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Dating Thread 221 - will this thread see us through 'till Christmas?

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WeWantTheFinestWines · 18/12/2021 00:18

The Rules:

  1. The first rule about the dating thread is don't talk about it with people you're dating.
  2. Develop a thick skin.
  3. Do not invest emotionally too soon.
  4. It's all BS until it actually happens.
  5. Trust your gut instinct.
  6. People vanishing, lying & being generally weird is not your fault.
  7. Know your worth.
  8. If it's not fun, stop.
  9. Loo update is mandatory.
10. No dating the thread. 11. Treat others as you'd like to be treated 12. Any relationship you have that could get ruined by having a conversation about your feelings, standards and/or expectations wasn't really stable enough to begin with 13. The things you choose to ignore/ tolerate now are the reasons you will break up in the future 14. OLD can get very time consuming. Keep doing other activities you enjoy.

Optional: Please give your irons (potential dates you are talking to) nicknames like Mr Scottish. Initials are allowed (Mr S) when you are an item

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Stayingstrongish · 20/12/2021 13:52

@thegreenestbear you’re not an idiot at all, just trusting. He’s the one that should feel stupid.

Eesha · 20/12/2021 13:56

@thegreenestbear you're no idiot at all, you were open and honest and expected the same. I would walk away with my head held high. He's an idiot.

PurpleStripyScarf · 20/12/2021 14:17

@thegreenestbear

Thank you so much everyone - I'm not clever enough on my phone to tag you all.

Some very wise words here. You are all right in what you say - he's not as committed as I am in a nutshell.

I was beating myself up thinking what else does he want. I'm secure financially, good job, no ex issues, low maintenance, kind, loving, same values and sense of humour and the sex is the best ever. What more could he realistically want?

Then I realised if he has all this on tap without any commitment on his side, then this is exactly what he wants.

Absolutely gutted - after eight years OLD I really thought I'd found someone special.

So annoyed with myself - only gave him his present on Saturday and a card saying 'to someone special'.

To those who queried me not meeting his family - I live closer to his Mum than he does, and his adult children live ten minutes away.

I've been such an idiot Angry

Hi Green, I agree with the others, this doesn't sound good at all, but totally not your fault. He's the idiot. Sorry you're going through this. Like you, I've not tended to be explicit re "having the conversation" in the past, but the dating world has changed since I was last on the scene (decades ago really!); norms have evolved/dispersed and different people's assumptions (in a relationship) may well differ - so I do think @SortingItOut 's guidance is excellent and really useful - in future it's worth pinning things down so you both know here you stand. We're for handholds Flowers
DisappearingHelen · 20/12/2021 14:37

@thegreenestbear sorry to hear about your situation. Hope you’re being nice to yourself

I had a date 0 with MrYellow yesterday. It was nice but I didn’t feel the spark but in the spirit of this thread I thought there’s no harm in giving him another go and we’ve talked about a walk over Xmas. It could fall into the friend zone if nothing else.

MrFunk is coming over tonight. Should be good but we need have at least some of the grown up chat before we get carried away. 🙂

LampLighter414 · 20/12/2021 15:07

I matched with someone on Bumble about a week ago. I found the photos on their profile quite attractive and from some of the write-up it sounded like we had some common interests.

Although they are very responsive (typically only takes a few minutes to get a message back) the entire conversation has felt largely one-sided with me asking lots of questions about them, follow-up questions to topics I have raised etc. They write quite long responses that often end up being them ranting or moaning about something e.g. asking about their job lead to a long rant about being overworked, people leaving the team, manager not being helpful in putting more tasks on them etc.

They have only asked 2 questions about me. One relating to my child and relationship/contact with my ex and when talking about work they asked what I do, but probed no further (my job title isn't impossibly vague, but I feel like unless you are in my field you probably have no clue what it truly involves) whereas I had asked quite a bit about their work.

I held back over the weekend from messaging, to see if they actually wanted to chat further - I had sent the last message. I heard nothing from them. So I then asked how their weekend was, got a rambling reply about it being frantic, asked what made it frantic to which I got "Just been busy doing a lot of things xxx". They never asked about my weekend in return or made any further attempt at conversation.

I figured I would call them out on their lack of effort in getting to know me and it very quickly turned sour. I asked if they were interested in continuing to get to know me as they don't really ask me anything about myself or even return questions I've asked back at me.

I got the following response:
^"I have just been busy doing a lot of things so I can't give people my full attention when I have things to do.

As you've asked a question about my weekend that opens a conversation about talking about each other's weekend so questions don't need to be asked in return. A question is asked by anyone and that opens a conversation about that topic so I don't have to physically ask it back

I just feel like you're being fussy and nit picking now to find excuses to unmatch with me when I will NOT be taking any crap so don't bother wasting your time coming up with excuses and saying crap about me when you don't know me and you don't know whether I'm interested or not. You don't know what's going on in my life to understand why responses are the way they are. Fact"^

There was some further messages each way. I acknowledged I don't know everything about them (and that I don't need to at this point), but said if this was their approach to messaging they are likely to find most people view them as disinterested. A bit preachy from me I guess so maybe I shouldn't have said anything. I received another long message that ended "But hey I don't need to justify this to you but if you don't want to proceed any further then do me a favour and stop trying to dispute the way I am and the way I have conversations with people as I'm not going to change for anyone. Likewise I don't expect other to change. Many people have tried to change me into a worse person so I'm not changing my conversations for anyone"

I have low self-esteem and get few matches or successful chats on dating apps so I said clearly we have different styles to conversation and maybe we would get on better in person. Anyway more to and thro where they wouldn't clearly state whether they wanted to still keep getting to know each other or not. Ultimately they said "I don't care" so I unmatched.

But I'm left quite confused and almost gaslit to a degree. Am I being unreasonable to expect 2-way effort in a conversation on dating apps? Is there anyone here who knowingly has similar views and operates their communication to this level? Basically they said as I brought up the topic of weekends, I should then be able to tell them about my weekend without them explicitly asking. It's really made me question if I'm the one who is not 'normal' in how I communicate or my expectations of others.

InABetterPlaceNow · 20/12/2021 15:16

@LampLighter414 😳 Looks like you dodged a massive bullet there!! Honestly after that first long reply I'd have blocked and not given him a second thought and have breathed a sigh of relief that he showed me who he was before I'd wasted too much time on him.

It has a absolutely no reflection on you - like you said, he knows nothing about you!!

You've said you had low self esteem - are you doing anything to help with that? I worry that OLD might feel really hard until you've done work on that. You need a really thick skin! And it's full of people looking to take advantage of other people so you need to be quite solid in yourself that you can recognise people treating you badly and be able to walk away.

I'm really angry for you!! What a twat monkey. Seriously, don't give him another thought.

InABetterPlaceNow · 20/12/2021 15:17

@LampLighter414 should have said "after that long post, if not well before I would have walked away". If someone isn't trying to get to know you equally or making an effort, what's the point!

FabulousMrFifty · 20/12/2021 15:36

@LampLighter414
Jeez, Im a man, hope I don’t come across as such a giant bell end !
Just forget and move on.

Date 0 with Ms Driver lined up for Wednesday

VanGoghsDog · 20/12/2021 16:00

@thegreenestbear

I left it with him and said if it was important to him that he kept it to let me know.

I just don't know why you'd want to be on there if you were happy with the person you're with?

We didn't have a conversation about deleting apps - foolishly I assumed we were on the same page and to be fair, up until yesterday I thought we were.

Have a horrible feeling I've spoilt things by going on about it when he clearly doesn't want to delete the profile.

Should I have just let it go?

The deal breaker for me would be him now refusing to change it.

You're not "telling him what to do", you're making a fair request given the context and he is refusing.

I'm not sure how your friend looked for him though, I've never really found away to search for specific people on Tinder, or even ensure that only ones within my parameters appear.

But anyway, after a year there's no good reason for him to be on an app, so it's time for a serious conversation. I'd walk away if he felt keeping the profile was acceptable.

Naimee87 · 20/12/2021 16:01

What a horrible human being @LampLighter414 definitely echo the previous posters in you've dodged a HUGE bullet. Can you imagine if you'd have met them in real life! No way, you 100% deserve better. I've also never understood the long drawn out messages before meeting unless of course distance/childcare issues make meeting impossible for a while after matching. I think it's always better to keep message conversation really light until you've met in person and gone on the date '0.' Then you get a sense of whether there is a connection and not just a fabricated one over messages. But move on from this weirdo...

BelladiMamma · 20/12/2021 16:22

[quote FabulousMrFifty]@LampLighter414
Jeez, Im a man, hope I don’t come across as such a giant bell end !
Just forget and move on.

Date 0 with Ms Driver lined up for Wednesday[/quote]
Didn't she come for breakfast the other day? 😊

thegreenestbear · 20/12/2021 16:40

Well, I've just been dumped by text...

Apparently he needs to be with someone who trusts him.

Eesha · 20/12/2021 16:42

@thegreenestbear meaning he preempted you were going to dump him

thegreenestbear · 20/12/2021 16:47

Hurts though - I honestly thought I'd found my one.

I can't believe it's over - we had so much in common, we got on really well.

I guess the not meeting his friends or family was quite a red flag that he wasn't in it for the long haul.

VanGoghsDog · 20/12/2021 16:52

@LampLighter414

I matched with someone on Bumble about a week ago. I found the photos on their profile quite attractive and from some of the write-up it sounded like we had some common interests.

Although they are very responsive (typically only takes a few minutes to get a message back) the entire conversation has felt largely one-sided with me asking lots of questions about them, follow-up questions to topics I have raised etc. They write quite long responses that often end up being them ranting or moaning about something e.g. asking about their job lead to a long rant about being overworked, people leaving the team, manager not being helpful in putting more tasks on them etc.

They have only asked 2 questions about me. One relating to my child and relationship/contact with my ex and when talking about work they asked what I do, but probed no further (my job title isn't impossibly vague, but I feel like unless you are in my field you probably have no clue what it truly involves) whereas I had asked quite a bit about their work.

I held back over the weekend from messaging, to see if they actually wanted to chat further - I had sent the last message. I heard nothing from them. So I then asked how their weekend was, got a rambling reply about it being frantic, asked what made it frantic to which I got "Just been busy doing a lot of things xxx". They never asked about my weekend in return or made any further attempt at conversation.

I figured I would call them out on their lack of effort in getting to know me and it very quickly turned sour. I asked if they were interested in continuing to get to know me as they don't really ask me anything about myself or even return questions I've asked back at me.

I got the following response:
^"I have just been busy doing a lot of things so I can't give people my full attention when I have things to do.

As you've asked a question about my weekend that opens a conversation about talking about each other's weekend so questions don't need to be asked in return. A question is asked by anyone and that opens a conversation about that topic so I don't have to physically ask it back

I just feel like you're being fussy and nit picking now to find excuses to unmatch with me when I will NOT be taking any crap so don't bother wasting your time coming up with excuses and saying crap about me when you don't know me and you don't know whether I'm interested or not. You don't know what's going on in my life to understand why responses are the way they are. Fact"^

There was some further messages each way. I acknowledged I don't know everything about them (and that I don't need to at this point), but said if this was their approach to messaging they are likely to find most people view them as disinterested. A bit preachy from me I guess so maybe I shouldn't have said anything. I received another long message that ended "But hey I don't need to justify this to you but if you don't want to proceed any further then do me a favour and stop trying to dispute the way I am and the way I have conversations with people as I'm not going to change for anyone. Likewise I don't expect other to change. Many people have tried to change me into a worse person so I'm not changing my conversations for anyone"

I have low self-esteem and get few matches or successful chats on dating apps so I said clearly we have different styles to conversation and maybe we would get on better in person. Anyway more to and thro where they wouldn't clearly state whether they wanted to still keep getting to know each other or not. Ultimately they said "I don't care" so I unmatched.

But I'm left quite confused and almost gaslit to a degree. Am I being unreasonable to expect 2-way effort in a conversation on dating apps? Is there anyone here who knowingly has similar views and operates their communication to this level? Basically they said as I brought up the topic of weekends, I should then be able to tell them about my weekend without them explicitly asking. It's really made me question if I'm the one who is not 'normal' in how I communicate or my expectations of others.

Another twat to return to the sea of twats. He sounds insufferable! Bullet dodged, well done.
ibelieveinmirrorballs · 20/12/2021 17:00

@thegreenestbear

Hurts though - I honestly thought I'd found my one.

I can't believe it's over - we had so much in common, we got on really well.

I guess the not meeting his friends or family was quite a red flag that he wasn't in it for the long haul.

It shows though that you were absolutely right to raise it and that he is lying when he says it’s about you not trusting him. It’s about the fact he’s been caught lying. All the facts point to that he’s active on Tinder and when this was made clear to you, he lied about it and is now claiming it’s about your lack of trust.

It’s so hard when these things happen but I’m sure you will take some learning for this and in time be pleased you took a stand and said “nope, not good enough”. Because that IS what’s happened here.

FabulousMrFifty · 20/12/2021 17:10

@BelladiMamma
Yes, and breakfast was yum yum 😋

BelladiMamma · 20/12/2021 18:10

[quote FabulousMrFifty]@BelladiMamma
Yes, and breakfast was yum yum 😋[/quote]
So maybe it's a date 0.5? 😁

SortingItOut · 20/12/2021 18:40

@thegreenestbear He wanted to get in there first hence the dumping.
Apparently he needs to be with someone who trusts him So you are supposed to believe that he is on dating sites but not doing anything🤦‍♀️
What he means is he preferred it when you were committed to him while he wasn't committed to you and while you let him do what he liked with no effort from him.

I know it doesn't feel like it right now but you are well rid.

OnwardsEverStridingOnwards · 20/12/2021 18:46

@thegreenestbear sending you lots of love ❤️

I've got a phone call with my doctor tomorrow so hoping she'll tell me what's wrong. I just feel like my body is not my body anymore. I want to tell Mr Gambit about it, but he's with his family and I don't want to intrude on that. I'd never say this to him, but sometimes I wonder why he bothers with me. ☹️

OnwardsEverStridingOnwards · 20/12/2021 18:48

.... he doesn't know about the potential arthritis.

Yellowhighheels · 20/12/2021 18:50

Does anyone know whether on Match, if you haven't actually matched, but have
messaged one another, would you come up on someone's suggested profiles still? And if they swiped left, would they show as having viewed your profile?

I was just wondering as my ex whom I met on there has shown as having viewed me several times and I was curious about whether he had actually looked, or if I had just appeared as his suggested matches. I 'liked' and messaged him, which developed into a convo, then dating for some months, but I don't think he ever 'liked' me back as I we started talking without matching first, if that makes sense.

I'm missing him and was wondering what these views are, is all!

OnwardsEverStridingOnwards · 20/12/2021 19:14

@Yellowhighheels

Does anyone know whether on Match, if you haven't actually matched, but have messaged one another, would you come up on someone's suggested profiles still? And if they swiped left, would they show as having viewed your profile?

I was just wondering as my ex whom I met on there has shown as having viewed me several times and I was curious about whether he had actually looked, or if I had just appeared as his suggested matches. I 'liked' and messaged him, which developed into a convo, then dating for some months, but I don't think he ever 'liked' me back as I we started talking without matching first, if that makes sense.

I'm missing him and was wondering what these views are, is all!

@Yellowhighheels I've been a Match member. I think he would still come up if he had his match distance enabled. Chances are he's been swiping and has been on your profile. I haven't been on there for ages though ❤️
thegreenestbear · 20/12/2021 19:19

I know it's better to have found out now, I just can't fathom what else he would have wanted.

Not saying I'm perfect by a long shot, but we were a great fit in every way. Well, apparently only I thought that though...

So do you all just jump back on the horse again? I feel I want to, for the distraction, but not sure if it's too soon?

@OnwardsEverStridingOnwards - I hope your doctor's appointment helped x

thegreenestbear · 20/12/2021 19:22

My friend put in specific parameters and up he popped.

I think you paraphrased a few threads ago you didn't want to be a member of any club that would have you, in a dating sense? I feel exactly that way!

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