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Why he doesn't want to marry me?

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Spinstermum · 20/01/2022 21:27

I'm trying to find a proper reasons why it's important for me to get married. He doesn't care about me reaching age of 40 feeling old . He still thinks it doesn't matter for him how old I'm as I'm still gonna look pretty in white dress. We started being friends when I was 27 years old. We have 2 kids together. We bought a house. Then our goal was to get married which never happened. At some point I wanted to go to register office and do it. He didn't want it. He wants to have a proper wedding with a music dance ect. So why it's taking him so long? He wants to propose. I really don't care any more as I've waited for such a long time I only want to be his wife and to feel complete. When I was pregnant I asked him why dont we make plans now. He said it's covid out there. It's gonna be very difficult to organise the wedding. Now he told me he wants to propose but needs to find the right moment. Ok so all those family trip, birthdays, Christmas,new year are not enough to find a perfect moment? I got feeling he is stringing me along . My thoughts are that he doesn't want to get married and all of that its just a lie. If I would know that sooner I'd never start relationship with somebody who doesn't want to get married in the end. I don't even have the same surname as my kids which is awful feeling but he doesn't care in his opinion this is not strong argument to get married. What else I can do/ say?

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Dreamsofholidays78 · 23/01/2022 09:07

I’m not sure you should pursue marriage with this guy. He seems awful. The way he states if you go back to work full time you will have to pay for nursery ... the way he walks out when you bring this stuff up. He sounds controlling/financially abusive
I would ask for the financial documents and take copies and go to a solicitor. The issue is he can still change these at a later date e.g a will
I wouldn’t rely on him or his money. I’ve worked full time to ensure I’m not dependent on anyone. Even though that means full time nursery takes a lot of my wage. I hope dh and I are together forever but I’m also a realist and have made sure I’ve protected my career and am self sufficient.
Can you go back to work full time? Can your other dc attend the free nursery?

AlDanvers · 23/01/2022 09:23

@Spinstermum

I don't like how some people assume things about me based on their 'imagination'. No, I never wanted to meet a man to marry so I can sit home not work and let him to do everything to take care of me. I have always worked full time my entire life! Never been on any benefits in my life. I was independent women doing everything myself! No man ever has been supporting me financially ever. It was always 50/50 partnership. I know as much as I need to know about the legality of buying a house. At this moment I'm torn between
  1. Stay in this house. Kids will have a nice place to live nice neighbourhood, good school, good friends to hang about, his family close by to help ect . In terms of protecting myself and kids I will sign all the documents needed to be sign. In terms of my feelings I'm gonna be living ad we were housemates single with no relationship knowing I will be single till the rest of my life not be able to create s new relationship with anyone .
  2. Sell the house. It will take ages. Split the money. The hole process will take bloody forever. It will cost money and time.
Start full time job. Send both kids to nursery. Including my little one who doesn't even walk yet and who always need his mummy but cries with any other perdon5 holding him. Get the nursery costs split between us me and him. Apply for a government place. It will take an ages. Then depends of the state of the flat or house get it refurbish. It will take ages . And money. Then move in to my own place with kids. I will only move to the nice area with good school. No other option. But as far as I see there's no good schools with nice kids who are not bullies if u take a flat or house from the government unfortunately my friends have that! That's a fact in my town . Unless I will move out to another place far far away. I'm not being offensive or against single parents. Maybe in your areas are nice places to live. But not mine sorry!
I don't think anyone said you aren't providing.

You but haven't planned for your own long term financial stability. You bet it all on his promise of marriage and needing him to have a good financial future. Don't recall anyone saying you don't want to work either.

But you have taken no responsibility into securing yourself. You have assumed and expected him to do that.

They aren't your options and I can't even be arsed with the 'schools with bullies' and connection to single parents.

Dd went to one of the best schools in the county. Bullying happened. It happens in all schools.

You have written off single parents, low income families etc with no actual experience of it at all.

As I said before, those single parent families that look down on you......alot have more security than you do. Especially if in council houses. Plenty are in much better positions than you. You aren't any better or better off than they are. Just remember that when you judge them.

In the meantime he could leave you and you would still be in the same position.

How on earth do you work part rime if your child can't be separated from you or held by anyone else? That's surely an exaggeration?

If you worked full time in your job you wouldn't need to wait and refurbish a 'government place'.

Its clear, you want your life to remain the same. But married. That's not wrong.

But by doing that you are (again) deciding that marriage isn't a deal breaker. So don't pretend it is.

You believe he has lied to you and strung you along. Yet you will trust him even more and continue to bet your financial future on him. That's fine too. But it is a choice you are making. However it works out, it's been your choice.

It makes no sense to moan about it and then keep making the same choices.

Spinstermum · 23/01/2022 09:37

If I make a choice to stay or to leave it's gonna be hard either ways. Regardless. I know they are bullies everywhere even in nice areas. But what is better ? If you see a school with 70%of kids who are not behaving or school where maybe a 10%Kids are bad what is better to do then? For example I went to the play park near one of the bad schools and area. Some kids didn't let my boy play or didn't let my boy to pass through the bridge on this play park. I went to speak to them. They called me names. Their parents were sitting watching. So I left fuming. Another example. I went to play park near the area where my boy is going to be going to school. Yea there were some kids pushing while playing. But their parents were reacting straight away and saying sorry!. That's what I'm talking about. See the difference? This IS my experience.

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felulageller · 23/01/2022 09:56

He's financially abusing you.

Why not speak to women's aid for some advice?

Go on entitled to and see what your income would be if you split. Work it out for what you earn now AND do the calculation for you working ft and paying ft childcare. When I was a so working ft tax credits paid all my childcare but UC is different.

Also check out how much your house is worth/ what equity is in it. Look at what else you could get, rent, buy on your salary etc.

Do the maths of a life without him and compare.

Even if you did force a marriage out of him now would you really want to be married to someone who's done this to you?

There's no incentive for him to marry you as he has all the benefits with none of the responsibilities. Why would he now? He has all the power in your relationship and is relishing it.

RandomMess · 23/01/2022 10:06

The children can go to school based on where their Dad lives as he has parental responsibility and you will have shared care!!!

youvegottenminuteslynn · 23/01/2022 10:16

But as far as I see there's no good schools with nice kids who are not bullies if u take a flat or house from the government unfortunately my friends have that! That's a fact in my town

So all your friends in 'government housing' are not nice people and all their kids are bullies? Or your friends aren't in government housing but have told you that are as prejudiced against single mums as you are?

youvegottenminuteslynn · 23/01/2022 10:17

It will cost money and time. Start full time job. Send both kids to nursery. Including my little one who doesn't even walk yet and who always need his mummy but cries with any other perdon5 holding him.

You work part time now so he has learned to cope with that. Sometimes both parents need to work, it's just how it is.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 23/01/2022 10:18

@RandomMess

The children can go to school based on where their Dad lives as he has parental responsibility and you will have shared care!!!
Good point.
Momijin · 23/01/2022 10:41

Bloody hell op. I have been to both state and private schools, have friends whose children go to both state and private schools. There are bullies and idiots and lovely kids whether their parents are rich or poor or in between.

You have to take control of your own destiny and stop letting him walk all over you. You can do it and your kids will be fine.

But of you don't want your kids to be in childcare (which I get) then look at ways of making an income working from home and build your career /income until you're ready to split when the kids are both at school.

RandomMess · 23/01/2022 10:59

Shock horror your "D"P could look after his DC so you can work full time.

Stop being a pushover.

Rainbowpurple · 23/01/2022 13:41

Op most full time working mums and kids just adapt. Mine is not even 1 yet but I have to work full time so that is that. You sound like you already made your mind up staying for the security and sake of your kids, but it means you are fully embracing the fact that you are OK not in a marriage and happy to keep sacrificing your earning potential and fanincial stability. What about he walks out on you to marry 'the one' in 2 years? You will just be in a worse position.

Don't assume things will take ages to process. The housing market is good now. Why do you think it will be a bloody nightmare?

Persoanlly, if you can't provide the financial support on your own for your kids, that is not the place for you and your kids. Anything can happen to take that away. Good luck!

Spinstermum · 23/01/2022 13:53

If I would leave that guy then yes I'd be able to provide for my kids. My job pays a lot more than any regural job. Going full time and getting benefits on the top of that would give me all we need. I'm sorry about the areas we might live ect. This town is small. I know all the areas and accommodations given from our government. They are not good. I'm willing to sacrify my needs over my kids needs.

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Spinstermum · 23/01/2022 13:55

My less than 1 year old feels fine with a family members looking after him while I'm at work. It will take a time to adjust if he would go to nursery. Also I didn't want to lose this precious time by not spending time with my little only working every day.

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Rainbowpurple · 23/01/2022 13:58

So you going full time will give you all the things you need but you will still have to apply for the council housing in a 'bad' area? Hard to follow here.

Spinstermum · 23/01/2022 15:36

@Rainbowpurple

So you going full time will give you all the things you need but you will still have to apply for the council housing in a 'bad' area? Hard to follow here.
No I don't want to do that . I want to stay where I am as it's better for my kids. I'm stuck with him.
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AlDanvers · 23/01/2022 15:52

You aren't stuck. You are choosing this life.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 23/01/2022 16:12

You aren't stuck. You're making an active choice to accept the worst case scenario instead of safeguarding your financial future by at least getting paperwork in order and working full time.

If he leaves you, you're more fucked than you are now and will be in a less strong position to provide for your children post-split.

That's why everyone is recommending going back to work full time now (rather than waiting until you split / he leaves you) and making the childcare costs a joint problem - not something that is your problem to fix and nothing to do with him. The children are 50% his responsibility.

By getting paperwork sorted AND going back to full time work (rather than just the paperwork but), if you do split, as he could simply walk away tomorrow, you have some independence.

Rainbowpurple · 23/01/2022 18:56

As youvegottenminuteslynn said, you are Not stuck. You want to make that choice which is fine but you need to fully own it rather than saying it like there are not any other options.

You paint a very black and white picture here though about council housing, single parent and now full time working. No one is losing that precious time with little one by choice, it is life and you have responsibility to provide for that little one. Stop feeling sorry for yourself if this is what you decide to choose for your life.

VodselForDinner · 23/01/2022 20:42

I want to stay where I am as it's better for my kids. I'm stuck with him

And if he leaves you…?

Dreamsofholidays78 · 23/01/2022 22:32

It’s not better for your kids, materially maybe, but growing up in a household where dad doesn’t respect mum and where there’s tension is going to be damaging. If you have a girl, they’ll see their mum dependent on a man and unhappy. Not great role modelling.
You can still spend time with your dc and work full time. No one remembers being a toddler and as long as they feel secure and loved and are in a positive environment then you don’t need to spend all your time with them. Much better to be a happy, independent, strong role model instead.
As pp have said, you also risk your partner walking out because he does find someone he likes enough to marry. Then you and dc will lose the financial security which is all you’re really staying for anyway.
You’re making too many excuses for not acting. Look into things before you say you’re ‘stuck’ you don’t know the basics at the moment such as the difference between home insurance and pensions so you don’t actually know financially what position you would be in.
You need to get the documents and talk to a solicitor. You should get into full time work. That is what I would do
Please don’t be a passenger in your own life,

Spinstermum · 24/01/2022 06:55

Going back to full time job? I was seriously thinking to going back full time after your advise until I've done my calculation. After paying HALF for nursery and HALF bils I will be working 4 days to cover all that. My last 5th day is going to be my income . I will be working my ass off for all week just to earn 1 day wage. That's great.

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Spinstermum · 24/01/2022 06:58

Now I'm part time. I'm not paying for nursery at all as family is looking after kids. Not paying for any bills. I'm paying for good things for the house kids clothes.

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RantyAunty · 24/01/2022 07:27

How many days do you work now?

RantyAunty · 24/01/2022 07:38

If family watches your DC now, why would you have to pay for 5 days of nursery?
The family can continue as they are.

What type of work do you do?

Spinstermum · 24/01/2022 07:51

@RantyAunty

If family watches your DC now, why would you have to pay for 5 days of nursery? The family can continue as they are.

What type of work do you do?

No family can't watch kids for 5 days. They are too old. They watch kids for 2 days and moaning it's too much for them. I'm 2 days st work. I'm earning much more than mon wage still not enough to cover bills. So single mum's working full time you must be genious to be able to do it. I can't
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