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Rethinking entire relationship - overreacting?

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PossiblyDreaming · 03/02/2022 12:26

I’ve been separated from my ex husband for several years and just before Christmas my divorce finally came through. I’ve been dating a man for nearly 2 years and am very much in love.

My completely potty but very lovely aunt very sadly has terminal cancer. She decided that rather than leave money to people in her will she was going to buy all her closest friends and family a gift that she thought they’d like. She bought my brother a new car, paid for an extension for my sister and has paid for an incredibly OTT holiday for myself and my boyfriend. We’re due to fly out over half term.

The holiday she booked is to a place that she knows I’d be interested in as I’m a keen birdwatcher. She’s also into birding and said this place was one of the most beautiful places she’d ever been to and you’re pretty much guaranteed to see some really interesting birds. It’s also a big tourist place in the Caribbean but loads of history, beautiful waterfalls and jungles too. She’s been getting so excited planning it all, it’s really taken her mind off the whole dying a slow painful death situation (her words, btw). She’s booked amazing excursions for pretty much everyday apart from the day we arrive and the day we leave.

One excursion she was considering booking is for a walk through the jungle and then tubing down the river back to where you start with a bit of birdwatching on the way. She asked me to ask my boyfriend if he wanted to go on that one as she knows he’s not interested in birdwatching and might just want a day by the beach/ pool. I asked boyfriend and said that it’s only looking at birds on the way. We won’t be dressed up as bushes and squatting be silently for hours waiting for a particular sight, it will just be a walk through the jungle with binoculars and a bird guide book and then tubing back. Boyfriend looked unimpressed and said that he didn’t really fancy it, that was fine, I was happy to do it by myself as there will be other people there so aunt just booked it for me.

He then called me back a couple of hours later asking if there were any other mad activities he should be aware of because he’s going on holiday to relax, not to go on some kind of Bataan Death March. I laughed and said that she’s only organised a few other things - an evening sunset sail with a beach picnic, a boat trip out to a shipwreck for snorkelling and a tour of a fort and a rum distillery. He loves sailing and history so it didn’t cross my mind that he wouldn’t want to do this. He said he really didn’t want to do any of it. He wanted to not have to worry about timings on holiday and had no intention of moving from the sun lounger other than for the occasional dip and trip to the bar. He said I should do those things on my own if I was determined to do them but he would be staying at the hotel. He said he’s not going through the hell of a 10 hour flight (first class! I haven’t told him that yet though, aunt wanted it to be a surprise) to then be dragged out of bed at first light for a coach trip to look at a series of small walls.

Fair enough, some people like to not do much on holiday. This will be my first child free holiday since my eldest was born in 2012. Boyfriend has his boys 50/50 but has had regular holidays on his own as he stays at his parents in Lanzarote a few times a year. When we are together we regularly go on long walks, he doesn’t mind sitting and having a cup of tea and reading the paper while I do a bit of birdwatching for a couple of hours. We visit NT places and he loves a good castle. Yet on holiday to a beautiful place all he wants to do is sit. The hotel is in a town with loads of restaurants and bars and he even said he didn’t really fancy leaving the hotel to explore that as we are staying all inclusive so what is the point.

I don’t want to do an evening sunset cruise and beach barbecue by myself. I’ll feel a right tit. It’s really made me see him in a whole new, boring light. Miserable did.

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billy1966 · 03/02/2022 19:11

@MargosKaftan

The swimming pool incident would have made me question if he was someone I could build a life with. Knowing you needed help of a 2nd adult, even though he'd had time to himself every other day of the holiday, and he couldn't just pitch in and help because his happiness was the only thing he cared about - not yours or the dcs - would have me drawing a line that he wsnt worth the effort.

If your friend can't come along at such short notice, could the holiday be rescheduled to 2023 and planned with a bird watcher friend?

I really agree with this.

A water park is such fun and a real treat for children.

That he couldn't do that for a child would not be something that I would want to move on from.

He's a very selfish person.

Thankfully you haven't any plans to move him in, which I would imagine would be a disaster for your children.

What exactly about him has you madly in love?

PossiblyDreaming · 03/02/2022 19:26

My sister or mum can’t come sadly as they’re going to be helping look after my dc while I’m away although they’d be perfect holiday companions. Also I don’t want to delay it as I want to be able to come back and tell my aunt all about it which isn’t likely to be possible for much longer.

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TheApexOfMyLife · 03/02/2022 19:27

Thé issue here is that he said yes and was enthusiastic, knowing it would be about bird watching, only to change his mind after.

I’d invite someone else so you can enjoy that week wo having to worry about not upsetting him/looking at him go all grumpy because he is left alone etc…

I really love what your aunt is doing. It’s such a nice way to give someone something she knows they will enjoy. And to do so whilst she is still alive to see it.

PossiblyDreaming · 03/02/2022 19:28

@Electriq I’d love to do that if it was just myself. There will be a couple of crew members though and myself so I’d feel a bit of a tit.

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PerseverancePays · 03/02/2022 20:10

If his idea of a holiday is sitting in a hotel, he might as well have a cheap Spanish one.
An expensive Caribbean one will be totally wasted on him.

Upsidedownpineapplecake · 03/02/2022 20:35

What this has highlighted is that he is not your partner or even a good friend to you.
He is just a boyfriend and he has selfish qualities.
Hope you really enjoy the holiday sounds amazing.

NoSquirrels · 03/02/2022 20:45

[quote PossiblyDreaming]@VioletOcean yeah, for me that’s really shit. If he didn’t want to go on a trekking holiday in the Himalayas I’d understand. Not wanting to leave an all inclusive hotel for a couple of hours at a time on 3 of the 6 days we’re there on a holiday that is being entirely funded by someone else, doing excursions that are not mentally or physically demanding and that would mean an awful lot to the woman you claim to be in love with? That’s not someone that I want to be with.[/quote]
Have you said this to him explicitly?

Because you otherwise sound on the same sort of page so I’m wondering A) if he’s just fucked up understanding the emotional significance of this trip and B) if you haven’t been clear enough about the emotional significance of this trip.

Or if he has a weird blind spot about foreign holidays.

PossiblyDreaming · 03/02/2022 21:09

@NoSquirrels I haven’t said any of this explicitly to him yet, no. I’m seeing him tomorrow so I’ll speak to him properly then as I’ve only spoken to him over the phone about it so far. He definitely knows how important it is to me though and was in the room and engaging in the conversation when aunt was suggesting things we could do on the holiday.

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edenweed · 03/02/2022 21:27

possiblyDreaming I didn't mean it that way.

What I meant was does he only do the things he wants to do but when you want to do something he's not bothered? I mean is he self centred?

SausageSoupSaturday · 03/02/2022 22:03

In that case, I'm not sure what his issue is. I get that some people like to sit by the pool on holiday, but surely going on a couple of excursions would be nice? If it's not all day every day. Hopefully a chat about the holiday will sort this out as maybe it just needs talking through...

PossiblyDreaming · 03/02/2022 22:14

Apologies @edenweed, I misunderstood. I’ve never really asked him to do anything that he hasn’t wanted to before so it’s not really come up. The only thing I ever asked him to do, despite knowing he wouldn’t enjoy it, was to come to the water park to help me out with the dc on holiday in Portugal. That was a flat out no which did irritate me a bit at the time but now looking back on it I think it was actually a pretty shitty thing to do.

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NoSquirrels · 03/02/2022 22:19

[quote PossiblyDreaming]@NoSquirrels I haven’t said any of this explicitly to him yet, no. I’m seeing him tomorrow so I’ll speak to him properly then as I’ve only spoken to him over the phone about it so far. He definitely knows how important it is to me though and was in the room and engaging in the conversation when aunt was suggesting things we could do on the holiday.[/quote]
It’s a shame you didn’t pursue it when it came up, I guess, that’s all. Because in the moment a “Bloody hell, seriously? Ungrateful arse!” is more direct and might get a reaction of “Oh shit, yeah, see what you mean I am being a wanker, of course it’s important to you”. Rather than the “Been stewing on this and I’m unhappy about our whole relationship and I’m taking my friend instead”.

From how you’ve described it he’s been inexcusably selfish.

But if he’s otherwise a good companion then eh, dunno.

Only you know!

I’m deeply sorry about your lovely aunt and I hope you drink it all in for her whoever you go with. Flowers

Whydoesthecatalwaysdothat · 03/02/2022 22:29

What?!

Take someone else - preferably me! I am available for weddings, bar mitzvahs and interesting holidays....

Please dump his sorry entitled arse. He really doesn't deserve you.

Isthisit22 · 03/02/2022 22:38

Unfortunately it sounds like he's starting to show his true colours. He is a Fairweather boyfriend who is lovely when things are going his way but won't budge an inch for anyone else- not even you.
You deserve better

billy1966 · 03/02/2022 23:01

A straight out No?

He is awful.

I would wonder at your standards that you wouldn't see this.

That mask of his has slipped further.
He's no prize.

Keep him away from your children.

They deserve better and so do you.
Flowers

Honeyroar · 03/02/2022 23:02

He sounds pretty selfish when push comes to shove. It’s all about him. He’s getting an amazing free holiday thanks to being with you and he can’t even do a few (lovely sounding) excursions to keep you company. Well his selfishness has come back to bite him on the bum - I hope you find someone else to take. And what a lovely aunt you have. Treasure your time with her.

Fatherliamdeliverance · 03/02/2022 23:02

Wow. I wondered whether the activities were too physically demanding for him but he didn't want to say so but it certainly doesn't sound that way. I would be rethinking the relationship, tbh. It's a free holiday and the activities have emotional significance, plus aren't the whole time. I'm a big believer in separate interests but it is churlish and dull of him not to accompany you on these occasions. You want someone with a bit of zest and 'go'.

NewtoHolland · 03/02/2022 23:10

He's being a total shit.
But he already has form. Going to Portugal with you on your first holiday (should have been honeymoon phase and wanting to show his best self). He didn't leave the hotel and made you do everything alone with your kids...then your son really missed out at the waterpark because of his selfishness.
When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.
Please take a friend so you can look back on the lovely memories from this holiday with lots of smiles. Not someone who has already pissed on it.

PossiblyDreaming · 04/02/2022 19:39

And.. it’s all off. He came round earlier and I said I wanted to chat about the holiday. I said that I felt really upset that he wouldn’t do any of the excursions with me, even though he knew how important doing it was to me. He said that as I’d made it clear from the beginning that I had no plan on ever compromising my comfort in terms of us living together in the future and I’d kept him at arms length from my friends and family as he’s just a boyfriend and not a partner then he didn’t see why he had to compromise his comfort by doing stuff that he didn’t want to do.

I don’t think I have kept him at arms length from my family and friends. We spent Christmas together with my family, he’s been on holiday with me and my kids and he’s been to 2 of my friends weddings in the time we’ve been together. I had no idea that he was so resentful of me never wanting to live with him though Confused. He’s never mentioned it before at all and I said even before we got together that I would never live or have my finances tied with someone again. Oh, well.

I shall feel sorry for myself tonight and hopefully feel a bit better tomorrow as I’m seeing some friends for a swim and lunch. Does anyone want to come to Grenada with me? Grin

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Interrobanger · 04/02/2022 19:42

Me! I do!

Interrobanger · 04/02/2022 19:44

Seriously though, sorry to hear that OP. How very passive aggressive of him. Did it not occur to him to just use his words?

I honestly think, from everything you’ve posted, that you’ve had a lucky escape. Now you can go and really enjoy your lovely holiday. And now you have space in your life to meet someone much better suited to you.

Kellyagain · 04/02/2022 19:49

He sounds pretty vile and tbh ungrateful
It would turn me off immediately

Kellyagain · 04/02/2022 19:50

Take your best mate instead

TolkiensFallow · 04/02/2022 19:57

I am sorry to hear this as all break ups are hard but it sounds right.

The holiday sounds amazing. I’ll come. I’ll even be really enthusiastic and interested in the birds. I won’t moan about the first class flights and I’ll even write your lovely aunt a thank you card.

Unlike the ungrateful twat that you are better off without.

Honeyroar · 04/02/2022 19:57

He’s an absolute fool! He’d give up you and a fabulous holiday rather than be nice/compromise!!