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Elderly stepmum, dad died, so conflicted

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BangtanLove · 23/12/2021 23:46

Hello. I'm feeling very angry, sad and frightened right now. My dad died 2 weeks ago, suddenly. He was 77. His partner of nearly 40 years is 82. She is bereft. They were not married. So as not to drip feed, some basic background:
My parents split when I was 7 after a rocky few years where they both cheated. Dad left my mum for my stepmum. I'm an only child.
Parents had a very very acrimonious divorce. My mum did all the stuff you read about - training me on what to say to social workers when they had a custody battle, telling me all sorts of poisonous stuff about him like he never loved me, never wanted me etc.
Dad never said a bad word about mum. But my stepmum was often cruel to me (verbally, she was never physically abusive) - very harsh in discipline and lots of your dad doesn't love you etc. Dad himself was always loving to me and my happiest childhood memories are with him. But he absolutely knew what stepmum was like to me, and brushed it under the carpet.
Due to their difficult relationship I saw dad rarely growing up and actually didn't see him at all from 13_18 yrs old. At the time mum said it was that dad refused but I now know it was more complicated than that.
Mum had mental and physical health issues all my life and died suddenly when I was 21. Dad and stepmum helped me a lot at that time, immediately afterwards and for a few weeks following.
I wasn't close to dad but made an effort to see him a few times a year. He and stepmum came as a pair - they were never separate.
Both dad and stepmum came from very seriously abusive and poverty stricken homes. They weren't family oriented people.
Since having kids we have been a bit closer and my kids know my stepmum as their grandma.

So dad has died. And now my stepmum needs me. She has no living relatives at all. Is frail and in poor health, with severe anxiety issues. She has not quite lost her marbles, but definitely on the edge (talks into the remote as if it's a phone, leaves the house with hat but no coat, gets the days confused). Dad left everything to her (his will mentions his 'children' as next beneficiaries but does not name me except as co-executor with her). They own the property jointly but all bills are in his name. No joint account. She has no pension except state - dad paid for everything. She hasn't dealt with finances for nearly 40 yrs. She's deep in shock and grieving. I can't leave her. I will of course help her and look after her. But I am really struggling with how nasty she is being when she feels low. I can cope with tearful, stressed, snappy. But she has made quite a few comments over the last 2 weeks around money and that she feels I am taking too much control and she might just sell the house and leave. She has had panic attacks over the bills and spent hours clutching my hand, crying and asking me to help, that she can't manage her finances. So I've offered to manage the estate as executor and have started doing that, whilst telling her everything that's happening. And so it feels like such a slap to then have her make nasty comments about me shutting her out. I've told her that I'm happy for her to manage things herself and then she backtracks and wants me to do it.

I just can't cope with her being nasty to me, it takes me back to being a kid. I know she can't help it, but it makes me miserable. And I'm so resentful that I am now probably responsible for looking after her for god knows how many years when she was so awful to me growing up.

Sorry this is long. I have a lot of feelings right now and just wanted to vent.

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BangtanLove · 24/12/2021 09:10

@TheQuietChristmas

You remind me of myself and my own situation, except it is a bit of a different mix.

Mum died, dad got another partner, she was a cow to me, I didn't see much of him etc. etc. For a time my crappy dad was better than no dad and I sucked up and played down a lot of bad behaviour. As a parent I can see that this is not how you treat your child.

My Step-mum is now dead and I am expected to pick up the pieces. I do some things, but mown family and DC come first, not them.

As for your step mum, unless I was going to inherit a big wad of money after she passes, I wouldn't spend one second on her. You owe her nothing and you certainly don't need to waste any precious family time on her.

As it stands I would inherit quite a lot from her, actually, and I'm also trying really hard to not let that influence me. It's money my dad left to her which is hers to do with as she wishes and which will in all likelihood be spent on her care. I want to make sure she has all the information and have been trying really hard to be as transparent as possible as I get to the bottom of dad's finances (he was very secretive and never shared any information with her). Once it's all moved into her name she will be very comfortable for the rrst of her life. And she looked after him for 40 years, of course it should go to her. But I can't say that it doesn't hurt that I wasn't even named in his will when he told me on several occasions that he was leaving things to me. Well I was named, as in the next in line beneficiary if she died before him was 'his children' (he only had me!).
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awesomekilick · 24/12/2021 09:13

Thank god for people like you OP. All this transactional crap "you owe her nothing", "unless there was a wad of money in it for me", is so depressing to read.

Your understanding, sympathy and objectivity is heartwarming. I think she's panicking and terrified. She's lost everyone except you and doesn't and does want to need you. She's the same mix of good and bad as most of us.

I would put in a routine asap. Speak x times a week (once) by phone and see her twice a month - or whatever suits you. Be there for crises.

You say she has friends and this is when they too need to step up.

This will I imagine all involve you in heaps of memories surfacing and difficult painful feelings coming up. Maybe counselling for your overall history might help you retain your lovely kindness and build assertiveness too.

You too will reap what you sow: being a good human now will help you in your own future aging. Good luck.

BangtanLove · 24/12/2021 09:17

Thank you @awesomekilick, that is exactly what I needed to hear. And yes, she is a mix of good and bad, and not a monster. She was horribly abused as a child and it has caused her far more pain in her life than anything she did to me. But you're right, it is stirring up feelings and memories that I thought I had laid to rest a long time ago. I will also consider counselling for myself in the new year.

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baileys6904 · 24/12/2021 09:17

You sound lovely OP, and an absolute credit to you for the person you've become despite your start in life.

Please gte your step mum tested re memory. It sounds a lot like alzheimers-paranoia, mood and verbal nastiness etc. Alzheimers is such a nasty disease for those around the person. They can have hallucinations and it's such an anxious feeling-their brains telling them a, when everyone else is saying b. I dealt with someone who believed her husband of 20 years was having an affair and she'd seen them together in her own house etc. He wasn't, and she'd seen her own daughter in the room with him and didn't recognise her. She saw young girls on the stairs etc. The poor woman was distraught and it was just the strength of the disease taking hold. I know that doesn't explain her past behaviour but no one can change that.

Social services is definitely the way to go for support but do start the memory assessment process, just to make sure. Be truthful with doctors about the outbursts etc. Also if you have carers link or carers charities in your areas that can help.

gindreams · 24/12/2021 09:18

@TheQuietChristmas

How utterly ghastly you sound . A poor excuse for a human indeed

The Op on the other hand sounds wonderful , caring and kind and a model of decent humanity

BonnesVacances · 24/12/2021 09:22

I had a similar conversation about something like this with a friend the other day. She's being run ragged looking after her frail DP who have cancelled the carers she'd organised saying they don't need them. They're right of course because friend will just step in and take over.

I told friend that I thought her responsibility as a daughter is to make sure they are safe, warm and fed. It's not her responsibility to do all of those things herself, and it's totally acceptable to arrange carers and other people to provide any help they need. Friend works and has a disabled DD and doesn't have the extra capacity to do all of it herself.

I would see if you can agree with your SM to go into a home. She'll be looked after and she'll have company which she won't have at home. Living alone is very lonely and her dementia will progress more quickly. You'll have met your responsibility to make sure she's safe, warm and fed. And you might find when she's feeling safe and settled that she treats you better, as often when there's dementia, these moments of nastiness come from fear and feeling unsettled.

RedRosie · 24/12/2021 09:22

You are very kind OP. I am a childless SM. I wasn't the OW and I've always tried to be kind to my DSCs with whom I have a good relationship, I hope. I will only really have them if I lose my DH. I hope they will be as kind as you are and that I will have earned that kindness. But I guess I can't expect it as a "right".

Do what you think is right, but you have to prioritise yourself and your own family. So try and hold yourself a little apart from the situation ... I think one can be kind but firm in these situations, about where the boundaries are for you.

Automaticforthepeople · 24/12/2021 09:24

I admire your courage and compassion in dealing with this situation, OP.

Echoing the advice to have some prepared and practised responses to her, if/when she becomes nasty. And to walk away temporarily if necessary. You should not have to listen to that. It must be so triggering for you.

Glad to hear that you are thinking of stepping back a little. Hopefully, you can then arrange her care and oversee things without shouldering too much. Perhaps still being there, but maintaining enough distance for your own well-being. I cannot stress enough how important it is that you care for and protect yourself.

It may be a bit overwhelming to look into this too deeply at the moment, but Pete Walker has some advice in dealing with being triggered or having emotional flashbacks, some of which may be useful:
www.pete-walker.com/13StepsManageFlashbacks.htm

CornishGem1975 · 24/12/2021 09:26

You sound lovely, it's so hard when you're conflicted like this but please don't take on too much of the burden - just because abuse she has suffered was worse than what she dealt out to you, doesn't make it right. She is not your responsibility, and I say that as a step mum myself, don't abandon her but maybe ensure there is proper support in place for her, and step back as much as you feel you need to.

BangtanLove · 24/12/2021 09:27

Flowers to everyone here. I'm about to start my Christmas Eve feeling much more resilient than when I posted last night. I will update when I have a moment.

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SleepingStandingUp · 24/12/2021 09:28

Like you op I don't think I could just walk away. I don't think I'd forgive myself is something happened. However, she does need residential care as she's clearly deteriorating and you can't be her carer, for your sanitys sake.

Starcup · 24/12/2021 09:31

@awesomekilick

Thank god for people like you OP. All this transactional crap "you owe her nothing", "unless there was a wad of money in it for me", is so depressing to read.

Your understanding, sympathy and objectivity is heartwarming. I think she's panicking and terrified. She's lost everyone except you and doesn't and does want to need you. She's the same mix of good and bad as most of us.

I would put in a routine asap. Speak x times a week (once) by phone and see her twice a month - or whatever suits you. Be there for crises.

You say she has friends and this is when they too need to step up.

This will I imagine all involve you in heaps of memories surfacing and difficult painful feelings coming up. Maybe counselling for your overall history might help you retain your lovely kindness and build assertiveness too.

You too will reap what you sow: being a good human now will help you in your own future aging. Good luck.

She's the same mix of good and bad as most of us

Have you even read the OP’s post?

No one’s perfect, you’re right there but verbally and emotionally abusing a child is NOT ok!!!

Hunkydory99 · 24/12/2021 09:41

I’d see if she’ll see a GP or at least you talk to the GP. I had an aunt who started behaving like this and she was depressed. Several months on antidepressants and she was back to the lovely person we knew. She was also diagnosed at this point with the beginning of dementia so we got the necessary support as we lived 300 miles away. Appreciate your posts paint a picture of her never being nice but it could be worth a try. GP could also signpost to other support services. Good luck OP xxx

ElectraBlue · 24/12/2021 09:44

Sorry to be harsh but she is not your problem. Speak to social services and let them deal with her.

You should not put your mental health at risk for someone who has always treated you poorly. You will just end up with years of misery while caring for her and that will eventually affect your relationship with your own family.

I refused to 'care' for an elderly parent who was a constant liar, manipulator and abuser and who caused me no end of mental and physical pain when I was a child/teenager and who continued to lie and manipulate when I was an adult. Being old does not mean the pain disappears or that we should put ourselves through hell to care for those who never cared for us.

Angrymum22 · 24/12/2021 09:45

You have just lost your dad and regardless of your complex relationship you are grieving and very sensitive at the moment. However you are older and wiser and from your post able to understand the behaviours you have experienced.
It’s difficult to accept your SM behaviour but important to accept it for what it is, grief. In addition your SM is definitely showing symptoms of early dementia and it is good that you have LPA. Your dads death may well accelerate the dementia.
I think you are doing all the right things. Don’t take the outbursts personally, you cannot change her learnt behaviour patterns/response to stress. You cannot change the past but it sounds like you are happy in your own family life. This is your own safety net, talk to them about the situation so that they can support you if it all gets a bit too much.
You aren’t responsible for your SM but it is ok to take on the roll. It may be difficult but there is a lot of help out there.
It’s all happening at the worst possible time when access to help and information is difficult with Christmas and the pandemic. Take the next week off and relax,breathe and grieve. Start again in the new year when you e recharged your batteries.

Christmas1988 · 24/12/2021 09:50

The nastiness is probably her dementia starting if you think she’s going that way. My lovely, lovely nanna was awful when she started with dementia, she kept accusing me of stealing her Tesco club card of all things.

Do what you can to help if you feel you want to but don’t put pressure on yourself to do everything. There are lots of organisations to help and lift the load.

Starcup · 24/12/2021 09:55

@ElectraBlue

Sorry to be harsh but she is not your problem. Speak to social services and let them deal with her.

You should not put your mental health at risk for someone who has always treated you poorly. You will just end up with years of misery while caring for her and that will eventually affect your relationship with your own family.

I refused to 'care' for an elderly parent who was a constant liar, manipulator and abuser and who caused me no end of mental and physical pain when I was a child/teenager and who continued to lie and manipulate when I was an adult. Being old does not mean the pain disappears or that we should put ourselves through hell to care for those who never cared for us.

This. People shouldn’t be expected to put everything to side and forget about past behaviours, to the detriment of they’d own MH. No way
Cakeandcardio · 24/12/2021 10:07

I've noticed you say she came from an abusive home and don't know how family relationships work. But so did you and I can tell you aren't raising your children with the same abuse! I understand about not walking away but having clear responses as has been suggested is a good idea. I said something like: "you are welcome to stay with us but if you can't stop being nasty" to someone once. They changed immediately. So I wasn't confrontational but was clear with my boundaries. Hope you have a nice Christmas. You deserve better from her!

invisiblereally · 24/12/2021 10:15

@BangtanLove

Sorry for your loss OP. Dad was your favourite parent, I expect grieving dad will feel very different.

Just to mention, and it's unrelated to your worry about how she is coping- but ... you may not inherit anything from stepmum, even if she had an estate to leave eventually, as the wording of her will : . It states her estate goes to her 'stepchildren' - not sure whatxthat actually means legally given her andndad werent married.
Legally you aren't her stepchild. Any distant relative of hers may have a claim stronger than you do

You would be wise right now to take her to a solicitor to get that fixed specifying either that you are stepchild she means (a codicil to her will), whilst she still can. Dad and step mum worded their wills and planned poorly

It does not matter that your dad wrote you as second beneficiary , since stepmum inherited and it's now hers.

Santahatesbraisedcabbage · 24/12/2021 10:17

My df and sm won big money. She was insistant it was hers not theirs... He actually apologised for not being able to gift me /dc any. I am not grabby but he never paid anything for me as a dc. He didn't even get the dc a bag of sweets.. They now live alone in a big house I have never even visited.. Not seen them for over 20 years.

FreeBritnee · 24/12/2021 10:25

I think you’ve got to be honest with yourself and figure out your motivation.

Do you want to help an elderly woman who is the closest thing to extended family it sounds like you’ve got?
Do you want to walk away from a lady who was unkind to you when you were young?
Are you hanging around this person for future financial reasons ie. to keep one finger in the financial pie in the hope your dad’s inheritance comes back to you at some point?
All or some of the above?

I think once you can get to grips with how you truly feel and what your hopes are for the future then you can react accordingly.

What I would hate for you is you help this frail woman begrudgingly for the next decade because you’re hoping for some money at the end, only to find out she’s a malicious old bag who has written a new will leaning everything to the donkey sanctuary. If you plan on sticking around do it because you want to with zero expectation of receiving anything at the end.

If you don’t want to stick around, don’t.

Cocolapew · 24/12/2021 10:37

Sorry for your loss Flowers
My Dad died in October and my mum has had a few nasty moments, towards both me and her sister. Its not like her at all, she is a bit forgetful now and I think she's going into dementia. Also I think grief, shock and fear cause the outbursts.
I just get up and walk out, I live only 10 minutes away. I don't say anything just leave, she never apologises but knows to be on better behaviour with me.
She has got better as the weeks has gone on.

sofakingcool · 24/12/2021 10:38

Gosh what a difficult situation Sad, in an ideal world you'd walk away without a care in the world but you can't do that, I know that.

Vaguely similar situation with DH and his step mum - his Dad died earlier this year. There's no background of real deep nastiness (a few comments but nothing like your situation) but she's been quite difficult to handle since his death. Obviously she's upset, but so is DH. He's, along with his brother, had to be quite firm with her - they are trying to manage everything (they were executors etc) and manage her upset, whilst also dealing with their own grief - they've now been left with no parents.

It's taken a while, but a few firm stock answers were needed and now everything seems much better.

Good luck op xx

BangtanLove · 24/12/2021 10:45

[quote invisiblereally]@BangtanLove

Sorry for your loss OP. Dad was your favourite parent, I expect grieving dad will feel very different.

Just to mention, and it's unrelated to your worry about how she is coping- but ... you may not inherit anything from stepmum, even if she had an estate to leave eventually, as the wording of her will : . It states her estate goes to her 'stepchildren' - not sure whatxthat actually means legally given her andndad werent married.
Legally you aren't her stepchild. Any distant relative of hers may have a claim stronger than you do

You would be wise right now to take her to a solicitor to get that fixed specifying either that you are stepchild she means (a codicil to her will), whilst she still can. Dad and step mum worded their wills and planned poorly

It does not matter that your dad wrote you as second beneficiary , since stepmum inherited and it's now hers.

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Yes, that is what I feared. I named as her stepdaughter in the section on executors (something like 'I appoint my stepdaughter Bangtan Love as executor...). But the beneficiary section just says 'entire estate to be divided equally between my stepchildren'. My dad got their wills updated in 2018 and he used a company that has since shut down amid terrible reviews on trustpilot. It's a real will-by-numbers.

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Birthdaypug · 24/12/2021 10:47

@BangtanLove, I’ve been in a similar situation but with my mum, not stepmum. She was very independent and with it until she got close to 90, and then started to go downhill (with what subsequently was diagnosed as vascular dementia). She became increasingly angry with me for apparently no reason, but often about money. She often had me in tears. And thought my brothers were trying to do her out of her money. They weren’t of course. So hard though it is I’d stick with it. As this isn’t really her, it is the changes in her brain talking. My mum has always been quite narcissistic, and this came out so much more as the dementia developed. It won’t be easy but try not to take it personally. And as others have said, keep things as documented as possible so she can see what is happening. It won’t be easy, and I think it is likely she will need care at some point.