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Dating Thread 224: Keeping it casual or searching for The One

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WeWantTheFinestWines · 24/01/2022 17:37

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Gettingonwithit12 · 31/01/2022 12:39

Oh that sounds exciting about your date last night! Fingers crossed it all works out, but I can totally sympathise if you are anxious today.

I’m actually the opposite and worry about rushing into the physical side too quickly- I was starved of affection for so long that it is one of the things I am craving Sad but I rushed something last year and got burnt so am very wary now

Thisisworsethananticpated · 31/01/2022 12:42

gelatodipistacchio

Tell all ! Was this the Italian ?

gelatodipistacchio · 31/01/2022 12:50

Yes, it was the Italian.

He's very easy to get along with. I'm a bit worried about his being quite keen on me and potentially love bomb-y. But he was very gentlemanly and respectful and seemingly concerned about my boundaries. He offered up that he doesn't have typical southern Italian machismo (something that I certainly would worry about). A few times he said complimentary things that he prefaced with "I will be very Italian and say this"

We ended up having the lunch in a nice venue followed by a walk and a few drinks. He dropped me at the Tube station before continuing to a different station for his train.

gelatodipistacchio · 31/01/2022 12:52

Oh, and he wrote afterwards "wow...just wow", which I find very embarrassing.

I also told him that I am not really free until two weeks from now and he wrote to me that two weeks will fly by

Stepcount · 31/01/2022 13:25

@Bangheadhere40, did I miss an update about your weekend date with Mr Farmer ? hope you had a lovely time and it's feeling even more like it's got true potential

BelladiMamma · 31/01/2022 13:34

Feeling somewhat out of the loop with everyone and everything however I'm reading with interest your updates @gelatodipistacchio and welcome @Gettingonwithit12

Dating is strange and scary and I've experienced both situations and the feelings that you are describing.

I’m very pleased that I was out with MrD and friends last night so that I didn’t have to watch the onslaught on VGD unfold in real time and the thread get derailed from our really vital chats to share wisdom about OLD and relationships in general!

I was wondering if anyone had anything against all of us acting as moderators and using a ‘timeout phrase just to take the heat out of things’?

Could be something simple like ‘fairy dust’ or ‘bananas’. We all have a lot on our plate, we are all dealing with our own issues but I don’t think I can participate anymore on the thread if this happens again. It’s too draining.

@onwards FWIW I feel that you have got your self stuck in a very negative and unhelpful way of thinking about your life. Lots of us struggle with things, we are here to support, advice, cajole and share.
If you don’t want to hear that from VGD, or anyone else on this thread, I think it is time you considered finding a group that’s more suited to your needs, and leaving this thread. I genuinely think we may have reached the end of how we can help you.

This is pretty harsh for me to say and to even see myself writing it, but honestly it’s draining. We are here to talk about OLD and other issues that impact on our dating life. I recognise that for you, your health situation and career path, impact on that. It does for all of us. And no, it’s not a competition.

However I had really wanted to come to the thread with something and seeing your repetitive and often aggressive posts killed that stone dead.

There is a thread out there for you, it’s just this may not be the one.

My little parable / post was about baggage. In the most literal sense.

On Friday MrD and I had a date. I’d had truly a difficult week. Sunday I’d been triggered by a sex misfire, when I got inadvertently hurt by MrD (think ‘awkward entry combined with not being fully undressed leads to 🤕 ouch’). As a rape survivor I was BADLY triggered and went into total PTSD territory, flashbacks, dizzy, disconnected, angry and fearful. It was truly awful. This then of course meant that I had to tell MrD about the assault; but I couldn’t do that for 48 hours as I had to gather myself.

The shock triggered my post concussion symptoms and I was in a lot of pain. The dog then became dangerously ill and spent 24 hours in doggy hospital. Stuff was also going on with my DD that had been very difficult to navigate through.

Frankly I felt like my world was collapsing. I didn’t know if I’d go to meet MrD or if I’d even see him again.

What’s the point? I thought. I’m worthless, damaged, difficult, my life is falling apart and I can’t even help the two people who are the most reliant on me: my beautiful life saver of a dog and my lovely, talented and fragile daughter. Who am I raising up here, who am I empowering? No one I thought.

I went to see MrD in a state of functional catatonia, hoping that I’d somehow break through and back into my life. (For those who suffer from ptsd I was in a mild dissociative state most of last week, like living my life behind a wall of cling film, transparent but claustrophobic and suffocating.)

However, I knew that nothing bad was going to happen to me if I saw MrD, but there was a good chance of something good happening.

He turned up late and I started to feel even more withdrawn. He’d been over optimistic on the timing and we’d both majorly failed as we hadn’t checked opening hours of places to go to or queue times for the gallery. It was all beginning to feel like hard work. Plus, I had a weekend bag with me which usually feels fine to carry but that night felt like it had rocks in it. Whilst he was late I went from place to place with my bag, which was feeling heavier, and my very low functioning coping skills. Luckily I know London really well so kept walking and eventually found somewhere. The food was pretty average and so was the atmosphere but MrD eventually arrived. He was in a bouncy mood but as we got up to leave I noticed he didn’t offer to take my bag. I then got stuck in security for the gallery because they wanted to look inside it. I then pointedly said I was going to check it into the cloakroom because it was so heavy.

Did he offer to carry it at any point in the evening? Nada. Zero. Zilch.

However, maybe for those of you who’ve read this far you might have guessed this already. All week long he’d been carrying the guilt of triggering me. The worry about my dog and DD. Held my hand emotionally and mentally and just helped me think things through.

The bag wasn’t mentioned. It’s a very chic leather bag. Maybe he thought it was my handbag. Maybe he didn’t. Maybe he just assumed that I could carry my own stuff. Maybe, like my paranoid brain was suggesting to me, he had no manners and wasn’t the right man for me.

Maybe, dear reader, I just needed to reconnect with myself and allow him back in and fgs if I wanted the effing bag carried like some entitled royal, I should have just asked him.

Is this relevant to our thread? I’m not sure. But for me it’s a minor breakthrough. I’m with an equal, who’s not scared of helping me think through big stuff but who doesn’t attempt to rescue me or suggest that he’s the solution. We are two adults in a messy and complex life who are just trying our best to figure things out.

Like a parking thread, I’m happy to post a diagram or photo of the designer baggage in question.

PurpleStripyScarf · 31/01/2022 13:56

@BelladiMamma

Feeling somewhat out of the loop with everyone and everything however I'm reading with interest your updates *@gelatodipistacchio and welcome @Gettingonwithit12*

Dating is strange and scary and I've experienced both situations and the feelings that you are describing.

I’m very pleased that I was out with MrD and friends last night so that I didn’t have to watch the onslaught on VGD unfold in real time and the thread get derailed from our really vital chats to share wisdom about OLD and relationships in general!

I was wondering if anyone had anything against all of us acting as moderators and using a ‘timeout phrase just to take the heat out of things’?

Could be something simple like ‘fairy dust’ or ‘bananas’. We all have a lot on our plate, we are all dealing with our own issues but I don’t think I can participate anymore on the thread if this happens again. It’s too draining.

@onwards FWIW I feel that you have got your self stuck in a very negative and unhelpful way of thinking about your life. Lots of us struggle with things, we are here to support, advice, cajole and share.
If you don’t want to hear that from VGD, or anyone else on this thread, I think it is time you considered finding a group that’s more suited to your needs, and leaving this thread. I genuinely think we may have reached the end of how we can help you.

This is pretty harsh for me to say and to even see myself writing it, but honestly it’s draining. We are here to talk about OLD and other issues that impact on our dating life. I recognise that for you, your health situation and career path, impact on that. It does for all of us. And no, it’s not a competition.

However I had really wanted to come to the thread with something and seeing your repetitive and often aggressive posts killed that stone dead.

There is a thread out there for you, it’s just this may not be the one.

My little parable / post was about baggage. In the most literal sense.

On Friday MrD and I had a date. I’d had truly a difficult week. Sunday I’d been triggered by a sex misfire, when I got inadvertently hurt by MrD (think ‘awkward entry combined with not being fully undressed leads to 🤕 ouch’). As a rape survivor I was BADLY triggered and went into total PTSD territory, flashbacks, dizzy, disconnected, angry and fearful. It was truly awful. This then of course meant that I had to tell MrD about the assault; but I couldn’t do that for 48 hours as I had to gather myself.

The shock triggered my post concussion symptoms and I was in a lot of pain. The dog then became dangerously ill and spent 24 hours in doggy hospital. Stuff was also going on with my DD that had been very difficult to navigate through.

Frankly I felt like my world was collapsing. I didn’t know if I’d go to meet MrD or if I’d even see him again.

What’s the point? I thought. I’m worthless, damaged, difficult, my life is falling apart and I can’t even help the two people who are the most reliant on me: my beautiful life saver of a dog and my lovely, talented and fragile daughter. Who am I raising up here, who am I empowering? No one I thought.

I went to see MrD in a state of functional catatonia, hoping that I’d somehow break through and back into my life. (For those who suffer from ptsd I was in a mild dissociative state most of last week, like living my life behind a wall of cling film, transparent but claustrophobic and suffocating.)

However, I knew that nothing bad was going to happen to me if I saw MrD, but there was a good chance of something good happening.

He turned up late and I started to feel even more withdrawn. He’d been over optimistic on the timing and we’d both majorly failed as we hadn’t checked opening hours of places to go to or queue times for the gallery. It was all beginning to feel like hard work. Plus, I had a weekend bag with me which usually feels fine to carry but that night felt like it had rocks in it. Whilst he was late I went from place to place with my bag, which was feeling heavier, and my very low functioning coping skills. Luckily I know London really well so kept walking and eventually found somewhere. The food was pretty average and so was the atmosphere but MrD eventually arrived. He was in a bouncy mood but as we got up to leave I noticed he didn’t offer to take my bag. I then got stuck in security for the gallery because they wanted to look inside it. I then pointedly said I was going to check it into the cloakroom because it was so heavy.

Did he offer to carry it at any point in the evening? Nada. Zero. Zilch.

However, maybe for those of you who’ve read this far you might have guessed this already. All week long he’d been carrying the guilt of triggering me. The worry about my dog and DD. Held my hand emotionally and mentally and just helped me think things through.

The bag wasn’t mentioned. It’s a very chic leather bag. Maybe he thought it was my handbag. Maybe he didn’t. Maybe he just assumed that I could carry my own stuff. Maybe, like my paranoid brain was suggesting to me, he had no manners and wasn’t the right man for me.

Maybe, dear reader, I just needed to reconnect with myself and allow him back in and fgs if I wanted the effing bag carried like some entitled royal, I should have just asked him.

Is this relevant to our thread? I’m not sure. But for me it’s a minor breakthrough. I’m with an equal, who’s not scared of helping me think through big stuff but who doesn’t attempt to rescue me or suggest that he’s the solution. We are two adults in a messy and complex life who are just trying our best to figure things out.

Like a parking thread, I’m happy to post a diagram or photo of the designer baggage in question.

Yep this definitely warrants a diagram/photo! Gosh you've been having a tough time. Hope things are improving across the various aspects. Glad you had a breakthrough!
Badbaddog · 31/01/2022 14:01

Wow @BelladiMamma I’m so sorry you had such a very, very tough week! You sound like you’re in need of some very gentle and tender self-care, you and your darling dog together. I hope you feel better soon. 💐

ibelieveinmirrorballs · 31/01/2022 14:08

@BelladiMamma it’s exactly the kind of update suitable for the thread. We’re all of us adults with messy lives stumbling through trying our best. Your post made me weirdly emotional.

Hope you’re feeling better now and sorry to read of your trigger and of your other worries/stresses last week.

InABetterPlaceNow · 31/01/2022 14:33

Oh Bella. I'm sorry you've had such a tough week. I can relate to so much of what you've said just wrapped up in different shapes. I'm both sad that it's something you have to bear, while also warmed that you have MrD at your side to work through it with.

I'm learning so, so much about stating my needs and it feels both scary and freeing. Especially so as MrT is the kind of guy who will absolutely meet them if he can (and in record timing) but not if it crosses a boundary for him. Which is so freaking healthy for me.

I hope this week is a better week!! ❤️

OnwardsEverStridingOnwards · 31/01/2022 14:46

I think why my posts get repetitive is that I'm trying to get people on this thread to see that I can't have options with work, and what it's like. Unfortunately, some people can't see that and I know that they can't see into my life. In my life at the moment all I do is sleep and ache. That's the honest truth.

Unfortunately, other posters try and put words into my mouth or say things I haven't said. For example, yesterday VGD told me 'don't try and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.' Or words to that effect. I didn't say at all she didn't know what she was taking about, why would I?

I'm being told I'm not the only person with a disability, of course I know that. I've spent a lot of time with disabled people, and spent time in special education all my life, so I'm very familiar with them.

I've agreed that I moan a lot. I know I do. I have depression and anxiety, (which I'm on medication for)!and being practically shouted at by other posters at times doesn't help that at all. It makes me feel like a bad person. And then though all this, I'm told to 'be positive.'

OnwardsEverStridingOnwards · 31/01/2022 14:50

But I have had some great support on this thread from Heartbeats and DOTM,
Heartbeats has been particularly fantastic in taking to about my fibro symptoms. Which I've really appreciated. ❤️

OnwardsEverStridingOnwards · 31/01/2022 14:51

Oh and IABW has been fantastic as well ❤️

Good luck, all!! I hope everyone finds what they're looking for and I may come back when I eventually date 👋

BelladiMamma · 31/01/2022 15:05

Here is the burgundy leather designer weekend bag. Obviously it's a side show in the whole 'baggage' issue that so many of us have. But I've enjoyed the strange synchronicity of what I've learned through its existence

Dating Thread 224: Keeping it casual or searching for The One
Badbaddog · 31/01/2022 15:07

I would think that was a handbag. A very nice one 😊

outdooryone · 31/01/2022 15:18

I've popped back in after asking advice before Christmas on here - still wrestling with both avoiding too many contacts / 'rona, and a few dates that just were not as expected. But I guess that is the point of dating.

I have ended up sleeping with someone after a few dates, but we discussed it as fun / both keen for some action. However it seemed to mean more to her than me, a few weeks of dating and while flirty and exciting, she just isn't the one for me. I feel rotten letting her down, and apparently she wouldn't have slept with me if she had known, but again, this feels like what dating is for(?). Or maybe I am just judging it wrong. Hey ho.

@BelladiMamma - mrD sounds generally good, next time just hand him the bag! (For the record, I get accused of being too polite and that women can open doors, carry bags and more....!)

Stepcount · 31/01/2022 15:27

@BelladiMamma, so sorry to read that you have had such a tough time. I think the situation with the bag was probably more a case of it being a representation of you needing some care and support- and when Mr D didn't relieve you of it, it was a manifestation of where you were at emotionally. On another day when you were feeling perky and energised you would probably have batted away any attempt he made to take it.

Bangheadhere40 · 31/01/2022 15:28

I never updated step but it was lovely thank you. We agreed to come off the apps and just see eachother. I feel really happy about it.

Badbaddog · 31/01/2022 15:34

@Bangheadhere40

I never updated step but it was lovely thank you. We agreed to come off the apps and just see eachother. I feel really happy about it.
Fab update - I’m very happy for you!
Stepcount · 31/01/2022 15:35

Aww, bang so happy to read that update. I'm totally rooting for you, I'm sure we all are. Always good to hear when people find someone that it feels so positive with.

Bangheadhere40 · 31/01/2022 15:36

Aw thanks, it's been long enough waiting for a good one! I genuinely think this one is for the long haul, we both have the same outlook on everything. Hopefully I don't jinx it.

Heartbeats0708 · 31/01/2022 15:42

Also thrilled for you @Bangheadhere40, ever since the bag of chips date I've been hopeful you'd meet someone lovely.
Sending hugs to Bella it sounds like a really emotionally draining time, and totally agree with @Stepcount that it sounds as though the (gorgeous!) bag and carrying of it was more of a metaphor for what was going on and the need to be cared for?

IdontPracticeSanteria · 31/01/2022 15:42

Hello.

Just checking back in. I made my first post in this thread last week.

Still haven't heard much from the guy I went on two dates with and actually really liked. Sad
I am doing very well with sitting on my hands though and not chasing him.

Have arranged a first meet with a second guy for tomorrow evening! There's a couple of things I'm not sure about with him but thought I may as well give it a whirl and try and get over the first guy!

Stayingstrongish · 31/01/2022 16:59

@BelladiMamma sorry to hear you’ve had such a rough week.

I do think your bag looks like a handbag and most guys probably wouldn’t think to offer to carry it. Mr Beard has asked me a few times if I’d like him to carry my bag, but this is usually if I’m carrying multiple bags on the way to stay over at his. I often say yes since he’s twice the size of me!

Think next time you should say to Mr D something like ‘I’m struggling a bit physically today, would you do me a favour and carry my bag a min?’ (You are so eloquent I’m sure you can find better words than that!)

BelladiMamma · 31/01/2022 17:46

@Stayingstrongish @Badbaddog @outdooryone @Stepcount @Heartbeats0708
Agreed that it has a handbag vibe and I just got mildly obsessed with it on Friday. Whereas now it's all much more settled and I feel more relaxed.
@outdooryone that's a classic dating conundrum. Can you talk it through, see if she wants to take a break if feels aren't matched both sides & see if it might go in another direction eg friends?