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Rethinking entire relationship - overreacting?

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PossiblyDreaming · 03/02/2022 12:26

I’ve been separated from my ex husband for several years and just before Christmas my divorce finally came through. I’ve been dating a man for nearly 2 years and am very much in love.

My completely potty but very lovely aunt very sadly has terminal cancer. She decided that rather than leave money to people in her will she was going to buy all her closest friends and family a gift that she thought they’d like. She bought my brother a new car, paid for an extension for my sister and has paid for an incredibly OTT holiday for myself and my boyfriend. We’re due to fly out over half term.

The holiday she booked is to a place that she knows I’d be interested in as I’m a keen birdwatcher. She’s also into birding and said this place was one of the most beautiful places she’d ever been to and you’re pretty much guaranteed to see some really interesting birds. It’s also a big tourist place in the Caribbean but loads of history, beautiful waterfalls and jungles too. She’s been getting so excited planning it all, it’s really taken her mind off the whole dying a slow painful death situation (her words, btw). She’s booked amazing excursions for pretty much everyday apart from the day we arrive and the day we leave.

One excursion she was considering booking is for a walk through the jungle and then tubing down the river back to where you start with a bit of birdwatching on the way. She asked me to ask my boyfriend if he wanted to go on that one as she knows he’s not interested in birdwatching and might just want a day by the beach/ pool. I asked boyfriend and said that it’s only looking at birds on the way. We won’t be dressed up as bushes and squatting be silently for hours waiting for a particular sight, it will just be a walk through the jungle with binoculars and a bird guide book and then tubing back. Boyfriend looked unimpressed and said that he didn’t really fancy it, that was fine, I was happy to do it by myself as there will be other people there so aunt just booked it for me.

He then called me back a couple of hours later asking if there were any other mad activities he should be aware of because he’s going on holiday to relax, not to go on some kind of Bataan Death March. I laughed and said that she’s only organised a few other things - an evening sunset sail with a beach picnic, a boat trip out to a shipwreck for snorkelling and a tour of a fort and a rum distillery. He loves sailing and history so it didn’t cross my mind that he wouldn’t want to do this. He said he really didn’t want to do any of it. He wanted to not have to worry about timings on holiday and had no intention of moving from the sun lounger other than for the occasional dip and trip to the bar. He said I should do those things on my own if I was determined to do them but he would be staying at the hotel. He said he’s not going through the hell of a 10 hour flight (first class! I haven’t told him that yet though, aunt wanted it to be a surprise) to then be dragged out of bed at first light for a coach trip to look at a series of small walls.

Fair enough, some people like to not do much on holiday. This will be my first child free holiday since my eldest was born in 2012. Boyfriend has his boys 50/50 but has had regular holidays on his own as he stays at his parents in Lanzarote a few times a year. When we are together we regularly go on long walks, he doesn’t mind sitting and having a cup of tea and reading the paper while I do a bit of birdwatching for a couple of hours. We visit NT places and he loves a good castle. Yet on holiday to a beautiful place all he wants to do is sit. The hotel is in a town with loads of restaurants and bars and he even said he didn’t really fancy leaving the hotel to explore that as we are staying all inclusive so what is the point.

I don’t want to do an evening sunset cruise and beach barbecue by myself. I’ll feel a right tit. It’s really made me see him in a whole new, boring light. Miserable did.

OP posts:
Interrobanger · 03/02/2022 16:18

[quote PossiblyDreaming]@Interrobanger he is a nice guy, a really good laugh and we had loads of similar interests. I’m fresh out of a long marriage though and have made it clear from the beginning that I never want to live with anyone else, get married, do blended families or anything like that. We spend EOW together and normally one evening a week too and that’s all I want. That’s why I wasn’t too fussed about him not joking dc and I on activities on holiday. I don’t want a family set up like that, he’s very much my boyfriend rather than their stepfather or anything like that.

The daft thing is that he’s normally really outgoing. He goes sailing most weekends, we are (slowly) walking the SW coast path together, we swim in the sea together all year round. Which is why it’s so weird that he won’t consider doing even vaguely similar things on holiday. He didn’t seem interested in the details of the holiday so my aunt and I booked things that we know he likes. But he can’t be arsed to move from a sunbed to sit on a yacht for a couple of hours because to him that’s a holiday that’s organised within an inch of its life and he couldn’t possibly relax Confused[/quote]
Why did you invite him to Portugal at all if you don’t want a family set up? Are your kids going on this trip too?

NoSquirrels · 03/02/2022 16:30

He’s surely just being a tit and would actually come to a sunset picnic or snorkelling? I mean when actually there, and faced with waving you off alone?

I just couldn’t take this seriously.

Drinkingallthewine · 03/02/2022 16:35

While I think he was pretty ungrateful, I went on a holiday dictated by another person once and I will never, ever do it again. Even if it's totally free, first class, all expenses paid, and in complete luxury I will not accept it. I just won't go on the plane.

Everything we did was dictated by the other person's wants, hobbies, food preferences, everything! I didn't get to even choose a coffee shop. Even while out wandering the shops, I didn't get to even poke my head into the ones I might like the look of, we could only go to the ones that the person who paid liked. I was utterly miserable the whole time.

So while I think your Aunt is so very well meaning, she's planning a trip for you and based around what her and your idea of a wonderful trip is - and that's fine, but perhaps some thought should have been given to what the other person actually going on the holiday might like.

T00Ts · 03/02/2022 16:43

Please take a fun close friend, not your dick of a boyfriend. Who wants to travel across the world and then not leave a resort?! He’s also an ungrateful, unadventurous shit. I’m sorry about your aunt, she sounds brilliant.

MarshmallowSwede · 03/02/2022 16:49

He’s ungrateful.. take a sibling or a close friend instead. You might even have more fun

GrumpyTerrier · 03/02/2022 17:01

"He's going on holiday to relax..."

No he isnt! He is being given the opportunity to support you on this special and emotional holiday. He's making it about him when it so, so isn't. If he can't see that, then it is a bit worrying.

For those saying it is 'presumptuous and over-controlling', where is your heart? It's a beautiful gesture of a dying woman, creating something lovely for a person she loves, and also getting some much deserved pleasure out of doing so. The OP agreed the holiday and wants to do all the activities. It isnt controlling of anyone.

Aquamarine1029 · 03/02/2022 17:07

What a horrible, ungrateful, selfish prick.

PossiblyDreaming · 03/02/2022 17:21

@Interrobanger because we wanted to go on holiday together and there hasn’t been the option to go without kids until now. I don’t want a family set up but my dc’s have met him as I have my kids with me almost all the time. They know he’s my boyfriend, although he had a separate room on holiday, but it’s never going to be anything more than that. He’ll never live with us, we won’t get married and I would never expect or want him to do anything with my kids that a vague acquaintance wouldn’t do unless it was an absolute emergency.

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edenweed · 03/02/2022 17:44

I'm wondering about the sailing and sea swimming he does at home. Is it because he chooses to do those things?

I mean, is it all one way/his way?

Susu49 · 03/02/2022 17:51

It sounds to me as if he didn't take that much interest in the detailed planning of the holiday beforehand, so more fool him.

Regardless, he's getting an incredibly expensive holiday for free from a lovely close relative of yours who is dying. The only acceptable response from him is gratitude.

Hen2018 · 03/02/2022 17:58

Off topic but...

If you aunt dies within 7 years of giving out gifts, you have to pay death duties on the amount given.

HollowTalk · 03/02/2022 17:58

This is a really sensitive issue - your aunt is doing something lovely for you and he just wants to sit and do nothing drink. I'd definitely not take him with me - tell him you're not suited and you'd rather go alone. He'll probably insist he does want to go, but you've seen what he's really like now.

HumourReplacementTherapy · 03/02/2022 18:00

I think this says a lot more about him than just the fact he's not into bird watching.
I'm not but I'd be 100% on board with it for a friend/family member or partner. It actually sounds amazing!
How kind and generous of your aunt. Don't let him sully the holiday. Take someone who'd snatch your hands off for the opportunity me
Grin

VioletOcean · 03/02/2022 18:06

Some people do activities on holiday and some don’t. You do. He doesn’t. Leave him on his lounger and go and enjoy. Only don’t show him 24,437 pics cos it’ll be boring for him

PossiblyDreaming · 03/02/2022 18:16

@edenweed those are hobbies that we both have had for years before meeting. It’s definitely not something I make him do.

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PossiblyDreaming · 03/02/2022 18:20

@VioletOcean yeah, for me that’s really shit. If he didn’t want to go on a trekking holiday in the Himalayas I’d understand. Not wanting to leave an all inclusive hotel for a couple of hours at a time on 3 of the 6 days we’re there on a holiday that is being entirely funded by someone else, doing excursions that are not mentally or physically demanding and that would mean an awful lot to the woman you claim to be in love with? That’s not someone that I want to be with.

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AnneKipankitoo · 03/02/2022 18:24

You have written about him recently.

This is not one that is going to last, is it?

NeverChange · 03/02/2022 18:27

Your perfect holiday wouldn't be my ideal holiday but if I was your partner I would be there 100%.

It's important to you and especially personal given the circumstances. He shouldn't like an asshole, no compassionate whatsoever, devoid of empathy or emotion.

SausageSoupSaturday · 03/02/2022 18:29

Hmm I don't think you're wrong to question things a bit, the whole 'reads a paper while I birdwatch'/'loves a good castle' bit made me wonder if he is basically going along with those activities in order to keep you happy, but not really his interests? In which case it might be a bit extreme to basically 'read the paper' for a whole holiday...

It is a weird one as obviously your aunt has booked this as a treat for you, with things you like, rather than it being something you and boyfriend planned together. Yes he is lucky to be treated to a holiday in the Caribbean, but a whole week of activities he won't enjoy would be a bit much! And the potential emotional pressure of it, too.

I agree with pp that it may be worth considering either taking a friend instead, or agreeing with boyfriend some of the activities you can do together, and some separately.

More generally though, it would probably be worth thinking about whether you actually do both enjoy the same things. It is fine to be different and do different things, or accompany each other sometimes for some things, but one of you going along with the other's interests but not really enjoying it could lead to some resentment.

I am sorry about your aunt, she sounds lovely.

dramalessllama · 03/02/2022 18:53

The most important thing here is your enjoyment on the trip, because that is the whole reason why Auntie wants you to have it! Therefore, your responsibility is to honor her wishes by enjoying it to the fullest and take amazing pictures of ALL the activities she booked for you so you can show her how her money and effort was well spent and properly appreciated. Either go by yourself or with someone who will honor your Auntie's wishes in the same way - with immense appreciation and gratitude. If you tell her you didn't do x,y,z, or that your bf didn't want to joyfully accompany you while doing x,y,z, he absolutely should stay home! This isn't about you, or even you and him as a couple. This is about fulfilling your Aunt's wishes!

MargosKaftan · 03/02/2022 18:58
  1. Get some advice about the inheritance tax issues with your aunt giving expensive gifts this close to thr end of her life.
  1. Invite your friend.
  1. Accept your DP is lazy and selfish when it comes to holidays, he will never do what you want with you or help you out with the dcs. Dont go on holiday with him again. Remember selfish people are rarely only selfish in one area of their lives. If he won't slightly put himself out so you will be happy on holiday and feels everything has to be centered on his happiness, he's not someone you want at your side when something goes to shit.
PossiblyDreaming · 03/02/2022 19:03

@SausageSoupSaturday they’re definitely things he enjoys. His career is researching various building techniques used in historical buildings and, as much as I like castles, I go along with him while he’s there measuring wall thickness and angles of moats etc. and just play on Twitter or whatever when he’s doing the boring stuff (this is in his free time btw, he loves his job) and he seems happy just sitting around if we go on a long walk for an hour or so while I do a bit of bird watching.

It’s also really not a full week of activities. We’re there for 6 days, aunt has booked excursions for 4 of the days and only 1 of those is a full day thing - the bird watching which I already told him I was happy to do on my own. The others are 2/3 hours so it’s hardly a full day rushing around.

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Electriq · 03/02/2022 19:07

A sunset cruise and picnic on a beach alone sounds bliss to me!

I hope your friend can go with you, this is such a lovely thing your aunt is doing, evety moment should be enjoyable, even now.

MargosKaftan · 03/02/2022 19:07

The swimming pool incident would have made me question if he was someone I could build a life with. Knowing you needed help of a 2nd adult, even though he'd had time to himself every other day of the holiday, and he couldn't just pitch in and help because his happiness was the only thing he cared about - not yours or the dcs - would have me drawing a line that he wsnt worth the effort.

If your friend can't come along at such short notice, could the holiday be rescheduled to 2023 and planned with a bird watcher friend?

MargosKaftan · 03/02/2022 19:10

Actually could your sister go with you? Call her and say that you aren't 100% certain your relationship is going to last much longer, and you don't want aunt's gift holiday memories to be tainted. Warn her aunt has already made plans. It might be even more special to share this with someone who loves your aunt as much as you.

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