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Elderly stepmum, dad died, so conflicted

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BangtanLove · 23/12/2021 23:46

Hello. I'm feeling very angry, sad and frightened right now. My dad died 2 weeks ago, suddenly. He was 77. His partner of nearly 40 years is 82. She is bereft. They were not married. So as not to drip feed, some basic background:
My parents split when I was 7 after a rocky few years where they both cheated. Dad left my mum for my stepmum. I'm an only child.
Parents had a very very acrimonious divorce. My mum did all the stuff you read about - training me on what to say to social workers when they had a custody battle, telling me all sorts of poisonous stuff about him like he never loved me, never wanted me etc.
Dad never said a bad word about mum. But my stepmum was often cruel to me (verbally, she was never physically abusive) - very harsh in discipline and lots of your dad doesn't love you etc. Dad himself was always loving to me and my happiest childhood memories are with him. But he absolutely knew what stepmum was like to me, and brushed it under the carpet.
Due to their difficult relationship I saw dad rarely growing up and actually didn't see him at all from 13_18 yrs old. At the time mum said it was that dad refused but I now know it was more complicated than that.
Mum had mental and physical health issues all my life and died suddenly when I was 21. Dad and stepmum helped me a lot at that time, immediately afterwards and for a few weeks following.
I wasn't close to dad but made an effort to see him a few times a year. He and stepmum came as a pair - they were never separate.
Both dad and stepmum came from very seriously abusive and poverty stricken homes. They weren't family oriented people.
Since having kids we have been a bit closer and my kids know my stepmum as their grandma.

So dad has died. And now my stepmum needs me. She has no living relatives at all. Is frail and in poor health, with severe anxiety issues. She has not quite lost her marbles, but definitely on the edge (talks into the remote as if it's a phone, leaves the house with hat but no coat, gets the days confused). Dad left everything to her (his will mentions his 'children' as next beneficiaries but does not name me except as co-executor with her). They own the property jointly but all bills are in his name. No joint account. She has no pension except state - dad paid for everything. She hasn't dealt with finances for nearly 40 yrs. She's deep in shock and grieving. I can't leave her. I will of course help her and look after her. But I am really struggling with how nasty she is being when she feels low. I can cope with tearful, stressed, snappy. But she has made quite a few comments over the last 2 weeks around money and that she feels I am taking too much control and she might just sell the house and leave. She has had panic attacks over the bills and spent hours clutching my hand, crying and asking me to help, that she can't manage her finances. So I've offered to manage the estate as executor and have started doing that, whilst telling her everything that's happening. And so it feels like such a slap to then have her make nasty comments about me shutting her out. I've told her that I'm happy for her to manage things herself and then she backtracks and wants me to do it.

I just can't cope with her being nasty to me, it takes me back to being a kid. I know she can't help it, but it makes me miserable. And I'm so resentful that I am now probably responsible for looking after her for god knows how many years when she was so awful to me growing up.

Sorry this is long. I have a lot of feelings right now and just wanted to vent.

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JoyOrbison · 23/12/2021 23:50

Step away, her behaviour does not merit any of your time. She married your dad, not you, and you are not obliged to take your dad's place as carer.

BangtanLove · 23/12/2021 23:51

Thanks Joy. I don't feel its that simple to be honest. She has no one. And to my kids she is grandma.

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WizbitsLeftEye · 23/12/2021 23:54

This is a hard one because morally you want to help her but she needs to know she's been an utter grade a cunt to you over the last forty years and that you'd have no qualms over walking away now your dad is gone.

I'm sorry for your loss Flowers

PamDenick · 23/12/2021 23:54

Poor you. What a nightmare situation. Can you ask for some support from an adult social worker? I know it might not be immediate but you definitely need some help… Or perhaps try Age Concern?

PermanentTemporary · 23/12/2021 23:55

What a really, really difficult situation.

I think you are a very good person not to walk away. But I also think you should look for a trustworthy person or people to take some or all of the burden. Essentially I would look for an exit strategy?

What about appointing a solicitor to help you as executor, to start with? Do you think there is enough money?

BangtanLove · 24/12/2021 00:01

Yes, social services and a solicitor are a good shout. I've been in touch with age concern but only in regards to organising a cleaner to come in the new year.

The nastiness is not constant BTW, a lot of the time she's nice. But it is so draining because I never know when she will turn. She's always been like that, the slightest thing can set her off and it's like she goes to a very dark place in her head and can't switch it off. She then has to just get all the bile out, and then is back to normal without missing a beat. She clearly has some severe PTSD. But I just can't deal with it, especially as I have young kids.

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dane8 · 24/12/2021 00:04

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CeibaTree · 24/12/2021 00:10

It's very sad for her to be widowed suddenly, however I'm a firm believer in you reap what you sow, she was down right cruel to you when you were a child and she was a grown woman. Call social services and see why they suggest going forward. Being a executor does not make you responsible for your dad's wife. Sorry for the loss of your dad, no matter how complex our relationship with our parents are, they are still the only ones we had x

BangtanLove · 24/12/2021 00:10

I think I will ask SS for advice.

@dane8 I really don't think it was the case that she tried to keep me away from my dad, in fact quite the opposite. That was all my mum. None of them behaved well or looked after me properly but stepmum wasn't a blocker. She grew up in an abusive home and she doesn't really know how family relationships are supposed to work. Not making excuses for her. It's just plain fact and sadly the time when she could have got the therapy she needed has now passed i think.

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BangtanLove · 24/12/2021 00:14

It's really interesting that people are saying I should step away. I don't think I want to do that, I couldn't live with myself. But I need to find a way to set boundaries so that she can't hurt me. I know she is lashing out because she's frightened and I have a lot of empathy for her actually, but I do need to protect myself too.

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Purplewithred · 24/12/2021 00:19

With all that history it’s not surprising this is really hard for you.

What I would say is this - you are now a grown, capable, adult woman who is generously helping her despite all she did to hurt you in the past. You have the power here.

How do you react when she turns on you? Could you reherse a couple of stock responses to make it clear it’s not acceptable. It might feel a bit dramatic but something like “If you talk to me like that I will walk away. If you want my help I expect you to treat me with respect”. Or just down tools and leave the room/house. Or whatever works for you (the trick is to practice away from her so it just comes out seamlessly at the time).

I echo the social services/solicitor route though. It sounds as though she might benefit from a trip to the GP too for her confusion.

BangtanLove · 24/12/2021 00:25

@Purplewithred thank you, that's a really good idea. I generally sort of freeze when she starts being nasty. It frightens me I suppose, although I don't know why.

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Tulips21 · 24/12/2021 00:33

I would step away - As in, let a solicitor amd social services deal with her.
You can still care for her- just not face to face, as a carer myself- I see this all the time where all care plans ect are put in place and the relative isnt in direct contact.

Sorry to hear about your Dad.

GreenClock · 24/12/2021 00:34

It frightens you because you recall what it was like when you were 7ish I think. It takes you back. You were a in vulnerable position, just a child.

I’d walk away from this tbh. It’ll pan out quite badly for you as she becomes frailer and frailer. Are your children old enough to be told the whole story, as you’ve written it here? They’d support you in stepping away if so.

junebirthdaygirl · 24/12/2021 00:34

People with onset dementia can get very paranoid about money. This happened with my mil and she began saying quite horrid things about money. She gradually became more confused.
Maybe after a short while she may need to be assessed by a consultant for the elderly.
Meantime remember you are doing this ,not because she deserves this but because you believe it's the right thing to do. You sound very kind but do look after yourself in it all.

Starcup · 24/12/2021 00:40

You sound absolutely lovely OP.

I think I’d have told her to fuck off and get on with it herself in your shoes 😮

LuluBlakey1 · 24/12/2021 00:45

It is very difficult for you. Apart from anything else your legal position is awkward. She sounds as if, very soon perhaps, she may be unable to make sound decisions or manage.

Now your father is dead and his estate all passes to her, your role as executor will be defunct once any paperwork re:transition of accounts to her etc is complete. She really needs to put in place a Lasting Power of Attorney - both financial and health kinds - if she wants you, or someone else, to be able to help her. She also needs to make a will if she has not already- I presume your father left his estate to her outright and not just for her lifetime. As they were not married, it would pass to her relatives , if she has any, on her death, unless she makes a will.

You are in a difficult emotional position too. I would be very firm with her(as well as kind) and not put up with any nonsense from her- say bluntly 'Please don't speak to me like that. I am trying to help you. If you don't trust me I am happy to step back.'

Is there anyone who can support you? I would keep a record of any financial help you give her and copies of receipts/bills just to protect yourself.

Ultimately, she may be unable to manage at her home and that could be a very and that could be a very difficult time if she is not willing to accept that.

BangtanLove · 24/12/2021 00:47

Kids are primary school age, so not old enough for the background here.

Solicitor and SS are my next port of call in the new year. Just need to get through Christmas.

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BangtanLove · 24/12/2021 00:53

She has a will which my dad organised. It states her estate goes to her 'stepchildren' - not sure whatxthat actually means legally given her andndad werent married. It does name me as her stepdaughter in the section on executors (im executor for her as well). But to be hmedt i fully expect that any money she has will go on care for her. We did the LPA last week and I need to send the paperwork off. She saw her gp to get him to sign the paperwork and he had a proper (private, without me) conversation with her about what it meant amd whether she wanted me. He was happy to sign so that gives me some confidence that she does trust me. It's just the nasty voices in her head that start eating away at her. But I am keeping careful records of everything because I absolutely don't want to put myself at risk of looking like I'm taking advantage.

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Greenfields124 · 24/12/2021 00:57

I was thinking the same as a PP that her mood changes around money could be dementia.

Would it be helpful to get her assessed?
If you have that it might ease your mind that she doesn't really mean to say/do what she is doing, when she goes through these episodes.
It sounds likely from her other behaviours this could be the cause.

BangtanLove · 24/12/2021 01:01

Yes I am wondering about dementia. Her GP (who I met when i took her to her appt last week) was keen for her to register me as next of kin and permission to discuss records with me. Another job for January.

When i say she has no one else, she has friends, but zero living relatives, not even cousins.

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Rogue1001 · 24/12/2021 01:05

Flowers to you.

This is complex, isn't it.

Remember you can't control what others do or say, only how you feel and react. You clearly understand the history. But remember you carry that, she probably doesn't
Fwiw, I think you're right not to walk away.

But you do need to find a mechanism so it doesn't hurt you.
Is there anyone in RL supporting you?

BangtanLove · 24/12/2021 01:09

DH is lovely and an absolute rock. But we do have a lot on our plate already with primary aged kids, one with some emotional/behaviour issues, each having demanding full time jobs. It's not an easy time and I am feeling quite fearful for the next few months. And that's when I get resentful which is not helpful. I cared for my mum when I was a teenager/at uni, when she had mental and physical health issues. And I don't want to go back there again.

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Hairyfriend · 24/12/2021 01:10

So sorry for your loss OP. You are grieving too Flowers

You do realise that verbal abuse is still ABUSE of a child!!! Its not just physical! This women abused you as a small child which is absolutely appalling- regardless of her upbringing.

She sounds like she has some form of dementia, possibly alzheimers, lewy body or another form. Its amazing how when 1 partner dies, things like this exacerbate when the partner is no longer there to support and hold them up (and in some cases hide the fact that the partner clearly has severe decline in mental function!)

I completely agree with a social services assessment and ideally seeing her GP about her mental health/decline. You might find info about dementia on the age UK website including signs to look for. Its a dreadful situation, but you have lost you father OP, and known him longer than her! Yes she lost a partner, but if I was in your shoes, I'd make absolutely NO promises at all. You have no obligations to care for your childhood abuser!!!! The fact that 40yrs ago when she was presumably young and well, she never bothered or cared to learn or know about how to pay bills, is not your fault!

This person abused you as a child, and regardless of her current state, I'd always be cautious around your own children.

Age UK webite and the dementia UK website are great links. Also social services. I'd be making it absolutely clear to them that you are in position to provide her care/support/nursing care as she declines.

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but her condition will decline if she does indeed have a form of dementia. Regardless, she is not YOUR responsibility. You need time with you own family and to grieve in your own time. This woman laid her bed many years ago. you sound lovely OP, and I too would be torn like you.

Would you be so caring and helpful if she was abusing your own children like she did you???

Hairyfriend · 24/12/2021 01:13

That should say you are in NO position at all to care for this woman/abuser.

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