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I’m 99% sure my friend’s boyfriend isn’t what he seems

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Maybeknights · 14/12/2021 20:34

Ok this is a bit of a saga but I’m constantly worrying about her and don’t know what to do. Here goes…

My friend met someone online a few years ago and they ‘dated’ for about 6 months. By dated I mean he popped over to her flat whenever he could. They never actually went out together and nobody met him. He is apparently in the army and everything he does is very secretive, he can’t take any time off so those stolen moments were all they could have. After a while my friend found this too difficult so threatened to break it off and he told her he would leave the army. He wrote his resignation letter and showed her before submitting it. Next thing she bumped into him in public at a busy tube station and went to kiss him and he pushed her away and acted like he didn’t know her… when she text to ask wtf he said his feeling had changed and that was that!!! She was REALLY sad. He never contacted her again.

Fast forward 3-4 years and she says that she’s dating him again. After 4 weeks they have said they love one another and are talking about buying a house together. My friend owns her own flat but is currently job searching after bing made redundant earlier this year. I asked her how he explained what happened last time and she was in total denial - said it never happened. He was in a bad place, ptsd, etc and wasn’t in the right space for a relationship so it ended. Now he’s all good and they’ve picked up like they were never apart…

I asked what had changed in terms of his availability and she said nothing has, but now since being alone in covid lockdown she’s willing to put up with it rather than not be with him. He’s still coming over at night a few times a week and they still haven’t been anywhere together and nobody had met him still! He has said he’ll go to her parents for Christmas Day but I 100% guarantee some kind of emergency will mean that he can’t!

On to the red flags:

  • The regiment he says he’s part of isn’t based where he says he’s based.
  • the stories he tells about what he’s been doing are totally out of line with his supposed army job. The things he’s supposedly doing are like scenes from James Bond movies and would be the responsibility of anti terror police, MI5, interpol etc. so far fetched
  • I asked if she’d be going to any Christmas balls or dinners on his arm and she said there wouldn’t be any. My friends with army husbands are going to lots of different functions
  • she said his family live up north and he’s not close to them but he has a sister who lives nearby with her two kids who he sees a lot (I’m sure this is cover for his wife and kids incase my friend sees him out with them!)
  • he can’t book any time off work
  • he smothers her with compliments and platitudes and I think he’s just making her drop her guard completely so she’ll do anything he says
  • he won’t have his photo taken. She doesn’t have a single photo of him apart from the one from his original dating profile

I’m really worried if I ask too many questions or act too suspicious she’ll start keeping secrets from me but I feel like I need to keep a close eye on this! What would you do? I also think she’s so deeply in love that if I ever speak against him it would deeply threaten our friendship. When she told me about being back with him she was almost manic. It didn’t sound like her speaking at all. It had only be 4 weeks and she started talking about weddings and things.

During lockdown she was suffering from really bad anxiety and depression and was incredibly lonely. I really fear he could break her heart and push her over the edge. She’s even said now that she doesn’t want to look for a new job or will look for something exclusively from home so she can be around when he’s available…

Am I just be super suspicious? And what would you do?!

OP posts:
monotonousmum · 15/12/2021 10:13

This sounds so familiar, happened to a friend of mine. I raised my concerns with her and it didn't go down well. So I kept quiet and waited.
I would have put money on married, but it was actually worse. There were A LOT of women involved and he turned very nasty.
I never met him - there was always 'legitimate' reasons for last second cancellations. He let her down so much. From the outside its hard to see someone being taken in by it. They also met online.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same person. But there's no way I can share details in case there was any way he could find her.

GrannytoaUnicorn · 15/12/2021 10:14

@Maybeknights Please just send her the link to the thread... Perhaps hundreds of people all seeing this for what it clearly is, might do it? Even if she reacts by lashing out, she will still read it (curiosity) and it will still plant a seed of doubt in her mind 🌱

ZenNudist · 15/12/2021 10:14

You have to tell her what you think. She won't listen to you and push you away but at least it will be out there. Make it clear she shouldn't sell her house, lend him money or threaten her own security. Suggest she meets the sister to check its not a cover story for wife and kids. Tell her if he wants to be with her he will introduce her to friends and family and take her places. She us being used. Write it all down if you have to. Tell her you care about her and want her to be happy.

Deep down she knows this isn't working. Voice her fears and deal with the flak. It's the kinder choice.

Clovacloud · 15/12/2021 10:17

We have a relative who’s fallen for some crap like this. Apparently she lives in a different country, when she came to visit him, she couldn’t get on the plane because they found heroin in her bag which according to her had been planted in her luggage - all 7.5kg! Hmm. And could he pay the €3.5k fine? Like you wouldn’t get arrested and imprisoned for that amount of Class A drugs.

Basically she’s not real and doesn’t exist, we told him this at the time and 8 months on he’s still ‘dating’ her online and has cut us all off from talking about it. God knows how much money he’s sent her but we reckon it must be a few thousand now.

Problem you have is your friend has actually met her scammer, so that must just re-enforce her belief it’s a real relationship. Apart from saying what you really think and trying to get her to check him out properly (Clare’s Law might show he doesn’t exist or he has a record?) there is nothing you can do. It’s beyond frustrating to watch someone throw everything away on someone who is such an obvious scammer.

Angrymum22 · 15/12/2021 10:18

I have a friend who has a desk job at GCHQ. When I first met him ( our sons play sport together) I asked him what he did and he gave me his cover story. But when I had known him a while he was more open about where he works.
I’ve known someone in special forces for years and he has never kept it a secret but he never talks about anything that would compromise his families or his security. I have seen the scare from when he was shot.
And the only MI5 operative I know, again, was discreet but we all knew he was a spy.
The difference is that they do not hold court or brag about it. Unless you had known them for years you would never have know they are doing anything other than a normal job. In fact most people don’t volunteer their occupation unless you ask or someone else tells you. For me it’s always a red flag when someone makes a big deal about their “job”.

Angrymum22 · 15/12/2021 10:21

It sounds a bit weird re seeing his scar. We were all very drunk and very young. A bit of you show me yours and I’ll show you mine.

Bookworm20 · 15/12/2021 10:23

Have you met him? I guess if he turns up randomly and at short notice theres no chance of asking your friend you'd like them both over for drinks or anything? If you could at least get a picture of him, try and take one if you ever get to meet him. Or even his car registration number may be a lead and a step to finding out his actual name, if hes used a fake one.

From what you've put it sounds dodgy as hell.

Can you say the area? There may be someone here on MN who lives nearby and wouldn't mind helping with the stake out?

rooarsome · 15/12/2021 10:24

Sounds like the guy from Mary T. Thomson's book! You're right to be concerned OP. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the "sister" and children are actually his family

BertramLacey · 15/12/2021 10:25

I don't agree . If you know what you are doing then it is amazing what you can find in tandem with a few more sites out there

Oh I know what I'm doing. But A. this person might not even exist and B. if he does, he's lying. And he may well be a clever enough liar that he's taken on someone else's identity. So you could find information and you could think you're right but it would all be irrelevant because what you would find out would just be lies, or happen to fit with his lies. And say you do find a marriage certificate? Do you really think he wouldn't have a plausible lie to get out of it?

Even if you could use genealogy sites to find out more about him, facts are not going to persuade the OP's friend at this point. And I've seen too many people, who probably do think they know what they're doing, chasing down the wrong leads on those sites to think it's worth spending any time on it at all.

Punfreeusername · 15/12/2021 10:26

Well, he's obviously married to this woman he claims is his sister.

She will know this. Nobody is that gullible or stupid these days. The ' James Bond' stuff is as old the hills as a cover story.

Basically she is guilty and ashamed of being the other woman, but loves the attention and the sex and doesn't want to give it up.

All you can do is state that you know what the deal is, and that you don't agree with it ( if you don't ), and that you don't want to hear anymore about it.

You could also give her something to think about by saying that when she is homeless and penniless, she won't be borrowing off you or staying with you.

In fairness, he doesn't sound particularly like a financial conman.. just a married emotional one.

Flowers500 · 15/12/2021 10:33

@BertramLacey

I don't agree . If you know what you are doing then it is amazing what you can find in tandem with a few more sites out there

Oh I know what I'm doing. But A. this person might not even exist and B. if he does, he's lying. And he may well be a clever enough liar that he's taken on someone else's identity. So you could find information and you could think you're right but it would all be irrelevant because what you would find out would just be lies, or happen to fit with his lies. And say you do find a marriage certificate? Do you really think he wouldn't have a plausible lie to get out of it?

Even if you could use genealogy sites to find out more about him, facts are not going to persuade the OP's friend at this point. And I've seen too many people, who probably do think they know what they're doing, chasing down the wrong leads on those sites to think it's worth spending any time on it at all.

the main thing from this would be finding out details about his family and wife, so they could be tracked down on social media. Or to show that nobody of that name and birth date exists, so he's lying. It's one tool of many
PussGirl · 15/12/2021 10:37

Obviously a faker - shame she can't see it Sad

FreedomFaith · 15/12/2021 10:39

He's likely married, possibly not even part of the army, but if he is, affairs are fairly standard amongst many men in there.

Nothing you can do though. She is pretending none of the previous shit happened deliberately. That's her problem, you can't force her to see sense. She doesn't want to, she wants love in any form.

Just be there to support her when it goes tits up again.

LadyRoughDiamond · 15/12/2021 10:41

I’d be combing social media and looking for him, but also friends in common/people he knows in case he’s using a different name. If you have a name, surname and general area in which he says he lives you may be able to get some info through 192.com. Also search on the Companies House website - failed directorships, business dealings, insolvent companies all come up.

Chowwow · 15/12/2021 10:41

Oh God, how awful, he does sound absolutely a scammer.
I think you need to sit down with her and explain to her that she has been sucked into a web of lies. Your poor, poor friend is very lonely and so her rational sense is all haywire.
She needs taking out regularly to meet others, maybe you could help like that? I think she has lost touch with reality.
I suppose you could talk to your local Police for advice, as this sort of thing can get worse. I know a very unwell vulnerable lady who has become attached to a local handyman and he has caused all sorts of troouble and even interfered with her personal financial affairs.
It's very tricky.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 15/12/2021 10:47

He's an out and out liar.
Red flags a-gogo.
I'd also assume he's married with kids and that's why all the secrecy - but if he's a very practised liar, he'll be good at making her doubt her own sanity and logic, and will have all sorts of reasons why he's genuine.

In fact he sounds very similar to an ex of mine, who genuinely was ex-army (I knew his family) but who was also a pathological liar.

user1471538283 · 15/12/2021 10:53

I would have to follow him and talk to her about it.

Like many have already said, those involved with specialist missions never mention it, they cannot. My DF was in the military and whilst we knew he was deployed for periods without us I didn't know why until he was retired. All specialist missions are underpinned by their families being safe and not involved.

He is at least married. I would be worried that she sells her flat and then finds out being with him is never going to happen so she will have to financially unpick it all. I would encourage her to find work, she cannot sit around on her own all day on the off chance he will turn up and it will wreck her mental health.

I do not understand why people do this.

Lovemusic33 · 15/12/2021 10:55

You can find out a lot online. That’s how I found out about the guy I was dating, I managed to find out his army ranking, what area he worked in (he was quite high ranking) and I found out the address he was registered at (to vote), he was registered as living with his wife.

God, that makes me sound like a stalker 😬

Flipflopblowout · 15/12/2021 11:06

He is a Walter Mitty and your friend is being scammed.

TrueGrit54 · 15/12/2021 11:07

Hi OP, haven’t read whole thread but family member is genuinely in the area you are describing (army intelligence), quite high up and behaves completely normally, none of the stuff your friend described. My big worry is he gets his hands on her money as well as her heart. I honestly would say straight to her face that you think he’s a con man, probably married.

limitedperiodonly · 15/12/2021 11:10

Drop her. It’s easier in the long run. She knows he’s lying and that he is married with two kids by his “sister” and using this Army story that wouldn’t fool a child as cover.

She just doesn’t want to see it. I don’t know why and it’s not worth exploring the reasons and counting the red flags. Just know that you have wasted time and energy trying to make her see the light and will continue to do so.

Besides using her for sex he will be taking her money on a casual basis like his wallet always being in his other jacket when it’s time to pay the Deliveroo driver – why am I not surprised they never go out? He might also be setting her up for a larger theft or fraud. The only thing that will save her from a major financial disaster would be if she didn’t have much money in cash or easily convertible assets like owning her house outright, savings or being able to become a guarantor for a bank loan for his business venture. Then he’ll be preying on some other woman for that.

You sound like a very nice person and we all want to help our friends and hope they will be around for us at moments of sadness or to hold our hand when we do silly things. But this woman is not your friend. Is she ever there for you in a major way? Or are you the kind of person who is far too sensible (and boring) to get yourself into pickles so don’t need help but can always lend an endless listening ear without unsettling questions? She is undoubtedly fucked up but it is not your job to fix her and prop up her delusions.

In fact she is just as much a user as this man. She is using your concern to make herself feel special and loved and superior to you and the rest of us who are too dull to have these grand passions. She has already drawn you into her drama and will suck you dry while quite probably laughing behind your back in the good times with him.

Meanwhile he knows you have seen right through him because she’ll have raised some of your doubts in a palatable way. I guarantee he’ll have told her you are crazy and jealous. Deep down he’ll be thinking: “That was a close one but thank God she’s too stupid to listen to XXX.”

I know this because just over 30 years ago I had a “friend” (A) like this. We met through A’s cousin B who I was good friends with. A was great but had terrible luck with men. She was always meeting the wrong guy. They worked so hard they could never go out with her – apart from the first time they met.

They’d always turn up at her door – sometimes in jogging gear at 7am – for snatched sex. It was so romantic. One of them was a spy which was why he ignored her on a chance meeting in public when he was with another woman. Yes, she really told me that.

Of course B and I and everyone else knew the men were married or in a long term relationship. Two of them had kids but they were separated and the ex was a crazy bitch who couldn’t accept it was over. Possibly a third one did too but he didn’t stick around long enough for me and cousin B to find out.

A didn’t have the long relationship with any of them that your friend has going with this bloke. The one thing that could be said in A’s favour was that she didn’t just sit at home pining – well not all of the time. She used to go out with us and have fun but she always used to meet blokes like this. There were five in the three years I knew her and because none of us had serious boyfriends in our 20s it was normal to date men sporadically. We were all having fun. I liked two of them because they actually took her out and we’d sometimes meet as a group of friends – just not friends who had any connection to their other lives.

These two didn’t lie – they just didn’t tell the whole truth. It was plain for anyone to see but as long as they weren’t my boyfriends and she was happy and they were good company it was none of my business.

But three of them were shits. I broke off my friendship with her over the third one’s behaviour towards me at a party. I think he thought I was asking too many questions. At that point I didn’t give a shit what she did and was making normal chit-chat like: “How did you meet? What do you do? Where do you live? I didn’t want his postcode I was just making conversation. In fact he was boring and old and I couldn’t understand what my friend B was doing with him. I suspect she thought he had money. I am sure the feeling was mutual.

In my next phone call with B she brought up the fact that her latest guy was worried I didn’t like him. People like him are always like that. It’s always you and not them.

I remembered all the late night phone calls when it went wrong she’d cry and plead: “But why doesn’t he wuv me, Limited?” She was 28 and said wuv instead of love. I knew she didn’t want to hear the truth so it just went on and on. This time I decided it had to end and spent time with better friends instead.

Four years ago Cousin B got in touch over Facebook. I asked about A and she was vague. Cousin B has decided to move on too.

This forum is usually about relationships with men. But we have other relationships too – with family and with friends. Sometimes they are not worth having.

limitedperiodonly · 15/12/2021 11:24

Sorry that should have read "in my next phone call with A". At that point her cousin B and I never talked about her romantic dramas. B has always been the sensible type too.

lockdownalli · 15/12/2021 11:34

Scenario A: He's married and taking your friend for a ride/potential scam.

Scenario B: She made him up. I know this sounds even more odd, but someone I know did this when her MH was very low.

Either way, all you can do is be there for her. Would she cut you off if you said "mate, he's obviously married, why are you pretending this is legit?"

Dontforgetyourbrolly · 15/12/2021 11:39

well , I doubt your friend is so stupid that she believes all these stories , even if she tells you she does . She is probably needy to the point that she will take him back any which way , for whatever reason .
As hard as it is , you need to back off and just be there to pick up the pieces .
She's an adult and will make her own mistakes , nothing you will say will make her believe you over him , for your own peace of mind stop investing yourself in this .

LowlandsAway · 15/12/2021 11:46

Oh no, this poor woman.

I know someone in military counterterrorism and he’s terribly normal - v discreet obviously but he has a perfectly average public-facing relationship. This one is a Scammer, married, unhinged fantasist or all three - none of the options are good ones :(