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I don't think I will be allowed to see my new grandchild.

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Chopinandchampagne · 13/12/2021 00:27

Some of you may remember my previous threads regarding my relationship with my daughter and SIL.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/4145356-SIL-and-money-issues?msgid=109152806#109152806

It has been a difficult year, following the death of DH, with lots of firsts to get through, but I have just about survived, with a lot of support from DD2 and DD3, DH's family and friends. And, earlier in the year, DD1 told me she was expecting DGS1 in early January. This time she told me very shortly after the pregnancy was confirmed, and was clearly thrilled saying that 'new life' was coming after DH's death. She was delighted to find out that the baby is a boy, as SIL particularly wanted a son, after two daughters.

I had thought that, if there were any positives from DH's death - and it is hard to think of any, as I loved him so much - the family might be reconciled and healed. And I was very happy to hear about the baby, although a bit concerned, given the two previous emergency C sections (although I kept my concerns to myself).

DD1 has now moved to Ireland, having purchased a small holding with her inheritance from DH's aunt, as DH drafted his aunt's will so that his share would go to his DC if he were to predecease her. DD1 had sent me photos of the new property, says how much they love it over there, it feels 'so right' etc. They went for about a month and have now returned to the UK for the birth. I thought all was fine with my relationship with DD1, we were having natural conversations, FaceTimes with DGD1 and DGD2, ending conversations with 'I love you; etc.

I had enjoyed picking out some Christmas presents, which I thought they would enjoy. With the DGDs, I have sent presents which I knew they would appreciate, for DD1 some cashmere hat, gloves, scarf etc, and socks for baby, as I know it will be cold on the small holding, but also a food hamper, chocolates and candles sent jointly to DD1 and SIL, saying with love from Mum etc.

I spoke to DD1 on Friday and I could tell that there was something wrong, as she seemed more tense, less relaxed. She started by saying that she thought I should claim a refund for the hamper, that I had wasted my money, as the ham was too dry and not as good as supermarket ham. I thanked her for letting me know and said I would do so. She said the chocolates had too many additives, so they couldn't eat them (I had chosen dairy and soy free ones, as DGD1 had an allergy to dairy), so I said fine, just regift or donate them. They are generally happy with the DGC's toys, although I shouldn't send anything else. I said I understood, and was conscious that they wouldn't want too much stuff to take back to Ireland.

Then I asked her about how she was feeling and how the 36 week scan had gone. It seems that the baby is small (10th percentile), although appears healthy, but she is very worried about the birth, which is understandable, given the history. She wants a natural birth and is terrified of intervention. She thinks some of the medical staff are horrible and referred to one who asked her last time if she wanted a dead baby on her conscience, after she refused medical advice to have an elective C section. I made reassuring comments. She also said that she might not tell anyone when she went into labour as she didn't want to worry anyone, such as SIL's grandparents (last time she sent me messages before the birth and we spoke afterwards).

We then had a discussion about Ireland. They have run into some problems to do with the Forestry/Agricultural Commission which are preventing them from obtaining a felling licence and flock number, which they need to purchase animals. It seems that not all of the land has been conveyed to them and they have fallen out with the solicitor, whom they feel has been negligent. SIL spent a long time composing a letter and was angry when he only received a brief reply from the solicitor.

Anyway, after all that, I said that I and her sisters were looking forward to seeing the baby, especially after not seeing DGD1 as a baby, and DGD2 because of lockdown. She went a bit quiet and was non committal just saying Mmm, we'll see, I need to have the baby first. I pressed the point and she said 'SIL is my husband'. I said 'Yes, I know'. She said that I had tried to make her feel guilty over her treatment of DH and that she didn't feel guilty. She repeated this and then said that I had said that I was going to write SIL a letter in the summer and that it might now be too late. I was genuinely taken aback by this.

For context, before I visited in the summer, we had a heated conversation where I said that she had hurt DH (and me) by not telling him about the birth of DGD1 for 14 months or her marriage and by moving without telling us. I admit I was angry as I felt that DH had been cheated of precious time with his granddaughter, although I said that I knew she hadn't known that he was going to die. I said that I thought that she had been emotionally abusive in 'ghosting' us and I didn't want to form an attachment to my DGCs if there was a risk of it happening again. It would just be too painful. It made me afraid of loving them as I would wish to. DD1 had referred then to the incident, some years before, where I had made SIL leave my house (they weren't married then), as I felt he was bullying her. I said that it was all a long time ago and that 'Dad didn't do anything wrong, did he?', to which she replied 'No'. She said that SIL had told her not to be in contact.

I subsequently said, in another conversation, that I had been angry, but that I wasn't any longer, and that it would be nice if we could go out to lunch together, just the two of us, when I visited, and to start rebuilding our relationship. I duly visited, had what I thought was a very pleasant day with the family at a local attraction, then lunch with DD1 then next day. I said I thought that the previous day had gone well and she said that SIL had told her that he did not want me to visit too often (this was the first time I had visited since DH's funeral). I said that I was sorry to hear this and was there some way of resolving matters; that the 'incident' was all a long time ago, that it was time to move on, and that DH's death put disagreements into context. She said maybe I should say that to SIL and it was him I should be taking out or talking to. I said I would be happy to talk to him, but I doubted that he would want to go out with me, maybe I should write him a letter. So I floated the idea of a letter in a private conversation with DD1, but did not say that I was definitely going to write one and, upon reflection, I thought that it might be too much of a hostage to fortune.

During this lunch, which was mostly pleasant, and focusing on neutral topics, DD1 repeated again that she had cut us off because SIL had told her to, that she had had to choose and would always choose SIL. I said that I had made SIL leave my house on that occasion because I was trying to protect her, especially given her previous abusive relationship. She said she had not told SIL about this ie the previous relationship and she was not sure if she would behave in the same way as I did. She said she appreciated that I did not know that she would marry SIL at the time. I said that I understood that, in the final analysis, she would and should put her family first, but I thought she should also have some loyalty to her original family. After that, we returned to everyday topics and I thought we had both had a pleasant lunch, 'cleared the air', and that we were moving forward in rebuilding our relationship. However, it seems I was wrong.

When we returned to the house after lunch (for me to call a taxi back to the hotel), SIL went off to his workshop without speaking to me or saying goodbye. I went to the workshop and said goodbye and gave him a hug. I found it a gruelling trip without DH but went away thinking it had gone well.

Anyway, back to the present, I was blindsided by DD1's comments in the conversation to the effect that I should have written a letter and that it might be 'too late'. I said what did she think I should say in the letter. I said that it was all so long ago, that I had apologised to SIL, that we had met since then at DD1's 21st, that he had said we were 'ok'.DD1 said she didn't want anything that would upset her after the birth. I said that I would never do anything to upset her after the birth. I said that I was nice to SIL, praised him for his DIY skills and as a father, that I behaved in a civilised fashion, sent him cards and gifts, what more could I do, I couldn't make him like me. At this stage DD1 was clearly agitated and said she had to go and that she would speak to me another time. I said 'Alright darling, good bye'.

So I feel both devastated and empty at the same time. I had thought, after the most hellish two years, when I had to watch my beloved DH die and then lose his aunt, whom I was close to. When, more recently, my MIL nearly died, my sister in law has had major surgery, and I have lost one of my closest friends (the funeral is this week), I had thought that I had just about survived. I keep giving myself a talking to, saying come on, just one more step forward, nearly there, nearly the end of the year. And now this.

I apologise for the length of this post, but I would be grateful for any advice as to how handle the situation. Part of just feels like giving up, but I obviously don't want to lose DD1 again, and I am worried about the birth of DGS and would have wanted to be a support, not an aggravating factor.

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LifeInAHamsterWheel · 16/12/2021 09:41

I have thought the move to Ireland bonkers since it was first floated. I'm amazed they actually went ahead with it. They really really won't know what's hit them. DH and I are both Irish but moved to a different part of the country many years ago and are still considered 'blow ins' ! We've settled well and are very happy, our children love it and have great pals etc but only because we immersed ourselves and really got involved. SIL and DD definitely won't be doing that, and in fact have already alienated themselves by falling out with the solicitor etc (who will no doubt know everyone in the locality) To get along here in life, you really need to get along with the people in your area. as eveningbubble has said, it's really hard work to run any sort of farm here, and even harder to make a living from it. I, too, know many people who have a career alongside their farming job as it's just not possible to earn enough all year round from farming alone. It's the children that I'm most concerned about but if nothing else it does sound like your DD is a good and loving mum so hopefully they'll be ok.
Oh and I totally agree with the PP who said not to even mention your holiday (any holiday) until you've returned, LB will definitely take the opportunity to ruin it for you.
I hope you get through today ok, and give yourself time over the weekend to recover from the funeral and this latest bout of nastiness from SIL/DD Flowers

Star81 · 16/12/2021 09:43

I have to say it sounds like we don’t want gifts just the cash equivalent !

My heart goes out to you, seems no matter what you do it can be twisted at any moment.

Corbally · 16/12/2021 09:46

@BorsetshireBanality

Also, do teachers need some level of Gaelic to be able to teach? If so this would rule out OP’s DD from getting a teaching job which would leave SIL do the home educating and child care which I would imagine is not his thing.
It's called Irish, unless you're speaking Irish, in which case it's Gaeilge. Yes, they do, if they're primary teachers -- though there is a scheme, or used to be, whereby foreign teachers can be hired and undertake to do Irish language certification within a certain time period, maybe 2 years into the job?

For post-primary, no Irish language requirement, unless you're teaching at a Gaelcoláiste or in at a Gaeltacht school.

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 16/12/2021 09:46

Given that she's about to have a baby, I doubt the DD will be able to work anywhere for some time. Her teaching qualifications will need to be assessed, if she wants to teach at primary level then she'd need to either get the Irish language qualification (it can be done but I can't see how she'd possibly have the time to do it) or she's considered 'unqualified' so could still get a teaching post but the pay is much less. I'm not sure about the need for an Irish language qualification to teach at second-level, but either way her UK qualifications would need to be assessed and that can take some time. Also, if they live remotely there might not be that many schools/positions around.

BluebellCockleshell123 · 16/12/2021 09:59

Hi Chopin. I'm so sorry to hear of these latest upsetting developments, but very glad that you have again come here for advice. There are some amazingly perceptive people on this forum who can help you to clarify your thoughts at a time when you can be be overwhelmed or upset by their actions.

You have such good intentions and I am sure that you want to provide support for DD1, but you do need to pull back again. You have been dragged further into a very unhealthy dynamic and they are using you as a scapegoat so they have someone to focus on to blame for everything and anything that goes wrong for them. Think about what will happen if you remove yourself. With no one else to blame for their decisions, what will happen to DD1 & LB's relationship? Yes she will be more and more isolated, but I think it is the only way for her to realise what her life has become and who has manipulated her.

Please for your sake stop engaging with them. Everything you do or say will be pulled apart and used against you anyway so best to say as little as possible. The idea of using 3 short sentences for any message is a good one as it is a simple rule to follow.

I'm sorry about your lovely friend and I'm sure today is going to be very very hard for you. I hope you can be kind to yourself over the weekend and focus on enjoying time with your DD2 & 3 who sound lovely & caring. Your planned train trip sounds absolutely amazing! I hope you get to go on it in 2022.

Take care.

Chopinandchampagne · 16/12/2021 10:22

I am on the train now, heading for the funeral. I am feeling fine at present, well rested after a good night's sleep.

I just wanted to say an absolutely massive thank you for all of the support I have had, with special mention of the cake baking matriarchs! You honestly carried me through last night. I don't know what I would have done without you!!!

I will respond more individually, probably tomorrow now. However, in response to the latest posts about the viability of the small holding, it is in County Leitrim (Shannon).

I was interested in the comment about the solicitor spreading the word to people in the community. DD and LB originally thought that she was very good, and there is no doubt that she saved them from a disastrous mistake with the first property (and didn't charge them for the work which she had carried out on the transaction).

However, now DD and LB have discovered that she used to work for the vendors' solicitors, so think that she is acting improperly and has a conflict of interest. I am not sure that they have paid her bill, either. She has tried to call them a few times, but they refuse to take her calls. LB has written a long letter of complaint and is enraged that he only received a very short reply. I must say that they are not the sort of clients I would have wanted Smile

I don't know how they will make the small holding work. They haven't even got title to all of the property yet and it all seems to be bound up with red tape, for which they blame the solicitor. So I expect that they will have got various people's backs up before they even arrive. The sister of a close friend, who is Irish by birth, moved back but couldn't fit in, so returned to the UK.

I am not saying it is just an Irish thing, by the way. Most small or rural communities require people to make a bit of an effort to fit in and join in, before they are fully welcomed. LB doesn't socialise at all, doesn't have any friends, so far as I am aware, just wants to be with DD 24/7 and potter in his workshop. And he is certainly not a contributor or helper. In the early days, when he stayed at our house, he never lifted a finger to help, such as offering to clear the table after a meal etc. DD used to look embarrassed, but now it is her normal.

I don't get the impression that they have any intention of getting jobs, and they probably wouldn't have time, with three children under 4, animals to care for, land to be maintained in all seasons, and then home schooling as well. And then there are the farming courses which they will need to attend, in order to obtain the requisite qualifications. Phew, I need a holiday just thinking about it....!

OP posts:
youvegottenminuteslynn · 16/12/2021 10:30

Thinking of you today OP Thanks

Corbally · 16/12/2021 10:34

My part of rural Ireland has significant numbers of longterm resident foreigners in my vicinity I have a Kiwi, a French couple, three different lots of Germans, two English families, a Dutch/Portugese couple and two sets of Americans, all of whom have lived and worked here for years, and are thoroughly embedded and is, in my experience, significantly more welcoming to foreigners than any part of rural England I've ever lived. Where I made an effort for years, but couldn't hack through the xenophobic, and eventually stopped wanting to.

However, the meitheal attitude is still important in rural Ireland, as is basic civility, and if LB and your DD already have a bad reputation locally for not paying their bills and making enemies out of the very people they need to help them through the complex process of buying land, and are not interested in where they are living at all, I don't see it working.

CJSmith2019 · 16/12/2021 10:35

Thinking of you today @Chopinandchampagne I am glad the cake making gave you a smile. Someone used a beautiful phrase upthread, honour your grief. That is such a lovely description. I know this will be a very difficult day for you and all who mourn your friend. Take care.

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 16/12/2021 10:40

Wow 3 children in 4 years is quite some going. Bit of a red flag for abuse as well. I expect there will be more too.

mildtomoderate · 16/12/2021 10:45

Has anyone considered the fact that the DD might be being frosty to the OP for a good reason?

This thread is full of praise for the OP, but we have absolutely no idea what the DD's side of this is. My MiL would talk a brilliant talk on here, and can and has sent us some very expensive things over the years. She's incredibly clever, able to twist and manipulate language to make it appear that she is nothing more than a concerned mother, who loves her children unconditionally and only wants the best for them.

She is utterly toxic and we are now NC with her after being LC for years.

OP could be like that. It usually takes two to make a situation like this. Clearly DD isn't budging, so she has a whole set of reasons for that.

feelingdizzy · 16/12/2021 10:52

I think at one point, many years ago. I have been your daughter, I did ( still do ) have issues with my Mum lots of difficult stuff in my teens . We lived with it and at the heart of it my Mum is a decent living woman who really does love me .Sounds a lot like you.

Then I married a very controlling man who highlighted and emphasised these flaws and cracks in my relationship with my Mum and effectively made me choose he chipped away at me and isolated me and made me feel he was the only one in my corner , who understood me .Sound familiar !

My Mum also needed me so much that I found it stifling .

I would say , and what would have helped me is to stand your ground quietly and calmly don't join in the gaslighting pretending you are in the wrong just to please them.

Let your dd know you love her and can see how torn she is and that you respect her decisions and boundaries but she needs to respect yours .

Say you are not perfect but do all you do with love and kindness , and simply say SIL doesn't do this and is making her choose which isn't kind and she deserves to be treated kindly .

State you will always be here for her will not judge or ask questions all it takes is a phone call/ text or just turn up and you will support her .
That's what me of 20 years ago with 2 tiny kids and a man whose life's work was to control me , would have loved to have heard.

Me and my Mum are good now she loves me and I her in our own beautiful flawed way .

GooseberryJam · 16/12/2021 10:55

@mildtomoderate

Has anyone considered the fact that the DD might be being frosty to the OP for a good reason?

This thread is full of praise for the OP, but we have absolutely no idea what the DD's side of this is. My MiL would talk a brilliant talk on here, and can and has sent us some very expensive things over the years. She's incredibly clever, able to twist and manipulate language to make it appear that she is nothing more than a concerned mother, who loves her children unconditionally and only wants the best for them.

She is utterly toxic and we are now NC with her after being LC for years.

OP could be like that. It usually takes two to make a situation like this. Clearly DD isn't budging, so she has a whole set of reasons for that.

Sorry things have gone that way with your MIL @mildtomoderate. Of course these situations can occur. Can I ask though, do you continue to contact your MIL and ask for money, or berate her about your latest interaction with her? No, I thought not.
youvegottenminuteslynn · 16/12/2021 10:55

@mildtomoderate

OP is at a funeral today as she has posted about recently. Your post is in incredibly poor taste. I also believe you're wrong, but regardless today is not the day.

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fluoropostit · 16/12/2021 10:57

@Corbally

My part of rural Ireland has significant numbers of longterm resident foreigners in my vicinity I have a Kiwi, a French couple, three different lots of Germans, two English families, a Dutch/Portugese couple and two sets of Americans, all of whom have lived and worked here for years, and are thoroughly embedded and is, in my experience, significantly more welcoming to foreigners than any part of rural England I've ever lived. Where I made an effort for years, but couldn't hack through the xenophobic, and eventually stopped wanting to.

However, the meitheal attitude is still important in rural Ireland, as is basic civility, and if LB and your DD already have a bad reputation locally for not paying their bills and making enemies out of the very people they need to help them through the complex process of buying land, and are not interested in where they are living at all, I don't see it working.

I agree, Corbally, my DH is not from here and has been well received and there are a delightful amount of furriners at our school these days and everyone loves our small town and the small town seems to love them very much too.

However, I would say that many of my English associates, including dearly beloved and wonderful friends, have rarely been to Ireland beyond some weekends in Dublin, and so lots and lots of people genuinely aren't aware that Ireland I think has a profoundly different culture and history to England. They really are a very different people. Also, a lot of the farming community that I know is generations deep, and like pp have said, part of a tight web of community that it's as well not to piss off unnecessarily. I mean, the solicitor could well be married to a nearby farmer herself!

One of my farming friends bought some land that ran along their own farm a few years ago - it was the first time it had ever come up for sale out of the original family, I presume since the Land Reform acts. She said the family who had been there had been there for a few hundred years, they had to kill themselves to buy it because it would never come up again in their lifetime.

Farming's so interesting in Ireland as well because the land is so varied and also so very, very different to English agricultural land in the south east. I mean, at least LB and DD1 they are planning to keep a few animals rather than try and grow crops. But I have read so much Irish rural literature and history, because it interests me so much, and the sort of small farm homesteading that was just a way of life for many was definitely a tough old road! Too easy to romanticise from afar!

GooseberryJam · 16/12/2021 11:03

@mildtomoderate

Of course I don't *@GooseberryJam* but that doesn't mean OP is squeaky clean either.
OP's never said she's made no mistakes or errors of judgement. But the idea of the daughter as being badly treated here is severely flawed for me by the blatant and rampant requests/demands for money over the years. If you've decided a family member is harmful to you and you have to cut them off, you don't do that. Not without a total lack of integrity. Of course we aren't getting 'both sides'. We never do on any thread. And a poster doesn't have to be perfect to be able to ask for support. Presumably if you are suspicious of OP's good faith here, you'd still agree that the advice most people are giving - pull back, dial down contact and leave them to live their lives as they choose - makes sense for all parties.
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lessthanathirdofanacre · 16/12/2021 11:27

@mildtomoderate

Has anyone considered the fact that the DD might be being frosty to the OP for a good reason?

This thread is full of praise for the OP, but we have absolutely no idea what the DD's side of this is. My MiL would talk a brilliant talk on here, and can and has sent us some very expensive things over the years. She's incredibly clever, able to twist and manipulate language to make it appear that she is nothing more than a concerned mother, who loves her children unconditionally and only wants the best for them.

She is utterly toxic and we are now NC with her after being LC for years.

OP could be like that. It usually takes two to make a situation like this. Clearly DD isn't budging, so she has a whole set of reasons for that.

By the same token you are presenting only one side of your situation. How are we to know that your version is accurate? You could be spinning things to make yourself appear as the victim, while your MIL has done nothing that deserves the label “utterly toxic.” As you say, it usually takes two to create a situation like this. Hmm

The OP has never portrayed herself as perfect. If we’re honest with ourselves, we know that we all make mistakes. However, it certainly seems to me that she has been a loving mother to her DDs and wants nothing more than a close relationship with her DD1 and DGC. There’s no excuse for her DD to treat her recently widowed mother with so much hostility.

legosnowqueen · 16/12/2021 11:55

Thinking about you today @Chopinandchampagne a tough occasion for sure Thanks

MondayTuesdayWednesday · 16/12/2021 12:10

@corbally you’re right that many do make a living but those who produce the products like cheese, smoked fish etc and make a good living are usually very high quality because of the hard work that has gone in to the ingredients that are made to produce the product and the hard work that they have put in producing the product and can charge a good price. OP’s SIL has already proven he does not like or want to work but wants instant gratification which is never the case.

I do know a lot of people in traditional farming, mainly of my generation who have inherited farms and one half of the couple would jobs off the land. That wouldn’t have been the case in years gone by. It is very hard to make money in many cases,

ESGdance · 16/12/2021 12:28

If I remember correctly despite never working a day since graduating nearly a decade ago - LB and DD1 have already accrued significant financial assets (two mortgage free houses to rent out in the UK and at least £60,000 + cash savings from their ongoing puppy farming exploits) - DD1 recently also had a significant cash inheritance which I understand must have been sufficient to buy the small holding in Ireland outright because neither would be able to get a mortgage.

So they likely have enough of a revenue stream and financial buffer to continue to live their frugal socially isolated lives - even more so. They won’t want to be part of any community - so he will be relieved and satisfied initially.

DD1 sounds very resourceful and accomplished with cooking and childcare from which she likely gets significant pleasure.

So it’s not all bleak quite yet.

I think it’s tempting to imagine/wish that the wheels fall off their ventures to bring the DD1 back to the family. Her sensing any judgment or disapproval
in this direction is likely to cause her to dig her heels in to prove you wrong. At the same time fawning over their lifestyle choices will also be counterproductive as it’s too close to detail (always risk of tripping up or into something) and is inauthentic which they already know on an implicit level.

But more likely it’s if and when she will see her own children’s emotional and social development stifled and dysregulated by their isolation and witnessing and absorbing their fathers dysfunctional intense PD behaviours and moods swings that the penny may drop. They will be teenagers by then I suspect.

If Chopin wants to keep the door open until that time counter intuitively she needs to strategically right step back, have very tight emotional boundaries and consistently and constantly deploy grey rock so that there is no opportunity to be enmeshed, trapped and repeatedly / cyclically punished, rejected, neglected, abused, hoovered, groomed, exploited, manipulated and hurt which will see doors being slammed.

If the constant spamming with multiple texts and videos daily which demand instant response from the OP is still ongoing then this needs to be managed and stopped immediately. It’s both unhealthy for the DD1 and a ridiculous burden for the OP. The DD1 needs to turn around to seek her validation from her DH / LB (which she won’t get) and face the pain and consequences from the insight that it’s not there.

The OP needs to box them off so that she can carve out time and space to heal through this painful transition in her own life. Maybe see them both as a couple of rats in a cage that she has the option of crawling in to fight with or placing them up high on a shelf in the outbuildings of her world where she can’t see or hear them and connects with them from a huge distance blandly on specific dates in the year (birthday / Christmas cards, small gift, short functional face time) - anything closer is high risk. Ignore their texts - respond 48hrs later (because you need this time to calm down) with a bland cut and paste 3 line comment. Fill you life up with other activities and people who are encouraging, enriching, supportive and radiant to you - so that you are not preoccupied, overwhelmed, consumed and vulnerable to their nonsense.

VikingOnTheFridge · 16/12/2021 12:50

@HollowTalk

I think if you do take a lovely long holiday then you shouldn't tell them until you are back home as I can imagine lobster boy will try to ruin it for you. He won't be able to cope with the thought of you spending his money like that. I can quite see him persuading your daughter to ask you to come home to visit during that time.
Yes, definitely. Keep that to yourself.
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