's hard, but take a big step back and try to see how many of this guy's attractive qualities are provably real based on your personal experience with him (eg lovely things he does for you, complimentary and encouraging words he says to you) and verifiable facts (eg bank statements), and how much is a flattering illusion based on stories he's told you (and you are taking on trust but have not independently verified with anyone else) or are visions of the future you have created in your head and hope might come true (ie that you will get engaged and have a happy life together).

Ukholidaysaregreat · 11/02/2022 19:31

Don't go back to him for a bunch of VD flowers. That is a shit effort from him. Contact the b an b and see if you can move the weekend you have booked to another day and take your best friend or your child. Don't lose money cos of him. Or just go and take books, eat the food and have a great weekend. He would probably just moan all the way through it.

VanGoghsDog · 11/02/2022 20:56

@Sugartitsorahilly

If his wife hasn't divorced him, couldn't she have a claim on your property?
No, they don't live together.
waterSpider · 11/02/2022 21:00

CMS will go down in a year, and end in 3 years, if you were still looking for 'silver linings' (though I'm sure many will point out that the cost of kids will continue for some time after) ...

Force0FNatureFace · 12/02/2022 01:57

You give him money to pay his bills

You pay for food, cook, clean when you visit

He is not your child !

How un romantic

End this today !

Force0FNatureFace · 12/02/2022 02:00

If you have the means, book yourself a lovely holiday later in the year
It will give you something to look forward to

Do something nice for YOU for a change

DreamTheMoors · 12/02/2022 03:04

@PickledCucumber

Thanks everyone, I know you're absolutely correct in what you are advising. I need to break up with him and keep to it. But I know it will devastate him and make him even more depressed. This weekend I have booked and paid for a fancy b&b for us to stay in for Valentine's Day. I have to go through with it as it's non refundable. Should I give him a final ultimatum then or never believe that he will change and finish with him after the trip?
#B

Then when you get home, write yourself a post it note and put it on your bathroom mirror:

I AM BETTER THAN THIS

Read it every time you do your makeup, comb your hair and brush your teeth.
Pretty soon you’ll start to believe it. ❤️

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