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Money issues and selfish attitude are killing our relationship

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PickledCucumber · 08/02/2022 12:45

DP and I have been together for 2 years. In that time we've been dealing with an interfering ex (his). She's used their two teenage girls against him, not allowing contact and reporting him to the CMS to pay more maintenance (they had an agreement in place for years which worked and he is a reliable dad and always paid) to 'punish' him for moving on and having a new relationship. She was the one who broke up the marriage in the first place because she had an affair. That relationship didn't work out and I think she was trying to get back with my DP and him moving on with me riled her.

He and I don't live together. There has been mention of doing this 'when the time is right' and also of getting engaged ('maybe this Christmas'). I just feel that things are not progressing as I want them to. I understand how his head is messed up with how his ex has treated him and it's definitely affecting his relationship with me. I know that she will be delighted with this outcome as she has been so cruel and devious with her actions since he met me.

He has almost £13K of credit card debt which he amassed when they were together (buying her a car, holidays, etc). He has a good job and earns 30something K a year but he is crippled with the money he has to pay out each month in child maintenance and repaying the debt. We rarely go out. Any time we go away I book and pay for it. I go and stay at his at weekends and buy all the food and cook and clean up for him. I buy him stuff for his house that needs replaced. I give him money to help pay his bills. I don't mind helping him out but am I a bad person to say that I get really frustrated sometimes and feel like I'm being mugged off. Recently he invited me to go out to his social club for a few drinks and I jumped at the chance even though I had worked a nine hour shift that day. I came home, got dressed up and drove over to his only to find him in his pjs and he said he'd changed his mind about going out. I was really upset and annoyed and felt like driving home but I was utterly exhausted so just went to his bed and cried myself to sleep. This weekend we were supposed to go out for dinner, his idea to apologise for his behaviour. That didn't work out either as there was rugby and golf he had to watch. I went out to the supermarket to buy food to cook instead. I know I'm an idiot for putting up with this but I love and care for him so much. I also feel like I'm to blame for how his ex is treating him. If it wasn't for me being in his life she wouldn't have taken the case with the CMS. I feel like we can never move on with our lives together because of his debt and never be able to go out and go places. We're in our 50s and I just feel like I'm wasting my life. But I can't leave him. I've broken up with him before because of these issues but he always pleads with me to get back and because I'm so in love with him I end up back in the same situation.

Sharing this now as I need some impartial advice. I've talked to my mother about it and she has told me to leave him and when I mention that we're still together she doesn't even acknowledge his existence any more. He was on the phone to me this morning in tears because he knows he's f'ed up again this weekend. He said it's because of what his ex is doing not letting him see his children and it's depressing him and he doesn't feel like doing anything, he only wants to sit in the house when he's not working and watch tv. He says he can't lose me. I feel like I'd be a bad person to leave someone who is in this state of mind but I can't keep going in a relationship and keep my sanity if this is how it's going to be time after time.

OP posts:
2bazookas · 08/02/2022 15:45

I think you're right; you're being mugged off.

Maybe he also mugged off the ex which was the real reason she left him and is still determined to squeeze the pips out. That's certainly more credible than her wanting to get back with such a prize.

ChargingBuck · 08/02/2022 15:49

I crave the security that comes from a stable relationship.

Pickle, you have raised strong & successful DC.
You have a mum who sees your b/f clearly for what he is.
(Your dad ... see @AttilaTheMeerkat's posts, she is bang-on.)

You do need another stable relationship - but it's not with this man, & neither is it - yet - with any other man.
The security you crave will come when you develop a proper relationship with yourself.
The only way to get there is to spend time with yourself, committedly single, for as long as it takes.

First off - dump this man.
2 - get a copy of this book - www.amazon.co.uk/Woman-Your-Own-Right-Assertiveness/dp/0704334208?tag=mumsnetforu03-21
3 - go & salvage some enjoyment from the B&B weekend, solo, or with your mum or a friend.
4 - enrol on The Freedom Programme, to explore understand the dynamic of abusive relationships, how to spot red flags, & how to value yourself so you no longer respond to men who want you to do the Pick-Me Dance for them.
www.freedomprogramme.co.uk/online.php
5 - find an excellent therapist who can support you as you find some understanding of your own early family background, the poor relationship with a neglectful, emotionally absent father, & how this impacted your ability to establish & maintain boundaries.
Your GP would be a good place to start with 5) - they will be able to recommend established, experienced therapists.
Bear in mind that you need to find both the therapy style & individual that suits you. It's fine to 'shop around' until you find one who - ideally - you feel both comfortable with & challenged by.

There is NO security in a relationship with your b/f.
In fact, he is making you less secure, & more miserable, every day you spend with him on this fake relationship. PP's observation upthread was correct - stop ringing him, stop paying for him, stop doing his cleaning & shopping & cooking & you will soon see the man for what he is.

Finally - don't despair.
You DO have instincts & boundaries - you just haven't had enough practice in applying them to yourself. But when it's your loved ones -
If my daughter told me she is in this kind of relationship I'd absolutely tell her to get the hell out and not look back.

You need to carve some time out for yourself to learn how to love yourself as if you were your own daughter.
Flowers

TatianaBis · 08/02/2022 15:56

@PickledCucumber

Thanks everyone, I know you're absolutely correct in what you are advising. I need to break up with him and keep to it. But I know it will devastate him and make him even more depressed. This weekend I have booked and paid for a fancy b&b for us to stay in for Valentine's Day. I have to go through with it as it's non refundable. Should I give him a final ultimatum then or never believe that he will change and finish with him after the trip?
Well maybe it does. Maybe it will make him think twice about being a twat in future relationships. Or maybe he will just put his feet up and watch the rugby expecting someone else to run round after him.
Sugarplumfairy65 · 08/02/2022 16:04

@PickledCucumber

Oh wow. You are all so right. Im becoming very emotional reading these replies. I need to stay strong and listen to your advice and end it despite the obvious heartache I'm going to suffer.

Sorry if I've missed any questions you've asked...

I know what he's told me about the debt and CMS is true as I've seen the paperwork.

His DDs are 15 & 17. He's tried to make contact with messages and offers to take them out/to stay at his house but they've all gone unanswered.

Stop blaming his ex and start blaming him. He was under paying support for his children probably for years. The ex may still be living in the marital home but she'll also be paying the mortgage, at those ages the children can decide for themselves if they want to see their dad. They've probably seen how he's treated her over the years and decided he's a deadbeat. It sounds like they've been separated for a long time? He may well have credit card debt, but I wouldn't believe it was his ex's debt without seeing the statements from when she was spending on them. He's spinning you a line so that you feel sorry for him. He's got you just where he wants you
HazelBite · 08/02/2022 16:04

Op I have read all the posts on this thread and agree he is hugely taking advantage and this would make me think (if I were in your position) I was convenient for him.
I think he probably is "into" you but is incredibly self centered, why don't you try just not being so available to him, stop seeing him weekends, catering for him etc, when he asks where you are what are you doing tell him you are "depressed" because you are short of money/ never go out/ never have fun etc.
See how he reacts, see if he gets his act together, and start trating you like you derserve to be treated, if not don't give him the benefit of the doubt as by thgem you will be so fed up you won't feel any qualms about kicking him into touch.
Good luck look after yourself and take yourself off for your weekend he may get to wonder why you have gone without him!

jelly79 · 08/02/2022 17:09

Why force someone to do valentines with you.

Go with a friend. Or your mum.

You will forever be frustrated by this man and directing your anger to his ex isn't productive

Walk away

PickledCucumber · 08/02/2022 17:57

I'm a hopeless romantic and I really wanted V D to be special. You're correct, I shouldn't have forced him into going. I've lost control of my senses over this man. I pride myself on always having common sense and I drilled it into my DCs from an early age.

I can't go with anyone else to this venue as it's totally geared towards a place for couples: four poster bed, romantic dinner prepared by the host (I've already selected the courses to suit his tastes and likes regarding cuisine). I'm going to cancel and just suffer the hit financially. In the grand scheme of things it's a drop in the ocean in what I've already spent on him.

OP posts:
pheonixrebirth · 08/02/2022 17:59

His DDs are 15 & 17. He's tried to make contact with messages and offers to take them out/to stay at his house but they've all gone unanswered.

Kinda makes you wonder how many times he has let his girls down for them to not even answer him?! They are both at an age where they can see right through him and probably have.

Also he HAD to watch the rugby and the golf, erm nope that was a choice, that was his priority-not you.

And he somehow can magically afford a golf membership and all the social side that comes with it.

Then he sees you and it's all woe is me. 🥺poor me😩it's my exes fault😢please don't leave me😔I'm depressed 😭my mental health 😫

Fuck that. Get yourself and a mate to the hotel was a well deserved rest away from this sorry excuse of a man.
And send your Mum a big bunch of flowers for her wonderful advice.ThanksThanksThanks

Triffid1 · 08/02/2022 18:01

@PickledCucumber

I'm a hopeless romantic and I really wanted V D to be special. You're correct, I shouldn't have forced him into going. I've lost control of my senses over this man. I pride myself on always having common sense and I drilled it into my DCs from an early age.

I can't go with anyone else to this venue as it's totally geared towards a place for couples: four poster bed, romantic dinner prepared by the host (I've already selected the courses to suit his tastes and likes regarding cuisine). I'm going to cancel and just suffer the hit financially. In the grand scheme of things it's a drop in the ocean in what I've already spent on him.

Not sure this is helpful but I have a few girlfriends who would come to such a thing and we'd have a good giggle about the romance.

Also, the hotel might well allow you to swap to a twin room.... Or, if it's not too far away, have dinner with a friend then go enjoy the four poster alone!

Fairylightsongs · 08/02/2022 18:02

Good god. He pays for golf and short pays for his own kids and makes you pay for him? What are you doing with this waster? Stop paying for him op and mummying him.

NowEvenBetter · 08/02/2022 18:11

‘He has my heart’ 😄 has your purse, more like it.

He’s making a total mug of you, and you’re allowing it. It comes across as beyond desperate that you’re paying this man to be in your life, are you not repulsed by him? Where’s your anger?

Menstrualcycledisplayteam · 08/02/2022 19:00

I agree with this; put an invitation out to your friends. You deserve a break and a laugh. Don't lose your money until you've at least tried. And good luck; you seem lovely you just have to raise your expectations a bit (a lot). Xx

EKGEMS · 08/02/2022 19:25

Oh my GOD-'He doesn't do valentines' He doesn't 'do' anything if he is expected to pay-he's got you for that! Christ on a cracker-go someplace this weekend and get the word WELCOME removed from your forehead and instead of going on the 'romantic weekend' you've planned and paid for take your mother

ChargingBuck · 08/02/2022 19:38

I can't go with anyone else to this venue as it's totally geared towards a place for couples: four poster bed, romantic dinner prepared by the host (I've already selected the courses to suit his tastes and likes regarding cuisine).

What do you mean - "can't"?
It's a B&B, with delicious food & comfortable rooms.
Stop allowing convention to dictate what you can & can't do.

If you really can't face going, how about donating the stay to another friend? Although as a PP observed upthread, if your mum is free to take you up on it, you could make this a celebration of you seeing the light about your b/f, & a chance to give you & your mum some luxurious time together.

upupandawaytoday · 08/02/2022 19:47

You sound like you are dating my stbxh

I feel sorry for his gf as he has spun her the same bullshit this one is giving you.

You (and stbxh gf) deserve so much more!

movingon2022 · 08/02/2022 19:51

Reading all this OP I am just confused thinking, why exactly do you love this man, what attracted you to him and how can you feel "safe" with him? He is broke, cheep, selfish, mean, boring, lazy, lying man child. He blames his ex for his financial hardships, he has no relationship with his kids, he takes your money, your love, your attention, let's you clean and upgrade his house, does not want to do anything fun with you, in fact does not care what you want at all and when you leave him he blackmails you threatening to go mad, or die or whatever. I do not see one single good trait on this man, so why are you with him?

From what you say you are a all around successful woman, professionally, as a mother, as a friend and a daughter. You are a grown women who has everything you need to be happy and content. Leave this man, and yes, get some counseling to help you accept and love yourself better. A woman does not need a man to make her whole. YOU ARE ENOUGH.

rookiemere · 08/02/2022 20:16

Could you see if the B&B would swap to a different night ? Cry down the phone to them and say your evil boyfriend has broken up with you and you can't go now. They might give you a refund or agree to let you come on a less couply night.

readyshreddiescook · 08/02/2022 20:32

@PickledCucumber

I'm a hopeless romantic and I really wanted V D to be special. You're correct, I shouldn't have forced him into going. I've lost control of my senses over this man. I pride myself on always having common sense and I drilled it into my DCs from an early age.

I can't go with anyone else to this venue as it's totally geared towards a place for couples: four poster bed, romantic dinner prepared by the host (I've already selected the courses to suit his tastes and likes regarding cuisine). I'm going to cancel and just suffer the hit financially. In the grand scheme of things it's a drop in the ocean in what I've already spent on him.

Why don't you go to your VD event on your own? You may find it liberating - I would love it. You could have your food delivered to your room as room service if you didn't fancy eating in the restaurant. Take the time to sit and be calm and contemplate life.

Or take your son/daughter? Who cares if if it is set up for couples. Me and my niece have booked anti-valentines weekends away when we've been single and have just taken books and magazines and had spa treatments and dinner and just enjoyed the time away.

Don't waste the opportunity to get away - just don't take him.

AfraidToRun · 08/02/2022 22:37

You are not the common denominator. People who respect their partners usually respect everyone.

Abusive, manipulative aresholes only respect those who they deem to have status and even then superficially. As soon as they feel they have you stuck emotionally, physically etc then you are devalued.

Relationships are hard work but they are not this hard work. My partner has never made me cry, the last one made me cry endlessly. I'm.done with that in my life. I hope you are too.

PickledCucumber · 08/02/2022 23:16

Feeling very vulnerable and sad tonight. Firstly, I've never put anything like this on a public forum before. I feel like I'm emotionally crushed. Added to this, I've told him how I feel about the last two disappointing weekends and how I can't keep getting hurt. I was in tears and my head and is aching so much over all this. He admitted he's f'ed up again and that he doesn't blame me for wanting to dump him. He said he wants to buy me flowers and a card for VD (this is new, before he said he wouldn't get roped into the commercialism around VD). Re the trip away, I agreed to sleep on it and decide in the morning about what to do. I foolishly feel sorry for him but I need to keep reminding myself about how he continually lets me down. I will reread all your comments in the morning before I make the final decision.

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IrishKatie1971 · 08/02/2022 23:18

He must have a golden tipped penis or something for you to put up with all this and still feel hopelessly romantic about him? It can only be sex OP, I cannot for the life of me fathom what else you are getting other than progressively into debt. Drop him and watch your savings soar, your social life improve and be open to the opportunity of meeting potential new partners. Stop dragging a lying, manipulative deadbeat dad around at YOUR expense!

ChargingBuck · 08/02/2022 23:35

He said he wants to buy me flowers and a card for VD

Whoop de fucking whoop.

Come on OP.
He's had 2 years to appreciate you, & hasn't managed it yet.
A bit of cardboard & the Flowers Of Superficial Gesture won't change that.

Mossstitch · 09/02/2022 00:08

Sounds like my ex, a user and totally selfish, I was a mug and doormat for years, nothing not a single flower bought after my wedding day but after I filed for divorce 30 plus years later he suddenly wanted to send flowers to work............. Please don't fall for it🙏 I basically politely told mine where he could stick his flowers💐 my only regret is not doing it much sooner.

KosherDill · 09/02/2022 00:28

You can love and care for someone yet not be in a relationship with them.

Honestly he's manipulative and treating you like a doormat.

KosherDill · 09/02/2022 00:32

@movingon2022

Reading all this OP I am just confused thinking, why exactly do you love this man, what attracted you to him and how can you feel "safe" with him? He is broke, cheep, selfish, mean, boring, lazy, lying man child. He blames his ex for his financial hardships, he has no relationship with his kids, he takes your money, your love, your attention, let's you clean and upgrade his house, does not want to do anything fun with you, in fact does not care what you want at all and when you leave him he blackmails you threatening to go mad, or die or whatever. I do not see one single good trait on this man, so why are you with him?

From what you say you are a all around successful woman, professionally, as a mother, as a friend and a daughter. You are a grown women who has everything you need to be happy and content. Leave this man, and yes, get some counseling to help you accept and love yourself better. A woman does not need a man to make her whole. YOU ARE ENOUGH.

All of this. I just don't get it.

All this stress and unhappiness for a selfish mooch?

Stop feeling sorry. That's their stock in trade and how they coast through life. Move on and find a grown-up.