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Wife and male thread. Not sure about it

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Enginesear · 01/12/2021 20:55

I have a situation that could really do with some level headed mumsnet wisdom please, before I try and navigate it, because I just don’t know if I have genuine cause for concern, or am just overthinking and being paranoid.

To set the scene. DW and I married for 10 years, with 2 primary school age children. We’ve always had a rock solid relationship with no issues.

We both have a shared interest/hobby, which she has gradually got into, as have the kids, and in recent years she has become the greater enthusiast. Through this she’s made a few new friends, male and female. but this is about one male friend in particular, let’s call him Steve.
DW has struck up a close friendship with Steve. I’ve had no problem with this up til now - she has lots of male friends. I’ve met Steve a couple of times and he seemed amiable and decent.

Steve is single and lives alone elsewhere in the country, but attends most of the events for this interest which happen in our area. My DW, a couple of years back started showing an interest in attending occasional events elsewhere in the country, and stays overnight at Steve’s on those occasions. Again I’ve had no problem with this, trust has never been an issue, and a I’ve never felt any reason to object.

However, recently a few red flags have started waving, that make me worry that there’s more to this friendship, like:

-These overnights at Steve’s have become more frequent, and have become full weekends rather than overnight stays. Two weekends on the trot now planned for after Christmas. This causes a bit of disruption to the kids hobbies/clubs, which I don’t mind now and then, but these weekends away now seem a greater priority to her than the kids clubs, time together as a couple, or anything else that could otherwise have been planned.

-She talks about him a lot. I don’t think she realises how much.

-They text each other a lot. I’m not privy to the contents of these conversations and have never considered it any of my business.

-There’s an event over the Christmas holiday that we’d talked about going to as a family. She seems to be steering me away from going though, insisting that youngest DC won’t want to go (youngest DC has told me he does want to go), which is weird.

There are other subtle little things but these are the main things bothering me.

I feel awful about it because I don’t want to poison the well by saying I’ve got an issue with it, or make her feel like she can’t be friends with who she wants, especially if it turns out that it’s all innocent. On the other hand their friendship is, at the very least, taking up enough space and time to be detrimental to family life. Not sure how I tackle this without implying some sort of impropriety on her part. Any advice, suggestions, head wobbling much appreciated.

OP posts:
Thisthatandtheotherthing · 04/12/2021 12:17

I think you're making a mistake in my opinion. With nothing but feelings going into this conversation all of your worries are likely to be dismissed and minimised.

Honestly I think it would be better to have a look at their conversation, as that will immediately tell you whether you have anything to worry about or not.
Cheaters who aren't feeling guilty don't offer information. Sometimes they do the right thing and come clean, but I don't think without any evidence that this conversation is going to do any more than give her the heads up to cover her tracks.
Sadly, I think it's highly unlikely that nothing at all is going on. At the very least your wife is emotionally invested in this man to an extent that she shouldn't be whether she knows it or not.

dibly · 04/12/2021 12:52

How did it go OP?

BlondeDogLady · 04/12/2021 13:27

I found out that my husband was sleeping with my best friend, by snooping on his phone when he was asleep. They both swore on their children's lives that there was nothing going on, even after I had read the messages between them that discussed the sex that they had had!

At this point, if she is sleeping with him, she will never tell you the truth. I'm amazed that you've ever been okay with her having sleep overs with another man.

PS. I ditched the husband and the friend!

Monalotmoore · 04/12/2021 13:34

I'd agree too, big mistake. You've now alerted them you suspect and they'll just get even better at covering their tracks.

colouringindoors · 04/12/2021 18:51

Hope you're ok OP

Pascal80 · 05/12/2021 01:21

OP I hope you are all right.

halloweenie13 · 05/12/2021 01:29

She's being inappropriate and whether anything is happening during these weekends or not she is spending a significant amount of personal time with someone who isn't her husband and like you said is now impeding on family time. Honestly I've never known anyone to have that many weekends away with just mates let alone mates of the sex/gender they are inclined to be attracted to. I would raise this directly with her and question what is really going on.

halloweenie13 · 05/12/2021 01:33

@Secretdancers

I think you won't get far with a conversation. I asked my dh many times if he was cheating and he looked me in the eye and said No. I knew something was going on though and kept in checking his phone until I found one short message that he'd forgotten to delete. You're clearly a very decent person, but if your wife is having an affair, she will not treat you back with dignity.
Agree I would be checking the phone by this point now! She's already been very suspicious and acted inappropriately within the realms of the marriage I would be checking the phone now for proof of adultery for the courts
bluebell34567 · 05/12/2021 12:56

i thought op would update us.
i dont know how to interpret the silence.
i hope all is well.

WaitingForSanity · 05/12/2021 13:06

Hope you're ok @Enginesear
Did you manage to have a chat with her?

lunar1 · 05/12/2021 13:29

I hope all is well. Sadly name dropping is often a real red flag for signs of cheating.

TheFoundations · 05/12/2021 14:57

@Allsorts1

Check her phone. It doesn’t need to “destroy trust” as she never needs to know if you don’t find anything. Too many red flags here I’m afraid. No shame in doing a bit of due diligence.
Trust is already destroyed. Otherwise he wouldn't feel the need to be checking her phone.

Even if she's innocent, OP, you don't trust her. That's a fatal blow to the relationship, and it's already happened.

LinoVentura · 05/12/2021 15:40

My DW, a couple of years back started showing an interest in attending occasional events elsewhere in the country, and stays overnight at Steve’s on those occasions. Again I’ve had no problem with this, trust has never been an issue, and a I’ve never felt any reason to object.

Mistake. It was inappropriate of her to ask and you were naive to accept this situation. She obviously needed you to make it clear what the boundaries are. I hope it's still not too late for you to be more assertive. In an ideal world you wouldn't need to, but life's not always like that.

LinoVentura · 05/12/2021 15:43

Yes, there has been nice new underwear, some just a week before her last visit to Steve

You have been very naive.

YourVagesty · 05/12/2021 16:06

Hope you're okay OP.

ironorchids · 05/12/2021 16:14

Tell her you're uncomfortable with her staying with him over weekends because it's getting to be a bit too much.

If you get the pushback is it because he's a male friend and not a female friend, then the answer is yes absolutely, of course it is. That's only natural and asking her not to stay at his place on weekends is completely reasonable.

If she pushes back on this hard then you know you're now having a different conversation.

Seadad · 05/12/2021 16:28

If OP's wife is having an affair, she's going to deny it. If she isn't having an affair, she's going to deny it.
Judging the reaction in a conversation to tell lies from truth can be very complex and nuanced.

For what it's worth, I don't think a naturally trusting partner who 100% has nonreason to doubt their spouse becomes suspicious overnight - your body is telling you something isn't right. OP - You could find nothing is resolved from your conversation but things still don't feel right - what then?

dreamsarefree · 05/12/2021 16:29

Missing point of thread but I wonder what the hobby is...

Monalotmoore · 05/12/2021 16:35

@dreamsarefree

Missing point of thread but I wonder what the hobby is...
It's not tiddlywinks if the new drawers are anything to go by...
LinoVentura · 05/12/2021 17:05

One thing that stands out for me is that the OP does not mention his and his wife's sex life. Or lack thereof. I suspect it holds some clues as to the state of their relationship.

MsDogLady · 05/12/2021 18:54

The OP may feel that he got positive results from his conversation and no longer needs the thread. I fear, however, that he was met with manipulative tactics from his Wife, who is way ahead of him.

Enginesear, if your W is deep into her affair fog, your appealing to her ‘better angels’ will not pierce her determination to protect and maintain the intoxicating ego validation. She will have already emotionally distanced herself from you and created a narrative to self-justify her behavior.

We are here if you need to talk.

Wherearemymarbles · 05/12/2021 21:07

I fear the OP’s silence is not all good news….

PinkiOcelot · 05/12/2021 21:35

Me too @Wherearemymarbles. Hope he’s ok. He sounded like a really nice guy.

TossaCointoYerWitcha · 05/12/2021 21:48

@LinoVentura

One thing that stands out for me is that the OP does not mention his and his wife's sex life. Or lack thereof. I suspect it holds some clues as to the state of their relationship.
OP said it was solid, which implies nothing awry on that front.

Actually, research has shown that cheaters often become more amorous with their cheated upon spouse.

YRGAM · 05/12/2021 22:01

I wonder if he's mentioned the thread