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I don't think I will be allowed to see my new grandchild.

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Chopinandchampagne · 13/12/2021 00:27

Some of you may remember my previous threads regarding my relationship with my daughter and SIL.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/4145356-SIL-and-money-issues?msgid=109152806#109152806

It has been a difficult year, following the death of DH, with lots of firsts to get through, but I have just about survived, with a lot of support from DD2 and DD3, DH's family and friends. And, earlier in the year, DD1 told me she was expecting DGS1 in early January. This time she told me very shortly after the pregnancy was confirmed, and was clearly thrilled saying that 'new life' was coming after DH's death. She was delighted to find out that the baby is a boy, as SIL particularly wanted a son, after two daughters.

I had thought that, if there were any positives from DH's death - and it is hard to think of any, as I loved him so much - the family might be reconciled and healed. And I was very happy to hear about the baby, although a bit concerned, given the two previous emergency C sections (although I kept my concerns to myself).

DD1 has now moved to Ireland, having purchased a small holding with her inheritance from DH's aunt, as DH drafted his aunt's will so that his share would go to his DC if he were to predecease her. DD1 had sent me photos of the new property, says how much they love it over there, it feels 'so right' etc. They went for about a month and have now returned to the UK for the birth. I thought all was fine with my relationship with DD1, we were having natural conversations, FaceTimes with DGD1 and DGD2, ending conversations with 'I love you; etc.

I had enjoyed picking out some Christmas presents, which I thought they would enjoy. With the DGDs, I have sent presents which I knew they would appreciate, for DD1 some cashmere hat, gloves, scarf etc, and socks for baby, as I know it will be cold on the small holding, but also a food hamper, chocolates and candles sent jointly to DD1 and SIL, saying with love from Mum etc.

I spoke to DD1 on Friday and I could tell that there was something wrong, as she seemed more tense, less relaxed. She started by saying that she thought I should claim a refund for the hamper, that I had wasted my money, as the ham was too dry and not as good as supermarket ham. I thanked her for letting me know and said I would do so. She said the chocolates had too many additives, so they couldn't eat them (I had chosen dairy and soy free ones, as DGD1 had an allergy to dairy), so I said fine, just regift or donate them. They are generally happy with the DGC's toys, although I shouldn't send anything else. I said I understood, and was conscious that they wouldn't want too much stuff to take back to Ireland.

Then I asked her about how she was feeling and how the 36 week scan had gone. It seems that the baby is small (10th percentile), although appears healthy, but she is very worried about the birth, which is understandable, given the history. She wants a natural birth and is terrified of intervention. She thinks some of the medical staff are horrible and referred to one who asked her last time if she wanted a dead baby on her conscience, after she refused medical advice to have an elective C section. I made reassuring comments. She also said that she might not tell anyone when she went into labour as she didn't want to worry anyone, such as SIL's grandparents (last time she sent me messages before the birth and we spoke afterwards).

We then had a discussion about Ireland. They have run into some problems to do with the Forestry/Agricultural Commission which are preventing them from obtaining a felling licence and flock number, which they need to purchase animals. It seems that not all of the land has been conveyed to them and they have fallen out with the solicitor, whom they feel has been negligent. SIL spent a long time composing a letter and was angry when he only received a brief reply from the solicitor.

Anyway, after all that, I said that I and her sisters were looking forward to seeing the baby, especially after not seeing DGD1 as a baby, and DGD2 because of lockdown. She went a bit quiet and was non committal just saying Mmm, we'll see, I need to have the baby first. I pressed the point and she said 'SIL is my husband'. I said 'Yes, I know'. She said that I had tried to make her feel guilty over her treatment of DH and that she didn't feel guilty. She repeated this and then said that I had said that I was going to write SIL a letter in the summer and that it might now be too late. I was genuinely taken aback by this.

For context, before I visited in the summer, we had a heated conversation where I said that she had hurt DH (and me) by not telling him about the birth of DGD1 for 14 months or her marriage and by moving without telling us. I admit I was angry as I felt that DH had been cheated of precious time with his granddaughter, although I said that I knew she hadn't known that he was going to die. I said that I thought that she had been emotionally abusive in 'ghosting' us and I didn't want to form an attachment to my DGCs if there was a risk of it happening again. It would just be too painful. It made me afraid of loving them as I would wish to. DD1 had referred then to the incident, some years before, where I had made SIL leave my house (they weren't married then), as I felt he was bullying her. I said that it was all a long time ago and that 'Dad didn't do anything wrong, did he?', to which she replied 'No'. She said that SIL had told her not to be in contact.

I subsequently said, in another conversation, that I had been angry, but that I wasn't any longer, and that it would be nice if we could go out to lunch together, just the two of us, when I visited, and to start rebuilding our relationship. I duly visited, had what I thought was a very pleasant day with the family at a local attraction, then lunch with DD1 then next day. I said I thought that the previous day had gone well and she said that SIL had told her that he did not want me to visit too often (this was the first time I had visited since DH's funeral). I said that I was sorry to hear this and was there some way of resolving matters; that the 'incident' was all a long time ago, that it was time to move on, and that DH's death put disagreements into context. She said maybe I should say that to SIL and it was him I should be taking out or talking to. I said I would be happy to talk to him, but I doubted that he would want to go out with me, maybe I should write him a letter. So I floated the idea of a letter in a private conversation with DD1, but did not say that I was definitely going to write one and, upon reflection, I thought that it might be too much of a hostage to fortune.

During this lunch, which was mostly pleasant, and focusing on neutral topics, DD1 repeated again that she had cut us off because SIL had told her to, that she had had to choose and would always choose SIL. I said that I had made SIL leave my house on that occasion because I was trying to protect her, especially given her previous abusive relationship. She said she had not told SIL about this ie the previous relationship and she was not sure if she would behave in the same way as I did. She said she appreciated that I did not know that she would marry SIL at the time. I said that I understood that, in the final analysis, she would and should put her family first, but I thought she should also have some loyalty to her original family. After that, we returned to everyday topics and I thought we had both had a pleasant lunch, 'cleared the air', and that we were moving forward in rebuilding our relationship. However, it seems I was wrong.

When we returned to the house after lunch (for me to call a taxi back to the hotel), SIL went off to his workshop without speaking to me or saying goodbye. I went to the workshop and said goodbye and gave him a hug. I found it a gruelling trip without DH but went away thinking it had gone well.

Anyway, back to the present, I was blindsided by DD1's comments in the conversation to the effect that I should have written a letter and that it might be 'too late'. I said what did she think I should say in the letter. I said that it was all so long ago, that I had apologised to SIL, that we had met since then at DD1's 21st, that he had said we were 'ok'.DD1 said she didn't want anything that would upset her after the birth. I said that I would never do anything to upset her after the birth. I said that I was nice to SIL, praised him for his DIY skills and as a father, that I behaved in a civilised fashion, sent him cards and gifts, what more could I do, I couldn't make him like me. At this stage DD1 was clearly agitated and said she had to go and that she would speak to me another time. I said 'Alright darling, good bye'.

So I feel both devastated and empty at the same time. I had thought, after the most hellish two years, when I had to watch my beloved DH die and then lose his aunt, whom I was close to. When, more recently, my MIL nearly died, my sister in law has had major surgery, and I have lost one of my closest friends (the funeral is this week), I had thought that I had just about survived. I keep giving myself a talking to, saying come on, just one more step forward, nearly there, nearly the end of the year. And now this.

I apologise for the length of this post, but I would be grateful for any advice as to how handle the situation. Part of just feels like giving up, but I obviously don't want to lose DD1 again, and I am worried about the birth of DGS and would have wanted to be a support, not an aggravating factor.

OP posts:
Billybagpuss · 04/02/2022 09:32

@ImJustMadAboutSaffron

This is so long I can't trawl (no pun intended) through it, but why is the guy called Lobster Boy? I'm curious.
The very first thread where @chopin took them out for dinner and he ordered lobster as the most expensive item on the menu whilst having an unpleasant and ungracious attitude the whole time.
RachelGreeneGreep · 04/02/2022 09:51

@ESGdance

Please don’t ask DD to visit - this is a HUGE learning opportunity for her.

Let HER sit in the discomfort.

Please don’t ask if the package has arrived - you know it has - “gifts” are one of their games.

Don’t play it.

Please don’t respond to the PIL at all - they are complicit in this.

It’s the FIL and his enabling wife.

Doing any of these will undermine everything you have achieved.

Sit on your hands and bite your tongue.

Do anything and everything to not be drawn into this trap.

See it as a development opportunity for your DD.

SHE needs to feel what he is making her do.

+1 to everything @ESGdance has said.

The yay card is goading you into doing things or considering doing things that are playing into their hands, all over again.

Don't do it, don't play. Drop the rope.

ESGdance · 04/02/2022 10:22

Also your DD will be hugely hormonal post birth and with two toddlers and packing up to move abroad. She will be even more fragile and raw - keep distant and breezy - don’t put yourself or walk right in to “the frame of blame” - be in the background.

Know what game they are playing - cruelly yanking your chain - don’t let them do that.

Don’t let them compromise your strength resilience dignity wisdom

danny735 · 04/02/2022 11:09

'I would very much like to visit but I understand that this may not be possible'

Please do not respond with this!! You are alluding to the fact that you are not allowed to visit and playing right into LB's hands. This is the trap he has set for you, you must not fall into it.

LB feasts on drama and the strategic detached approach you have been implementing successfully has denied him this. Although I wouldn't be at all surprised if he has taken issue with the limited edition bear and this may why you haven't heard form DD1.

Please keep everything very light and cheerful.

"Thank you for the card, I'm so thrilled that DSG arrived safely and was so touched that he has DH's name. I can't wait to visit when DD1 and LB feel the time is right".

Apples do not fall far from trees in most cases. The more dysfunctional a family system, the more they will attempt to project a happy family façade. You do not need to explain yourself to PIL.

I understand that it must be excruciating to feel that you have been depicted as a Granny who goes on trips / holidays and doesn't visit her DSG. The people who matter know this couldn't be further from the truth. You know the truth. Deep down DD1 knows the truth. You need to drop the rope so that she will see it.

ESGdance · 04/02/2022 11:19

You need to drop the rope so that she will see it.

This is it. She needs to see and feel it from LB - your words and actions stop this happening and inadvertently prevent this ever happening as she becomes defensive and they weaponise ever word and action to make bullets to shoot you with.

Step away.

SirVixofVixHall · 04/02/2022 11:26

@ESGdance

Please don’t ask DD to visit - this is a HUGE learning opportunity for her.

Let HER sit in the discomfort.

Please don’t ask if the package has arrived - you know it has - “gifts” are one of their games.

Don’t play it.

Please don’t respond to the PIL at all - they are complicit in this.

It’s the FIL and his enabling wife.

Doing any of these will undermine everything you have achieved.

Sit on your hands and bite your tongue.

Do anything and everything to not be drawn into this trap.

See it as a development opportunity for your DD.

SHE needs to feel what he is making her do.

I agree with this now.
Lunde · 04/02/2022 11:41

@Chopinandchampagne

Thanks Billy. I am now thinking that a better form of wording to the PIL would be 'I would very much like to visit etc, but I don't know if it will be possible', which doesn't blame anyone, but leaves them to draw their own inferences.

Maybe, to DD, I should say something along the lines of 'I would very much like to visit but I understand that this may not be possible' ? Or is that letting her off the hook too easily? Also, if LB reads it, which he will, he will know that DD has spoken to me previously, and that might cause trouble for her. He probably can't understand why I am not already begging to come.

Oh, I don't know - save that I am spending too much headspace on this. I don't even really want to go, I don't think. It would just be too awkward and stressful, and I don't think I would cope very well with the journey and the tension. I feel quite fragile at present. I just want to weather this storm and kick the can down the road.

And yes, I am upset about MIL but, to be honest, she is ready to go. She lost her DH 17 years ago and never fully recovered, then her beloved elder brother, but losing DH was the last straw. She adored him and has been a broken woman since he died - and she used to be so strong. They said goodbye by FaceTime at the hospital, it was heart breaking, she said he would soon be with his DF.

But there won't be any inheritance. All her savings were used up in care fees long ago. She lives in a flat in central London, owned by her daughter, who lives close by. SIL could rent out the flat for a considerable sum - she originally bought it to let out - but she prefers that her mother lives there. The family pay the care fees (MIL has a live in carer) and SIL visits every day - or at least she did until MIL went into hospital. SIL is still paying the carers, so that they will be available if MIL returns to the flat, although this now seems unlikely. DH once said that his sister would never have behaved as DD has, and he never said anything bad about anyone, but I know how deeply disappointed he was.

DD3 and I were discussing having a 90th birthday party for her DGM only a few days ago. DD3 adores her granny. I suggested inviting DD1; but DD3 said no, she would only spoil it, create drama etc. I don't suppose she would come anyway.

Please don't send your proposed replies. I think you are a lawyer but you really don't need to write a full statement for the defence everytime you get a message. I think your profession may be leading you to over analyze and over word your responses. I don't really understand why you seem to feel the need to constantly justify yourself to and apologise to these people.

I would sit on your hands and not chase after your DD as it will only give LB further ammunition to use against you. Your DD is an adult, the ball is in her court. I know it is really hard as I had a DD in a similar abusive relationship and until she is ready there is really nothing you can do apart from being breezy and pretty shallow - if you give any hint that you are happy, sad, worried, disappointed etc .. it will be used against you.

I have no idea why you feel that you must respond or justify yourself regarding PIL's unasked (but hinted at) questions. If you really feel you must reply just go with a bright and breezy "very happy with the new grandchild and glad they are all OK". You don't need to explain yourself and you know it will get back to LB

SirVixofVixHall · 04/02/2022 12:10

Lunde s first paragraph about is just what I have been thinking. Don’t apologise, don’t explain. You have always acted with kindness and in the best interests of your child. That is enough, your actions are enough, you don’t need to explain yourself, you are not up in court on a charge of woeful parenting.
If you are given cruelty, neglect, selfishness, unkindness, don’t take it personally, hand it back to where it belongs. I am thinking of a counsellor friend who says that the silent, paused response is powerful .
Don’t ask about the parcel, look at the tracking if you want to check. Leave their stuff with them, you have no need to get involved in all these power games.

Suzysuz · 04/02/2022 12:17

Agreeing with all posters above ❤️

Please don't send that reply to his parents - you do not have to justify or explain yourself to them, you know the truth of the situation. They are not your friends, they do not even have your best interests at heart, they knew about the marriage and DGD1 and that it was being kept from you and DH for all those years, they are at best bizarre people or ranging to malicious game players. Rest on it but the nonchalant pleasant generic message is best, if you even wanted to reply at all.

Please also don't send a chaser message to DD1 about the gifts or a visit, earlier on threads there were the posts of allowing her to see the truth of her own situation, to not give any ammo to be used back at you (and there will always be something, some wording, some tone or undertone that will be pulled to find fault with).

❤️

GooseberryJam · 04/02/2022 12:25

Chopin, I've not had chance to post for a while but what a relief first off that the baby was born safely and that he and DD1 are well.

This latest message is of course painful. The advice here to resist responding is spot on, hard as it is. You remember my advice to make any message to DD no more than two sentences. Same applies to the PILS. Leave it a week and send a nice card with two sentences. One: thank them for the lovely card and yes indeed the baby is delightful. Two: You're keeping well and you hope they are too and send all your best wishes from you and DDs 2 and 3 (I say that because I don't think it hurts to remind people that you have other children and are not alone without Dd1). Send that and say NOTHING about trips, or visiting, or anything negative.

This is playing the long game. You can do this. I like the saying attributed to Napoleon about 'never interrupt (or 'never get in the way of') your enemy when he is making a mistake'. LB is the one on the scene. He isn't infallible, he can overplay his hand, DD will be unable to avoid seeing his control at work. Don't give them anything that interrupts or gets in the way of that, that can be blamed on you. Stand back, send positive messages or nothing at all, keep your distance and wait. Flowers

SisterConcepta · 04/02/2022 12:42

Dear Chopin
You have ventured into my thoughts often since I read your threads last year. I am so sorry for your losses and the emotional pain comes through so clearly. I wrote before about being vulnerable in old age as I watched a similar situation unfold in my old family and watched my DM crumble into ill health. The patterns are so similar and you are very vulnerable due to your grieving. I have detached completely from my DB/SIL and mourned the loss like a living death. I cannot imagine (as a mother) how I could do so from my DC.
However, I am going to go against the grain here. I do not see your daughter as an innocent victim of DV. I work with women who have come through horrendous relationships with all sorts of DV and I cannot for the life of me, imagine anyone of them treating their dying father and caring mother in the callous, cold and manipulative way your daughter treats you.
You talk about your relationship being loving and when things are going well but I see it all very one sided - she doesn't ask after you or her wider family but you are encouraged to buy books so that you can talk about what is very much her interest.

I have watched a woman in my wider family abuse those close to her in a way which has some similarities to your DD. All very charming and turning on the loving but invariably being the victim of work/family ect.. which pulls people in, feeling sympathy. Then there is a need for something - very usually cash. When the goods are not delivered, there is hell to pay and accusations start flying. People will be told all sorts of terrible things about the accused.
Eventually as most people start to withdraw, there would be a false diagnosis of illness (cancer was used once) and many rushed in again. And the whole dance starts all over. She doesn't speak to any of her neighbours, most of her family and her work place has been trying to get rid of her for years. I knew her when she was young - she was kind and funny and smart. I don't know what happened.
It is so hard to believe that our children can / will see us as a means to an end but it is happening up and down the country day in, day out. The help lines are inundated. Adult children do abuse their parents but it is something that is rarely spoken about because of the shame people feel. Decent parents always look at themselves as having failed in some way.
You can keep the door open, but please be wary and take care of yourself. You sound lovely and have so much to give the world.

DidgeDoolittle · 04/02/2022 12:57

I have read your threads but not posted before.
I think you are in a terrible position and my heart goes out to you.
I agree with previous posters not to send any reply at all. Everything will be twisted, no matter how innocuous. " so she can go to Africa but can't be bothered to see her own grandson " etc
A very good friend of mine had a similar situation with her daughter. Her daughter was totally controlled by husband and my friend couldn't do right for doing wrong. She was denied access to her grandchildren and kept at arms length from her daughter.
She decided to play the long game. She only ever contacted them via birthday/Xmas cards etc.She never got a reply or acknowledgment of any presents. Her daughter phoned her very occasionally ( usually when husband was out) and my friend had a policy of never criticising him. She kept the lines of communication open and kept things light and breezy when she called.
One day her daughter phoned her and said " mum I want to come home". She collected her and grandchildren immediately.
It took a long time ( about 10 years in this case) but stepping back and accepting her daughter's decision kept her sane.

AnnaMagnani · 04/02/2022 13:15

I would strongly recommend you do not send your proposed response to the ILs.

I think I recall advice on this thread that a bland response was no more than 3 sentences and yours is an essay. You definitely do not need to tell people you hardly know that you are planning a holiday to Africa this year!

Imagine the scope for misinterpretation.

Tell them nothing.

ESGdance · 04/02/2022 13:23

@DidgeDoolittle

I have read your threads but not posted before. I think you are in a terrible position and my heart goes out to you. I agree with previous posters not to send any reply at all. Everything will be twisted, no matter how innocuous. " so she can go to Africa but can't be bothered to see her own grandson " etc A very good friend of mine had a similar situation with her daughter. Her daughter was totally controlled by husband and my friend couldn't do right for doing wrong. She was denied access to her grandchildren and kept at arms length from her daughter. She decided to play the long game. She only ever contacted them via birthday/Xmas cards etc.She never got a reply or acknowledgment of any presents. Her daughter phoned her very occasionally ( usually when husband was out) and my friend had a policy of never criticising him. She kept the lines of communication open and kept things light and breezy when she called. One day her daughter phoned her and said " mum I want to come home". She collected her and grandchildren immediately. It took a long time ( about 10 years in this case) but stepping back and accepting her daughter's decision kept her sane.
I think this is an appropriate approach and a realistic timeframe.

Communication with them is JADEing your integrity and stance.

Justifying Apologising, Defending and Explaining - each of these actions undermines your credibility and makes you look weak - be strong and proud and wise enough of your own inner self to KNOW the truth without being lured into a compromising manipulated dialogue in their toxic mess.

You can JADE on here, with a therapist or briefly in your head as a one of sense check when you have been blindsided. But only to enable you to then get back to the truth and recover your dignified wise composure and emotionally intelligent strategy around bland detached grey rock.

Step back and step up to see what’s going on.

It will either fizzle out in a few days and then they will come at you with something else or they will step it up and spin a crazy narrative of “you don’t care” etc - don’t engage - have one or two lines on repeat “Sorry that’s how you feel. That was not what happened or my intention”

I think the tension is rising (even with the ILs) about the department to Ireland - and they are all looking to project and discharge it somewhere. Don’t walk into the frame of blame.

MehMahMoo · 04/02/2022 13:47

Completely agree with ESGdance (print it out! keep re-reading it!) - do not respond to any of it, do not ask after the gifts, do not thank, do not excuse your absence.

If you really must, then do not use the phrase "if it is possible" or variations thereon as it is VERY blamey. Do not mention your trips anywhere. Just don't answer. It does not matter what the in-laws think of you - and you can't tell what they do think from the communications you've had.

If you don't mind me saying, you do seem a bit over the top with gifts - sending flowers for the IL's dog dying does seem a bit excessive (my beloved dog died last week and I'd find it a bit crazy if anyone had sent me flowers, lovely and I'd cry, but over the top). Now that's fine in normal relationships, you're allowed to be the over-effusive gift giver, but these are not normal relationships, so don't ask after the gifts that you've quite reasonably sent for a new baby and his family. As said above, they've got them.

Wishing you well in this awful journey as you sound lovely.

Angelswithflirtyfaces · 04/02/2022 16:08

Absolutely agree with others.
Please stop over giving, your time, money, emotions, apologies, letters, cards justifications.
Being over giving, over grateful and overly concerned with this awful situation when have got zero back.
Your DD is repeating the same situation with not letting you see the other GC.
Nothing has changed?
Its so hard OP but you are titally consumed with coming across as too nice. Its not helped your cause, even if it goes against your very nature. These are cruel actions. Its ok to not respond at all. Flowers

billy1966 · 04/02/2022 16:12

I think if you can take the time to reflect you will see the value in simply denying them any drama.

LB will be on the hunt to take any offence he can.

If you can be so studied with your breezy impersonation of the most obtuse person around, by simply not getting into anything and not responding to any deliberate slights, I think they will be far more likely to hit the spot with them both.

They are living tiny little lives and you are a rare source of entertainment/diversion.

Deprive them of that.

I would be telling your daughter nothing of value, let her contact you with her news.

Be busy doing lots but without any specifics.

Grey rocking/medium chilling her.

Let her see you have accepted her choices, and are busy with your life and those of her sisters.

You will never change the freak he is.

The best you can hope for is that she matures some bit and sees him a bit more clearly.

He will be hoping you ask to see the baby, so if you could resist at all, it would definitely be the wiser play.

Flowers
SirVixofVixHall · 04/02/2022 16:33

I think there might be a huge shift in attitude when one of your other dds has a baby. That will be interesting.
The thing with bullies is that the more you acquiesce, the more compliant and apologetic you are, the more they will bully you. I agree with above posters, you are too “nice” , flowers to the parents of this horrible man , apologies, explanations.
I agree that you simply need to be uncommunicative and neutral, don’t share personal information, don’t explain to your dd what you are up to, just truly step back coolly and calmly, enjoy your other dds who appreciate you.
I think this quality of stuck, teenager-like behaviour from your dd is triggering your maternal response, but she is 30, she has three children, you need to let her make her own mistakes now and learn from them.

UserBot9to5 · 04/02/2022 16:35

@ESGdance

You need to drop the rope so that she will see it.

This is it. She needs to see and feel it from LB - your words and actions stop this happening and inadvertently prevent this ever happening as she becomes defensive and they weaponise ever word and action to make bullets to shoot you with.

Step away.

It is. I have been in chopin"s daughter's shoes. She knows Chopin will be hurt by the old nanny visiting, the other grandparents visiting, so "DD1" will know absolutely that her mother has dropped the rope to protect herself and to avoid stepping on landmines.

I knew it when my mother "gave up".

It was giving up on the situation.

UserBot9to5 · 04/02/2022 16:36

@sirvixofvixhall i agree. The dynamics will change.

Wherearemymarbles · 04/02/2022 17:39

Yep.
Once there is another grandchild from DD2 or 3 they’ll be on damage limitation. Though I guess you’ll have wedding shenanigans to deal with.

Also DD3 has it right re MIL. She see’s this all in black and white and after the graduation debacle probably couldn't care less if she never see’s DD1 again.

LadyEloise1 · 04/02/2022 17:59

As @Angelswithflirtyfaces says -
Stop being over giving of your
Time
Money
Emotions
Apologies
Letters
Cards
Justifications
Gifts

You will never get past Go as long as LB is in the picture.
DD1 is still too mallleable, sadly.
You didn't get to see GD1 for a long time.
Don't expect to see GS1
Have no expectations
Do not give them information on your plans - holiday etc.
It will be used in evidence against you. Angry
Stop being so blody nice @Chopinandchampagne*

Harsh but true.

danny735 · 04/02/2022 18:08

I agree that you need to step right back and detach from the situation with DD1.

Quite simply , it's taking too great a toll on you at this moment in time.

You are already in such a vulnerable position due to the devastating losses you experienced this year. Now MIL is also in poor health, that must be so upsetting and triggering for you.

I completely understand why you would feel the need to be in close contact with DD1 in the lead up to the birth of DGS. She almost died giving birth to DGD2 and has a history of ignoring medical advice. You know they are both safe now and it's time to step back.

As wise people have said - keep it bright, breezy and most of all brief! Keep the conversation banal - recipes , the weather , childcare. Giving any further information is simply handing LB the stick to beat you with.

I understand that is must be so hard to detach. She's your daughter, you brought her into this world and raised her with love and kindness.

However previous posters are correct , the manner in which she is treating you (and your entire family unit) is simply not acceptable and it's bordering on abuse . You are enabling her poor treatment of you by over giving , over explaining and apologising when you have done nothing wrong. Listen to UserBot9to5 - she's been in DD1's predicament.

You need to step back now and detach. View DD1 as a niece. Focus on yourself, DD2 and DD3. Increase your self care and build your resilience back up. You deserve so much better.

JayeBee · 04/02/2022 18:15

Hi has anyone gone through estrangement with an adult child?

SueblueNZ · 04/02/2022 19:00

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