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Friend's rude wife

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NeverEnoughJs · 12/12/2021 20:29

Not sure what to do here. My (male) friend's wife is openly aggressive towards me, friend puts it down to her being 'naturally abrasive' and 'slightly deaf' but my DH says she's definitely rude to me. Other mutual friends say she is noticeably more rude to me than anyone else, but indicate that they're not keen on her either as she is generally quite unpleasant.

After 10 years of 'just trying a bit harder to get along' I now operate on a three strikes rule with her, three horrible comments in a row and I stop engaging in the conversation, physically walk away or less frequently, stand up for myself. She is one of those people who picks holes in whatever you say, so disengaging is the easiest option.

It has come to a head this week when she cornered me in the loos and told me to leave a public event we were attending as a (smaller) group, I was there by myself with a mutual friend and her DH. I did the goldfish thing and then left because of how aggressive she was, and I presume she then pretended she didn't know where I was, which led to a lot of drama. I had already said during the week I would do my own thing at said event but then bumped into the other three in the car park on the way in, and felt too awkward to walk away.

I feel like I can't just keep putting up with this to keep the peace and it's actually really upsetting for me to have to defend my right to hang out with friends I've known 30+ years. I also don't like exposing my DC to her behaviour, although DH and I try to use it as a teachable moment when she starts.

I am very close to calling it a day with my entire friendship group because of how awful she makes everything, but her DH is adamant it's in my head, and says they are a package deal so he can't come to group stuff by himself. WWYD?

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Shoxfordian · 13/12/2021 06:34

Life’s too short to put up with this op

daisychain01 · 13/12/2021 06:39

@NeverEnoughJs

Her DH says it's just the way she is and I need to try harder to get along with her.
He's delusional.

You don't have to do anything, it isn't the law.

I'd have distanced myself years ago, I can't believe you've put up with it over the course of 10 years, what a waste of emotional energy.

daisychain01 · 13/12/2021 06:41

All the suggestions about saying things to the wife in different ways is just fanning the flames and a waste of time.

Motheroftigers · 13/12/2021 06:52

They are all her enablers and because you havn't stuck up for yourself in such a long time no one gives a shit now because its expected - especially her DH. She is probably so used to taking her shit she probably doesnt realise what a prick she is being.

You have given this women so much power you left a venue/evening night out because she told you so. You are an adult you did not have to leave. You need to look at why you are taking orders from this women.

Leave the whole group. And OP stop being so passive.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 13/12/2021 06:58

he dh says they are a package,
well were you expecting him without her?

NeverEnoughJs · 13/12/2021 07:12

Most of the rest of us do meet up by ourselves or with DPs or with the DCs, different for different things. She is ALWAYS there, and will ask after the state of our marriages if we go to things independently. She sees herself as a 'tells it like it is' or 'just asking!' type, which I find irritating in anyone.

I definitely have given her too much power but in the early days when I didn't take her shit it backfired on me and made me look bad, and didn't stop her. I have tried ignoring but when every conversation is turned around to having a go at me, in front of my friends, it's not a fun way to spend the evening.

At this point I think I will cut my losses and move on.

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Cherrysoup · 13/12/2021 07:18

You do NOT need to try to get along harder with her! She’s a cow and speaks to you like shit. You need to have comments prepared eg ‘Oh gawd, here we go again with the nasty comments, don’t you ever get bored of being such a bitch?’ Or yawn in her face and say ‘This again, Barbara? Give it up, you’re boring me-again’ and walk away from her. Her comments re the lights are clearly deliberately nasty. She sounds unhinged. Is she jealous that you share background with her dh or something?

dottiedodah · 13/12/2021 07:23

I think you need some new friends! She seems an absolute knob.Actually no friends would be better than this surely. Call it a day ,if her DH is making excuses for her, and saying you need to try to get along with her. thens hes as bad as her! Just meet up with the others on their own .If they ask then just say you dont get along . Shes probably jealous of you .

NeverEnoughJs · 13/12/2021 07:41

I think she probably is jealous. She introduces people I've known since primary school to me as "DH and I's very good friend" and then if I say I know them/our parents used to work together etc, she'll ask if I'm sure because they don't seem to know who I am (when they obviously do).

Part of why I let it go sometimes is because I'm embarrassed for her, and I'm embarrassed for him, that this is his DW and this is what she's like. We are a tight knit group and as a newcomer I did cut her a lot of slack, because I thought it must have been quite intimidating for her, but all the other partners and all his previous partners have at least made an effort to go with the flow. Two of the other partners don't massively enjoy our get togethers, so they sit some of them out, and everyone is cool with that. But I get the impression she would rather break up the original friendship group than take a night off.

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Shedmistress · 13/12/2021 07:58

She introduces people I've known since primary school to me as "DH and I's very good friend" and then if I say I know them/our parents used to work together etc, she'll ask if I'm sure because they don't seem to know who I am (when they obviously do).

I genuinely don't see how this happens. Don't you both go 'Hello James how are you, good to see you' etc and start talking before she gets a chance to 'introduce you'?

Or do you go 'nice to meet you James' and stand there in silence?

Utterly baffling how you let this woman walk all over you.

romdowa · 13/12/2021 08:10

Honestly, this guy doesn't sound like much of a friend if he let's his wife bully you. Time to ditch the pair of them.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 13/12/2021 08:18

why is her DH saying it is just the way she is?

have you talked to her DH about her?

just leave it op

NeverEnoughJs · 13/12/2021 08:19

@Shedmistress so I said hi James, how's it going? And she rushed over and went into host mode and say oh Never, you won't have met, let me introduce you. And he was like Confused and when I explained how we know each other, she asked if I was sure, then made a comment to him about being so funny with my usual tall tales and walked off laughing to herself.

When I read it back I'm just thinking 'avoid'.

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Shedmistress · 13/12/2021 08:24

[quote NeverEnoughJs]@Shedmistress so I said hi James, how's it going? And she rushed over and went into host mode and say oh Never, you won't have met, let me introduce you. And he was like Confused and when I explained how we know each other, she asked if I was sure, then made a comment to him about being so funny with my usual tall tales and walked off laughing to herself.

When I read it back I'm just thinking 'avoid'.[/quote]
Yeah or tell her to fuck off and then avoid.

You do not need to put up with this.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 13/12/2021 08:27

you want everyone to back you up by the sound of things?
they have been together 10 years
how have the last 10 years been?

Shedmistress · 13/12/2021 08:30

@MrsLargeEmbodied

you want everyone to back you up by the sound of things? they have been together 10 years how have the last 10 years been?
I'd say that her old friends calling out someone who is inferring she is lying about knowing people isn't too much to ask.

Everyone seems to just let this woman walk all over everyone and nobody pipes up.

ESGdance · 13/12/2021 08:34

The other partners who now avoid the group - was it because of her? If you leave the group - it will be someone else …. people like her always need to push someone down to keep themselves afloat - they need to emotionally discharge their toxicity, control and superiority - you currently are the target.

Back away quietly because she will use anything as fuel. Take yourself out of punching distance and watch her find another target in the group. I have seen this happen time and time again

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 13/12/2021 08:38

the person I was meant to go with said not to tell her DH what she said, she will find a way to capitalise on it and make me the bad guy

It strikes me that quite a few people can see her for what she is, but seem to be urging you to put up with it.
Your DH says she gives him a bad vibe. Two of the other people in the group don't enjoy socialising with her and stay away. So there is some hope that by going NC with her and her enabling DH, you could continue to see the rest of the group.

However, people like this I might have picked her up wrong because I'm sensitive to everything she says
these are the ones who are putting the social pressure on you to continue tolerating her. After 10 years, the rest of the group are used to this and see it as the status quo, which is horrible for you. They are not good friends. but the trouble with this is that you've been dragged into this drama (even though its against your will) and so it may be that they see you as part of it. They won't speak up because they are terrified she will turn on them.

It is very difficult to stop a relentless person like this, I just can't see this woman changing. She gets a kick out of it and out of pushing you as far as she possibly can. I suspect she'd love you to confront her as it would give her the chance to go NC with you. By cornering you at the venue (on your own where she can be at her nastiest) and making it so bad you had to leave, she really crossed a line and she knows it, and its not going to get any better. She was probably angry that her DH insisted you join them. Why did he insist? Was he trying to make them look good in front of the others?
Carrying on and ignoring the behaviour might would work in milder cases, but in this case it allows her to continue make nasty comments right to your face that go unanswered. Once she knows that, she has free range.

You are not related to this nasty woman. You don't have to put up with her ever again if you choose not to, least of all do you have to try harder with her.
If you do go NC let people know why in factual non emotive language so that they hear it directly from you.

TheRigatonini · 13/12/2021 08:45

She sounds absolutely mad. Even if you don’t make a big ‘fuss’ of it though, I don’t understand why you didn’t mention to someone in the group that she’d just cornered you in the toilet, said xxx weird shit and told you to leave.

You just didn’t mention it to anyone??!? None of your mates??!? I don’t get it! Confused

Shedmistress · 13/12/2021 08:46

Also, when she follows you into the toilets, don't engage with her! Just walk away.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 13/12/2021 08:47

it doesnt sound worth it op Thanks

alternatively just stick with it, dont let her win.
be over friendly. over nice.
otoh that sounds tiring.

BorderlineHappy · 13/12/2021 08:49

@NeverEnoughJs the reason your " friends" want you to put up with it,is because they know they'll be next.
So they've put you as the fall guy to save themselves.

I think you've outgrown them,cut your losses and let the group keep meeting.
Wonder how long it'll be before someone messages you about her behaviour.
When it's not hem on the recieving end.

GrumpyLivesInMyHouseNow · 13/12/2021 08:49

Forget the 3 strike rule, make it 1 strike.

As for her asking you to leave, next time simply say 'no'

I think because you're too towing round her and trying to keep the peace you're making it far easier for her to drive you out if your friendship group. Why the hell should you stand on your own when you've got friends there. Go and stand with your friends, if she's rude tell her she's rude. Or say to that she's made it clear she doesn't like you, so if she's not got anything nice to say, don't say anything at all'. The old 'did you mean to be so rude' is a good one, as is repeating what she said to you.

NeverEnoughJs · 13/12/2021 08:54

I want to think he insisted because it was the right thing to do, I'd travelled most of the day to get there, hadn't seen them in months, didn't know when I'd be back and he genuinely wanted to hang out. And looked past her track record of poor behaviour because it's normal to him.

Or he wanted to stir things up and create drama. I honestly don't know.

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GrumpyLivesInMyHouseNow · 13/12/2021 08:58

don't go off on your own, we haven't seen you in ages'

No thanks, hopefully we'll catch up another time

Tbh if you're planning on leaving the group I wouldn't give a shit what they thought and make her life hell for the next few meets and laugh about it. If you don't want to see them any longer

'Ohh I tell it like it is'
'No you don't, you just use it as an excuse to be rude'

'Her and her tall tales'
'Roll your eyes and say to that person, she's absolutely bat shit crazy' smile and talk about something else

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