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Elderly stepmum, dad died, so conflicted

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BangtanLove · 23/12/2021 23:46

Hello. I'm feeling very angry, sad and frightened right now. My dad died 2 weeks ago, suddenly. He was 77. His partner of nearly 40 years is 82. She is bereft. They were not married. So as not to drip feed, some basic background:
My parents split when I was 7 after a rocky few years where they both cheated. Dad left my mum for my stepmum. I'm an only child.
Parents had a very very acrimonious divorce. My mum did all the stuff you read about - training me on what to say to social workers when they had a custody battle, telling me all sorts of poisonous stuff about him like he never loved me, never wanted me etc.
Dad never said a bad word about mum. But my stepmum was often cruel to me (verbally, she was never physically abusive) - very harsh in discipline and lots of your dad doesn't love you etc. Dad himself was always loving to me and my happiest childhood memories are with him. But he absolutely knew what stepmum was like to me, and brushed it under the carpet.
Due to their difficult relationship I saw dad rarely growing up and actually didn't see him at all from 13_18 yrs old. At the time mum said it was that dad refused but I now know it was more complicated than that.
Mum had mental and physical health issues all my life and died suddenly when I was 21. Dad and stepmum helped me a lot at that time, immediately afterwards and for a few weeks following.
I wasn't close to dad but made an effort to see him a few times a year. He and stepmum came as a pair - they were never separate.
Both dad and stepmum came from very seriously abusive and poverty stricken homes. They weren't family oriented people.
Since having kids we have been a bit closer and my kids know my stepmum as their grandma.

So dad has died. And now my stepmum needs me. She has no living relatives at all. Is frail and in poor health, with severe anxiety issues. She has not quite lost her marbles, but definitely on the edge (talks into the remote as if it's a phone, leaves the house with hat but no coat, gets the days confused). Dad left everything to her (his will mentions his 'children' as next beneficiaries but does not name me except as co-executor with her). They own the property jointly but all bills are in his name. No joint account. She has no pension except state - dad paid for everything. She hasn't dealt with finances for nearly 40 yrs. She's deep in shock and grieving. I can't leave her. I will of course help her and look after her. But I am really struggling with how nasty she is being when she feels low. I can cope with tearful, stressed, snappy. But she has made quite a few comments over the last 2 weeks around money and that she feels I am taking too much control and she might just sell the house and leave. She has had panic attacks over the bills and spent hours clutching my hand, crying and asking me to help, that she can't manage her finances. So I've offered to manage the estate as executor and have started doing that, whilst telling her everything that's happening. And so it feels like such a slap to then have her make nasty comments about me shutting her out. I've told her that I'm happy for her to manage things herself and then she backtracks and wants me to do it.

I just can't cope with her being nasty to me, it takes me back to being a kid. I know she can't help it, but it makes me miserable. And I'm so resentful that I am now probably responsible for looking after her for god knows how many years when she was so awful to me growing up.

Sorry this is long. I have a lot of feelings right now and just wanted to vent.

OP posts:
BangtanLove · 24/12/2021 01:18

I understand what everyone is saying about her abusing me. But to be honest she was no worse than my own mum, although different in the presentation. And I find it hard to really see things clearly now that she is so old and frail. If she were to be nasty to my children I would protect them from her, and I am mindful of this. I wouldn't leave her alone with them in case her mood turned. But cut her off.. I'm not sure. She is like a wounded animal really.

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Blossom64265 · 24/12/2021 01:19

Take the stepmum part out of it for a moment. Many of us have difficult relationships with our aging parents. It is hard to strike a balance between helping a person who is needs it and protecting yourself. There will be people who tell you to walk away and there will be people who tell you that even if the elderly person was an abuser, you must care for them in old age. No matter what decision you make, someone is going to tell you that you are doing this wrong.

I’m not going to advise you to walk away because I know it’s not that simple. I’m going to tell you what boundaries I have set. I will help with paperwork and accounts. I will help set up services. I will not provide personal care. I will not clean unless I helped make the mess. I do not call in the late afternoon or evening when it is more likely that alcohol will play a role in the conversation.

BangtanLove · 24/12/2021 01:22

Thank you @Blossom64265, that is really helpful.

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Momijin · 24/12/2021 04:10

You sound like such a lovely person op. I understand how you feel obligated because you are an empath.

However, this person wasn't kind to you when you were a little girl so she doesn't deserve your kindness now. Can you imagine treating your kids like she treated you? Just because your mother was also toxic doesn't make her behaviour ok.

And whilst I admire you helping her, she is also treating you badly now. Her unpredictable behaviour is also causing you anxiety.

Your priority is your family - your kids, your husband and your life. By all means help set up what she needs but then leave her.

I am a natural empath and helpful but in the last 10 years I have much stronger boundaries. I will help people if I can but I will not go out of my way for people who don't appreciate or reciprocate it when I've needed it.

I'm sorry for your loss op.

MyOtherProfile · 24/12/2021 04:19

I would feel the same obligation as you OP but as pp said make sure you rehearse responses so that you can set boundaries. Be very clear with her and social workers that you have limits.

Hope you can have a good Christmas within all this.

sjxoxo · 24/12/2021 04:24

Agree sounds like dementia. Very hard- you sound like a saint op. You could look at power of attorney? She doesn’t sound capable. Remember that with dementia hurtful things said or done aren’t ‘genuine’ …be kind to yourself too at this time Xox

TheWorldGotInTheWay · 24/12/2021 04:26

No way would I be helping her. She was cruel to you as a child. That’s unforgiveable. There’s no way she’d have access to my kids though.
She may be frail and old now but she when she was strong and you were a vulnerable child, she was unkind.

Leave her to it. Karma is a bitch.

Apple1971 · 24/12/2021 07:17

I had a similar but different situation with my mother who left us when I was a child. We had a tricky relationship most of my early adult life but managed to find an ok way forward as she got older.

When her husband died she needed a lot of support. I phoned her daily, went to stay with her and stepped up how often I saw her (even though it was still quite hard for many reasons)

It’s easy for people not in your situation to say you owe her nothing and walk away, but could you really live with yourself if you did. Probably not.

Look into help offered by social services and other organisations. We found the RVS offer great support and used a company called home instead for care support. My mum also lived in supported housing which really helped will lots of the day to day practical stuff. Perhaps there is somewhere like that you can look into for her.

My mum died 3 years ago. I am able to rest easy in knowing that despite our past I did the right thing when it mattered. I think that’s the best you can do. You know what you can live with - and for me being kind and doing the right thing even though she didn’t when I was young was important for me.

BellaChagall · 24/12/2021 07:24

You lost your dad 2 weeks ago, she lost her partner of 40 years. You need more time, you are still in the early stages of grief. I'd give it a bit more time and see how you feel when the pain has lessened.

Cattitudes · 24/12/2021 07:29

In the new year I would begin to look into supported housing with her. It takes the stress out of some of the situation as there is always someone other than you to call on and you and your dc can enjoy her as Grandma rather than having to sit for hours colouring as you sort out the next crisis.

rookiemere · 24/12/2021 07:31

You've had some great advice, I think if it were me I'd try to focus on the practical elements- as you are doing. Making sure the bills are set up in her name etc. and maybe put a time box on some of it. So once this period is over then pull back to once per week or whatever seems suitable.

I would try not to feel guilty about refusing to be her emotional punch bag or confidante, just cut her off if you don't want to listen to her ramblings. You owe her nothing and you're already giving her a lot more than that.

BellaChagall · 24/12/2021 07:32

OP I should have also said I'm very sorry for your loss.

Dozer · 24/12/2021 07:36

You are NOT responsible for your stepmother.

Your father let you down very badly throughout your life. She too treated you badly and indeed was emotionally abusive.

You have other, healthier, choices.

Beautiful3 · 24/12/2021 07:50

As shes struggling, is it worth taking her to view some homes? She'll get fed, reminders for medication and company. I can't see how you can look after her.

RC1234 · 24/12/2021 07:52

Really sorry for you and her. However my experience of dealing with people like this is that they will only behave as badly as you let them. It is really hard because I don't like doing it but if you give the impression of taking no prisoners and being quite able to walk away then they always seem to find so much more respect for you. When she starts being rude point it out factually and step away temporarily. You don't have to abandon her just make her think that you could. When she doesn't like what you are doing point out the alternatives and make her choose. And of course getting SS and or solicitors on standby just in case this does actually break down is a good idea.

Gazelda · 24/12/2021 08:07

If you haven't already, I'd start setting a pattern for when you visit.

I can come in on Saturday morning for an hour while junior is at football. And then I'll pop in on Tuesday on way home from work. I'll call you on Thursday eve for your shopping list (if she has inline deliveries).

And I echo what pp have said, walk away every time she is nasty. She has no right or justification to abuse you. You have no obligation or need to listen to her bile.

Remind her that you care for her and will help to look after her. But your primary responsibility is to your young DC and if your relationship with her continues to affect your home life with them, you'll have to reduce how many ch time you spend with her.

muddyford · 24/12/2021 08:23

If you can, regard what is the past as the past. As PPs have said, I would need to be kind to the woman whom your children call Grandma. How you act to your stepmother is a model for them as how to treat the generation above them - you and their father. The children didn't see what happened in your childhood, but they will see how their grandmother is treated by their mother. Let the nastiness stay in the past for your children's sake.

Thepineapplemystery · 24/12/2021 08:25

Contact social services asap and get that process started - they'll be able to offer practical support for her. She doesn't need the diagnosis to access help. Be honest about your relationship with her (e.gm, it's not close and you'll be arm's length at best).

Dozer · 24/12/2021 08:30

Strongly disagree, Spanielsarepainless.

OP’s current actions go well beyond ‘being kind’ and involve considerable time and energy - her resources.

OP was emotionally abused and will be affected by ‘FOG’ (fear, obligation and guilt).

She has her own life and family, young DC. Spending time/energy on her awful stepmother is to OP and her family’s detriment.

Another option would be to do the essentials as regards the will, inform social services and the GP that stepmum is vulnerable, showing signs of being unwell and without family support, but provide no or very little care / practical day to day help.

TheQuietChristmas · 24/12/2021 08:37

You remind me of myself and my own situation, except it is a bit of a different mix.

Mum died, dad got another partner, she was a cow to me, I didn't see much of him etc. etc. For a time my crappy dad was better than no dad and I sucked up and played down a lot of bad behaviour. As a parent I can see that this is not how you treat your child.

My Step-mum is now dead and I am expected to pick up the pieces. I do some things, but mown family and DC come first, not them.

As for your step mum, unless I was going to inherit a big wad of money after she passes, I wouldn't spend one second on her. You owe her nothing and you certainly don't need to waste any precious family time on her.

Starcup · 24/12/2021 08:44

@Dozer

Strongly disagree, Spanielsarepainless.

OP’s current actions go well beyond ‘being kind’ and involve considerable time and energy - her resources.

OP was emotionally abused and will be affected by ‘FOG’ (fear, obligation and guilt).

She has her own life and family, young DC. Spending time/energy on her awful stepmother is to OP and her family’s detriment.

Another option would be to do the essentials as regards the will, inform social services and the GP that stepmum is vulnerable, showing signs of being unwell and without family support, but provide no or very little care / practical day to day help.

This and the post below it are spot on.

It’s a bit like finding out someone in their mid 80’s committed a crime when they were 30. Should that just be ‘forgotten and forgiven’ because they are old and frail? I don’t think so!

She might not have committed an actual crime but she was a horrible nasty woman.

AdamRyan · 24/12/2021 08:51

You sound lovely op and it's clear you and SM are both grieving so it's going to be difficult.
If you are already talking to the GP, could you make a double length appointment and ask him what he suggests? He should be able to put you in touch with people/organisations that can help.

I also think the suggestion around sheltered housing or a residential home is a good one, and probably one that's better sooner rather than later as if she develops medical needs she may not be eligible for housing like that. Being round other people and even things like having some provide food, could really help her.

AndSoFinally · 24/12/2021 08:58

I don't know if this helps, but it's very much Sapphire thinking from Teepa Snow's model of dementia. She gives pretty good resources on managing this

teepasnow.com/about/about-teepa-snow/the-gems-brain-change-model/

BangtanLove · 24/12/2021 09:02

Thank you everyone, so much advice here and it's helping me to see things a bit more clearly. I will have a long think about what boundaries I want to set and how I will manage them. One thing that makes it more difficult is that she lives in a village about 40 minutes away so I can't just pop round for half an hour here and there.
She's coming to us for Christmas and we will see how that goes. Generally she's much better when she's around a few people so fingers crossed, and DH is primed to step in if she gets into a downward spiral with me (she LOVES him to bits). Then have appt with registrar on NYE (autopsy has delayed everything practical), get the funeral sorted and start notifying banks, getting utilities moved into her name etc. And cal SS and solicitor. Once the finance stuff is starting to be sorted I will feel better about stepping back a little, I think.

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Santahatesbraisedcabbage · 24/12/2021 09:05

My sm was very similar in her treatment of me. I wasn't even allowed a drink in their flat.. The flat my dgf gave my dps as a wedding gift.! She upped it when I had dc... But slyly. Gained dc's love for about 5 years then announced she wasn't a real dgm and dumped us all. Df followed soon after.. No way will I ever be in a room with her. You are a bigger person than me op.