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Elderly stepmum, dad died, so conflicted

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BangtanLove · 23/12/2021 23:46

Hello. I'm feeling very angry, sad and frightened right now. My dad died 2 weeks ago, suddenly. He was 77. His partner of nearly 40 years is 82. She is bereft. They were not married. So as not to drip feed, some basic background:
My parents split when I was 7 after a rocky few years where they both cheated. Dad left my mum for my stepmum. I'm an only child.
Parents had a very very acrimonious divorce. My mum did all the stuff you read about - training me on what to say to social workers when they had a custody battle, telling me all sorts of poisonous stuff about him like he never loved me, never wanted me etc.
Dad never said a bad word about mum. But my stepmum was often cruel to me (verbally, she was never physically abusive) - very harsh in discipline and lots of your dad doesn't love you etc. Dad himself was always loving to me and my happiest childhood memories are with him. But he absolutely knew what stepmum was like to me, and brushed it under the carpet.
Due to their difficult relationship I saw dad rarely growing up and actually didn't see him at all from 13_18 yrs old. At the time mum said it was that dad refused but I now know it was more complicated than that.
Mum had mental and physical health issues all my life and died suddenly when I was 21. Dad and stepmum helped me a lot at that time, immediately afterwards and for a few weeks following.
I wasn't close to dad but made an effort to see him a few times a year. He and stepmum came as a pair - they were never separate.
Both dad and stepmum came from very seriously abusive and poverty stricken homes. They weren't family oriented people.
Since having kids we have been a bit closer and my kids know my stepmum as their grandma.

So dad has died. And now my stepmum needs me. She has no living relatives at all. Is frail and in poor health, with severe anxiety issues. She has not quite lost her marbles, but definitely on the edge (talks into the remote as if it's a phone, leaves the house with hat but no coat, gets the days confused). Dad left everything to her (his will mentions his 'children' as next beneficiaries but does not name me except as co-executor with her). They own the property jointly but all bills are in his name. No joint account. She has no pension except state - dad paid for everything. She hasn't dealt with finances for nearly 40 yrs. She's deep in shock and grieving. I can't leave her. I will of course help her and look after her. But I am really struggling with how nasty she is being when she feels low. I can cope with tearful, stressed, snappy. But she has made quite a few comments over the last 2 weeks around money and that she feels I am taking too much control and she might just sell the house and leave. She has had panic attacks over the bills and spent hours clutching my hand, crying and asking me to help, that she can't manage her finances. So I've offered to manage the estate as executor and have started doing that, whilst telling her everything that's happening. And so it feels like such a slap to then have her make nasty comments about me shutting her out. I've told her that I'm happy for her to manage things herself and then she backtracks and wants me to do it.

I just can't cope with her being nasty to me, it takes me back to being a kid. I know she can't help it, but it makes me miserable. And I'm so resentful that I am now probably responsible for looking after her for god knows how many years when she was so awful to me growing up.

Sorry this is long. I have a lot of feelings right now and just wanted to vent.

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Annike4 · 25/12/2021 15:34

I was stunned when my 80 year old Dad with cancer couldn't stand let alone walk and my 75 year old mother were left with no help whatsoever from Social Services or anything else. No care assessments. Some people came to look at their house about providing some equipment then left saying there was nothing they could do as the proportions of the ancient house were so small and narrow. We moved to be with them full time. I don't resent that because I love them to bits and there were no dementia issues.

What I am trying to say is, various organisations will see you as the person to take the burden, if you let them. There are huge gaps in provision and a lot of it costs money (carers dropping in etc). She is 82 and it won't be long until you are dealing with falls, eyesight issues etc, and there seems to be some early onset dementia from your description.

I am worried for you that the responsibility for her is all going to fall onto you, for possibly years ahead. You will be treated as the next of kin. It is a massive burden for you to take on. The more you do, the less that social services and care services will do.

Please please be careful about what you take on. This could take up the next 5 or 10 years of your life as it has done with me.

BangtanLove · 26/12/2021 14:40

Well we have had an OK couple of days so far, with SM (stepmum) being stable mood wise and much more relaxed. We're all travelling to see my in laws tomorrow and staying with them for a few days. One thing I have realised is that I feel like I'm constantly on edge trying to make sure everything stays calm so that her mood doesn't change - which is exactly how I felt when I stayed with them growing up. I just can't relax with her because all my thoughts revolve around how my actions will impact on her. She'd be horrified to hear that, but its true. Kids are having a lovely Christmas and so am I in a way, but I am definitely on edge the whole time. However, we are getting through this time much better than I expected. I've decided not to do much practical stuff this week, and next week really think hard about boundaries and what I'm prepared to do long term.

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Weenurse · 28/12/2021 07:43

How are you today?

MerryChristmas21 · 28/12/2021 10:32

You sound lovely 💐. I'm glad your Christmas went ok

I'm very sorry to hear about your Dad - it's even more complicated when you've had a difficult relationship.

Sadly, your Dad has, yet again, failed to protect you. He's signed over everything to his partner, not you. Solicitor has not helped (but cowboys gone bust! Unsurprisingly)

So much for you to sort out.

If you sold your Dads house, would there be enough money for her to buy a returent bungalow or apartment in a retirement village?

If there is then I'd definitely push her in that direction. As far as investments go, it's not great, but there is a lot of peace of mind in it, plus care (of sorts)!on hand. If she doesn't have dementia then she'll have a full social life & options for activities etc. if she has got the start of dementia, getting her settled in a manageable place will be incredibly helpful. Most of these places don't offer 'care' as such, but are on hand to help you, help her, as her needs change. You'll lose some of the value of your Dads house, but you're going to, no matter which way this goes.

You need her will sorted so that it's very clear, that whatever is left when she dies, goes to you & you need this done as soon as possible in case there is any dementia. Whatever is left, YOU are FAR more entitled to than anyone else.

If there's anything sentimental you want, you should start asking her for it now. Otherwise she may end up giving it away.

Take care, look after yourself & remember to tell your DH how much he means to you!!

BangtanLove · 28/12/2021 23:37

Well the last couple of days have been up and down. We are now at my in-laws with SM. DH is grumpy and stressed with the kids because he's worried about me. MIL is being amazing as she always is. They've made SM so welcome. I went out for a couple of hours last night to see my mum's cousin, who is the relative I am closest to. It was great to be able to talk properly with someone who knows what my childhood was like. Today has been nice until SM had a massive outburst this evening with me, MIL and DH. More stuff about feeling like I was taking over, that I was taking her friends away (because her friends have been texting me to check on her as she is not at home, and one is helping me with funeral arrangements). Then a whole load of stuff about her abusive childhood, no one understands, she wants to die, she has no family, she's all alone. physically pushing MIL away when she tried to hug her. So I asked DH and MIL to leave the kitchen while I calmed her down. Cue another 30 minutes of her having a panic attack and telling me how she was on the outside looking in and no one wants her. And that I shouldn't have gone out and left her last night (she has met my in laws many many times), and I shouldn't have had a nap this afternoon and left her again for all of an hour or two. Calm calm calm, stroke stroke stroke, its alright, I'm here etc etc. She calms down then is mortified, wants to apologise. I get DH and MIL, they all kiss and make up. They involve her in a board game and I've slunk upstairs to have an early night and cry into my pillow. I can't do it. This constant up and down, having to totally subjugate all my feelings in service of hers. I know there's the possibility of dementia, but honestly none of her behaviour including the mood swings is new. If anything she's a lot calmer and nicer than she used to be. But this is exactly how she has always behaved, and I have never ever not once been allowed to be honest with her about my feelings. First because if I was then my dad would have cut me off. And now because she's a vulnerable grieving old woman. I hate everything about this.

Sorry, bit of a rant. Feeling quite shit tonight.

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BangtanLove · 28/12/2021 23:38

Of course, she didn't apologise to me.

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PermanentTemporary · 29/12/2021 00:17

This sounds absolutely impossible to sustain.

Who is her GP? Can you firmly book her an appointment? She sounds as if she desperately needs medication.

BangtanLove · 29/12/2021 00:40

She has an appointment in Jan sometime. She refuses to take anxiety meds - she has been prescribed citalopram but only takes it once in a while. She thinks its like valium Hmm. She has consistently refused therapy etc for a long time. Basically her whole sense of balance and happiness rested on her role of looking after my dad. He was the only one who could manage her moods. Probs because he just let it roll off him as long as he was getting his clothes laid out in the morning. Sorry, I am just so angry right now.

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PermanentTemporary · 29/12/2021 00:43

It is so shit. I'm so sorry.

BangtanLove · 29/12/2021 00:44

I'm starting to panic about all the appointments I potentially need to sort out. I'm back to work on Tuesday and while they are v flexible I can't take the piss, and she lives 40 mins away by car (if no traffic) so not easy to be ferrying her round. Of course she lives in a fucking village and can't drive. And now she's on about wanting to move to be near her friend over 1.5 hours away, as if her elderly friend with a terminally ill husband and 4 kids, loads of grandkids, is going to be able to look after her. It's all just mad.

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PermanentTemporary · 29/12/2021 00:50

Oh God that's insane.

Could you write to her GP? They are the ones who should organise hospital transport for her. I know its not that easy but at least it signals 'help' to them.

I have to say that I doubt she'll be able to execute the move. I do sympathise though, I've been involved with my mum moving/not moving for literally 4 years, its awful and that's my dear mum. So bloody stressful even if nothing happens.

EKGEMS · 29/12/2021 00:51

You honestly have to get social services and elderly care agencies involved with her once you touch base with her doctor you can't pour out an empty bucket. You have a life and need to grieve and get on with things,

PGSTesting123 · 29/12/2021 01:05

BangtanLove

She's nobody to you.
Don't waste your time and affect your mental health on a monster that treats kids like dirt - like she did with you as a kid.

Did your Dad leave you anything?

BangtanLove · 29/12/2021 01:07

She's not a monster. I'm upset with her right now and angry at the situation. But she is a frightened, traumatised and vulnerable woman.

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BangtanLove · 29/12/2021 01:08

She's also unkind and nasty at times. But she's not a monster.

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Calamitydrayne · 29/12/2021 01:09

What exactly would happen if you stepped away, bearing in mind that this woman is nothing to do with you anyway? Perhaps it's obligation but you seem to be blurring boundaries already in taking her to your husband's family.

BangtanLove · 29/12/2021 01:14

I don't know what would happen. She would be very lost, unlikely to cope for long. Maybe she'd leave the gas on and blow her house up, her neighbours might help out and call social services, she might end up living with a succession of friends until their generosity wears out. Honestly, not a clue. She's not nothing to do with me. She's been my dad's partner for almost my entire life and she has no living relatives at all.

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Calamitydrayne · 29/12/2021 01:14

@BangtanLove

She's not a monster. I'm upset with her right now and angry at the situation. But she is a frightened, traumatised and vulnerable woman.
None of which is really your problem unless you allow it to be. I think that's part of the problem, you're too close and it's clouding your judgement. There's nothing vulnerable or helpless about the way this woman has treated you. You need firmer boundaries with toxic people otherwise you get sucked into all their drama. Your in-laws shouldn't be having this inflicted upon them either.
Vegetalienne · 29/12/2021 01:16

As a vulnerable child she was cruel to you, she told you that your dad didn’t love you, I’d say she’s a monster. And one that’s managed to convince you that you are obliged to help her. So manipulative as well as cruel.

Calamitydrayne · 29/12/2021 01:17

@BangtanLove

I don't know what would happen. She would be very lost, unlikely to cope for long. Maybe she'd leave the gas on and blow her house up, her neighbours might help out and call social services, she might end up living with a succession of friends until their generosity wears out. Honestly, not a clue. She's not nothing to do with me. She's been my dad's partner for almost my entire life and she has no living relatives at all.
Being your dad's partner (who you say has been appalling to you as long as you can remember) doesn't make her something to do with you unless you make it, which you sound determined to do.
BangtanLove · 29/12/2021 01:18

Yes I agree I definitely need to work on boundaries. Until dad died I had it all really sorted. I saw them 4-5 times per year, for celebrations. I spoke to dad on the phone every few weeks. I learned my lesson from when they let me down repeatedly when my kids were little and I was ill, and my dad refused to take my calls for several months because I'd inadvettnetly offended him. So then I just decided, I'll see you on my terms. It was all fine. This has thrown everything into disarray.

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BangtanLove · 29/12/2021 01:22

@Calamitydrayne yes I can understand why you might see it like that. Its not just me, I've had my dad's sister (who is older than him and very disabled), cousins (who all loathe her) and a lot of dad's friends all asking me if I'm going to help her or 'advising' me that I need to look after her. So I suppose I feel external pressure as well.

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PermanentTemporary · 29/12/2021 01:23

I think a really good boundary right now would be to raise the issue of hospital transport with her GP. They should book it for her appointments. She is someone who doesn't drive and has no-one available to take her (you're working and 40 minutes away - of course you're not available). That is supportive and practical to her but is about arranging appropriate support rather than providing it all yourself. It should signal to the GP that she's vulnerable as well.

BangtanLove · 29/12/2021 01:27

Yes, you're right. That's a good place to start. Once the funeral is over and I've been able to kick off the process of managing his estate and transferring everything to her (please god let probate not take too long) I think I will be better able to say, I'll help with this (finance, home help etc) and visit you on x days, and that's it. And of course I'll get a solicitor and speak to social services. Just need to get through the next few days/weeks.

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Calamitydrayne · 29/12/2021 02:12

Sadly unless you put boundaries in place to stop this woman sucking every last scrap of energy out of you, I think you're going to come out of this feeling empty and resentful.