Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

I’m 99% sure my friend’s boyfriend isn’t what he seems

548 replies

Maybeknights · 14/12/2021 20:34

Ok this is a bit of a saga but I’m constantly worrying about her and don’t know what to do. Here goes…

My friend met someone online a few years ago and they ‘dated’ for about 6 months. By dated I mean he popped over to her flat whenever he could. They never actually went out together and nobody met him. He is apparently in the army and everything he does is very secretive, he can’t take any time off so those stolen moments were all they could have. After a while my friend found this too difficult so threatened to break it off and he told her he would leave the army. He wrote his resignation letter and showed her before submitting it. Next thing she bumped into him in public at a busy tube station and went to kiss him and he pushed her away and acted like he didn’t know her… when she text to ask wtf he said his feeling had changed and that was that!!! She was REALLY sad. He never contacted her again.

Fast forward 3-4 years and she says that she’s dating him again. After 4 weeks they have said they love one another and are talking about buying a house together. My friend owns her own flat but is currently job searching after bing made redundant earlier this year. I asked her how he explained what happened last time and she was in total denial - said it never happened. He was in a bad place, ptsd, etc and wasn’t in the right space for a relationship so it ended. Now he’s all good and they’ve picked up like they were never apart…

I asked what had changed in terms of his availability and she said nothing has, but now since being alone in covid lockdown she’s willing to put up with it rather than not be with him. He’s still coming over at night a few times a week and they still haven’t been anywhere together and nobody had met him still! He has said he’ll go to her parents for Christmas Day but I 100% guarantee some kind of emergency will mean that he can’t!

On to the red flags:

  • The regiment he says he’s part of isn’t based where he says he’s based.
  • the stories he tells about what he’s been doing are totally out of line with his supposed army job. The things he’s supposedly doing are like scenes from James Bond movies and would be the responsibility of anti terror police, MI5, interpol etc. so far fetched
  • I asked if she’d be going to any Christmas balls or dinners on his arm and she said there wouldn’t be any. My friends with army husbands are going to lots of different functions
  • she said his family live up north and he’s not close to them but he has a sister who lives nearby with her two kids who he sees a lot (I’m sure this is cover for his wife and kids incase my friend sees him out with them!)
  • he can’t book any time off work
  • he smothers her with compliments and platitudes and I think he’s just making her drop her guard completely so she’ll do anything he says
  • he won’t have his photo taken. She doesn’t have a single photo of him apart from the one from his original dating profile

I’m really worried if I ask too many questions or act too suspicious she’ll start keeping secrets from me but I feel like I need to keep a close eye on this! What would you do? I also think she’s so deeply in love that if I ever speak against him it would deeply threaten our friendship. When she told me about being back with him she was almost manic. It didn’t sound like her speaking at all. It had only be 4 weeks and she started talking about weddings and things.

During lockdown she was suffering from really bad anxiety and depression and was incredibly lonely. I really fear he could break her heart and push her over the edge. She’s even said now that she doesn’t want to look for a new job or will look for something exclusively from home so she can be around when he’s available…

Am I just be super suspicious? And what would you do?!

OP posts:
Supermum29 · 16/12/2021 19:03

In the interest of your friends safety it might be worth trying to do a check under Clare’s law. My friend met someone online and their relationship was very intense very quickly but all a bit secretive, he was physically and emotionally abusive when she eventually went to the police she found he had quite a large history of domestic violence. He tried to stab my friend and she had a very lucky escape

Spaceshiphaslanded · 16/12/2021 19:04

OP have you met him?
I ask, as whilst it’s likely he’s got a double life, it very well could be your friend making it up if she is unstable.

Seahorsemama · 16/12/2021 19:06

@TooWicked

Honestly, if this was a very good friend of mine and I was as worried as you seem to be, I'd stake out her flat and follow him home to where he lives with his wife and children one evening after he's visited and then take it from there.
Exactly that! I’d stalk and follow him to gather the evidence. Good luck OP
starlight13 · 16/12/2021 19:10

He's absolutely married with children.

You are going to have to follow him and take photos for your friend's sake.

BertramLacey · 16/12/2021 19:13

Also worth noting re: the social media searching, 192, Google searching, ancestry sites etc his name is just too common. It brings up far too many results to be able to even have a stab. Very frustrating. Also the possibility of a false name and wasted effort!

I suspect it's at least in part a false name and deliberately chosen because it's so common. But a search on dating sites might be worth a go, if you know what he looks like from that one photo. If you found him on a dating site you could cat fish him to collect more info. And evidence that he is cheating on her might be the one thing that would help her ditch him.

limitedperiodonly · 16/12/2021 19:28

Why are people suggesting you follow him and take photos or look him up on the internet? She knows the truth but doesn't want to acknowledge it and certainly doesn't want you pointing it out.

I would have dropped her ages ago but if you really want to remain friends then let her get on with it and try not to say "I told you so" when it all goes wrong. Otherwise she might drop you.

liveforsummer · 16/12/2021 19:28

I very much doubt he's giving his real name. And the army excuse is such a common one. Not sure anything you say at this point will help your firmed open her eyes. You might just need to be prepared to be there when it falls apart

justhavingmysay · 16/12/2021 19:28

Her story is so similar to mine, I am 100% sure he is a liar. I met my liar years ago when I was single. He reckoned he was in the SAS and was called up on secret missions, this is why he was always away. He knew loads about the SAS and was totally convincing, he even showed me pictures of himself in SAS. I fell for it hook line and sinker, then for some reason I got suspicious as things didnt ring true so I decided to check him out. I knew his name and date of birth so looked his birth up and sent for his birth certificate. Luckily he had a fairly unusual surname and I knew he was from Newmarket. He had said that his father was a barrister, funny thing is on his birth certificate it said fathers job was a flagger. I then found an entry for his marriage (SAS man) and sent for that certificate, on it was his profession it said Electrician. I looked him up on electoral register and there he was living with his wife and daughter, he had been there for 10 years at least. I then went to the address and waited until he came out of the house and followed him, turns out he was driving a taxi. When I confronted him with my findings he tried to say it was his cover for SAS, and the woman he was living with was his sister. Total Walter Mitty character. I honestly think he believed it himself his lies were so good. I got out fast.

Scottsy100 · 16/12/2021 19:29

He is 100% married and has a family elsewhere for sure, soooo dodgy

CoolMamma · 16/12/2021 19:30

Google search his picture.. and find out which online site she met him on. If you can find the image and site you could set up a profile on said site and check him out yourself …

Scottsy100 · 16/12/2021 19:34

Please urge her to check for info under Clare’s Law

riceuten · 16/12/2021 19:37

Married man, kids, wife, car, boring office/sales job, Walter Mitty character. "Travels a lot for work".

He will probably have a "financial crisis" for which he needs a "temporary loan" as well.

Be there for her when it all falls apart, but there's little or no mileage in prising her away from this character.

murakamilove · 16/12/2021 19:41

Follow him & find out?

Bunchymcbunchface · 16/12/2021 19:46

He’s married. I’d be following him and getting photos of him, doing reverse image look up on his dating profile picture. Searching fb by his mobile number.
Trying to get his real name (if you can follow him to an address, that’s easy to find - then 192 him online)
And that’s just for starters

Allycott · 16/12/2021 19:48

@limitedperiodonly

Drop her. It’s easier in the long run. She knows he’s lying and that he is married with two kids by his “sister” and using this Army story that wouldn’t fool a child as cover.

She just doesn’t want to see it. I don’t know why and it’s not worth exploring the reasons and counting the red flags. Just know that you have wasted time and energy trying to make her see the light and will continue to do so.

Besides using her for sex he will be taking her money on a casual basis like his wallet always being in his other jacket when it’s time to pay the Deliveroo driver – why am I not surprised they never go out? He might also be setting her up for a larger theft or fraud. The only thing that will save her from a major financial disaster would be if she didn’t have much money in cash or easily convertible assets like owning her house outright, savings or being able to become a guarantor for a bank loan for his business venture. Then he’ll be preying on some other woman for that.

You sound like a very nice person and we all want to help our friends and hope they will be around for us at moments of sadness or to hold our hand when we do silly things. But this woman is not your friend. Is she ever there for you in a major way? Or are you the kind of person who is far too sensible (and boring) to get yourself into pickles so don’t need help but can always lend an endless listening ear without unsettling questions? She is undoubtedly fucked up but it is not your job to fix her and prop up her delusions.

In fact she is just as much a user as this man. She is using your concern to make herself feel special and loved and superior to you and the rest of us who are too dull to have these grand passions. She has already drawn you into her drama and will suck you dry while quite probably laughing behind your back in the good times with him.

Meanwhile he knows you have seen right through him because she’ll have raised some of your doubts in a palatable way. I guarantee he’ll have told her you are crazy and jealous. Deep down he’ll be thinking: “That was a close one but thank God she’s too stupid to listen to XXX.”

I know this because just over 30 years ago I had a “friend” (A) like this. We met through A’s cousin B who I was good friends with. A was great but had terrible luck with men. She was always meeting the wrong guy. They worked so hard they could never go out with her – apart from the first time they met.

They’d always turn up at her door – sometimes in jogging gear at 7am – for snatched sex. It was so romantic. One of them was a spy which was why he ignored her on a chance meeting in public when he was with another woman. Yes, she really told me that.

Of course B and I and everyone else knew the men were married or in a long term relationship. Two of them had kids but they were separated and the ex was a crazy bitch who couldn’t accept it was over. Possibly a third one did too but he didn’t stick around long enough for me and cousin B to find out.

A didn’t have the long relationship with any of them that your friend has going with this bloke. The one thing that could be said in A’s favour was that she didn’t just sit at home pining – well not all of the time. She used to go out with us and have fun but she always used to meet blokes like this. There were five in the three years I knew her and because none of us had serious boyfriends in our 20s it was normal to date men sporadically. We were all having fun. I liked two of them because they actually took her out and we’d sometimes meet as a group of friends – just not friends who had any connection to their other lives.

These two didn’t lie – they just didn’t tell the whole truth. It was plain for anyone to see but as long as they weren’t my boyfriends and she was happy and they were good company it was none of my business.

But three of them were shits. I broke off my friendship with her over the third one’s behaviour towards me at a party. I think he thought I was asking too many questions. At that point I didn’t give a shit what she did and was making normal chit-chat like: “How did you meet? What do you do? Where do you live? I didn’t want his postcode I was just making conversation. In fact he was boring and old and I couldn’t understand what my friend B was doing with him. I suspect she thought he had money. I am sure the feeling was mutual.

In my next phone call with B she brought up the fact that her latest guy was worried I didn’t like him. People like him are always like that. It’s always you and not them.

I remembered all the late night phone calls when it went wrong she’d cry and plead: “But why doesn’t he wuv me, Limited?” She was 28 and said wuv instead of love. I knew she didn’t want to hear the truth so it just went on and on. This time I decided it had to end and spent time with better friends instead.

Four years ago Cousin B got in touch over Facebook. I asked about A and she was vague. Cousin B has decided to move on too.

This forum is usually about relationships with men. But we have other relationships too – with family and with friends. Sometimes they are not worth having.

You talk a lot of sense. I hadn't thought of it like this. Very enlightening.
TheRemotePart · 16/12/2021 19:52

Look OP, she doesn’t want to know.
There’s no use in you “stalking “ him or presenting her with information cos she’s not going to listen and you’re going to end up the bad guy.
Like every other woman who done her friends heads in with awful blokes .
You can’t change her mind/feelings
The only thing you have control of us your response to her : do you constantly red flag her and get nowhere? You end up pissed off and upset and she’ll go back to him anyways?
Or can you just say : I think he’s full of shit, so if your going to insist on continuing this- please don’t keep moaning to me , as I’ve told you my thoughts.

Merryweather80 · 16/12/2021 20:04

Confession time: about 7/8 years ago I met a man in a club, who was based at a Hereford base. That was true, what I didn't know was that he had a wife and kids who he was in the process of leaving and moving into single person occupancy accommodation at the base. We saw a bit of each other until he announced he was moving bases- to do a different job within the army. Again that bit was true. What I didn’t know is that he was moving into married quarters at the new base to give things another go with his wife- he missed his kids.
Shock for me when I found out, and no his marriage didn’t last. They are now divorced and rarely see’s his kids.
That army base move was so that he could start training with the SAS. Apparently.
Yes, I was suffering from low self esteem/ self worth, if I had known about the wife/kids I would have never been involved with him at all.
Apparently, a lot of squaddies have old profiles and do similar. A wife and kids in one location and a bit on the side somewhere else.

Mummabug18 · 16/12/2021 20:17

DO NOT FOLLOW HIM.

If she hasn't worked out that he's full of shit for herself already, she won't by force. You could get video evidence and she will likely fall for whatever excuses he gives her.

You could speak to her but, for all the good it will do, I wouldn't waste my time. Just be honest about being dubious and there for her when it falls apart, be it a week or a wedding and 2 kids later. NOBODY wants I told you so's.

You're a good friend just for being concerned 🥰

nancybotwinbloom · 16/12/2021 20:19

Has he got social media. So what they do on catfish. Reverse search any photos of him.

smilingontheinside · 16/12/2021 20:27

Haven't read the whole thread so someone may have already said same as me he's married/got a family. I had one like this but cottoned on early and asked him outright then told him to do one.

twinmum2007 · 16/12/2021 20:28

He's married.

Foxylass · 16/12/2021 20:43

If she used your phone to stay in touch with him, when she lost her phone. Do you have his contact details in your phone?

I don't know what to suggest you do with those details.
Maybe conceal your number and ring him to do a marketplace survey? Get info? Is that even a thing?
Google the number, see what comes up?

BertramLacey · 16/12/2021 20:47

Haven't read the whole thread so someone may have already said same as me he's married/got a family.

It's odd but actually no, after two days and 300 posts, no-one else had thought of that.

BooneyBeautiful · 16/12/2021 20:50

@boomboomshakalakalakaboom

I agree he's probably married. Another take is that if no one at all has ever seen the guy, and she's saying she's not allowed to take photos etc, and her MH is poor at times.... are you sure he's even real?
That's just what I was thinking.
impossible · 16/12/2021 20:52

I've no suggestions, though lots of good ones on this thread, but just wanted to say what a very good friend you are. Hang on in there.