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Wife and male thread. Not sure about it

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Enginesear · 01/12/2021 20:55

I have a situation that could really do with some level headed mumsnet wisdom please, before I try and navigate it, because I just don’t know if I have genuine cause for concern, or am just overthinking and being paranoid.

To set the scene. DW and I married for 10 years, with 2 primary school age children. We’ve always had a rock solid relationship with no issues.

We both have a shared interest/hobby, which she has gradually got into, as have the kids, and in recent years she has become the greater enthusiast. Through this she’s made a few new friends, male and female. but this is about one male friend in particular, let’s call him Steve.
DW has struck up a close friendship with Steve. I’ve had no problem with this up til now - she has lots of male friends. I’ve met Steve a couple of times and he seemed amiable and decent.

Steve is single and lives alone elsewhere in the country, but attends most of the events for this interest which happen in our area. My DW, a couple of years back started showing an interest in attending occasional events elsewhere in the country, and stays overnight at Steve’s on those occasions. Again I’ve had no problem with this, trust has never been an issue, and a I’ve never felt any reason to object.

However, recently a few red flags have started waving, that make me worry that there’s more to this friendship, like:

-These overnights at Steve’s have become more frequent, and have become full weekends rather than overnight stays. Two weekends on the trot now planned for after Christmas. This causes a bit of disruption to the kids hobbies/clubs, which I don’t mind now and then, but these weekends away now seem a greater priority to her than the kids clubs, time together as a couple, or anything else that could otherwise have been planned.

-She talks about him a lot. I don’t think she realises how much.

-They text each other a lot. I’m not privy to the contents of these conversations and have never considered it any of my business.

-There’s an event over the Christmas holiday that we’d talked about going to as a family. She seems to be steering me away from going though, insisting that youngest DC won’t want to go (youngest DC has told me he does want to go), which is weird.

There are other subtle little things but these are the main things bothering me.

I feel awful about it because I don’t want to poison the well by saying I’ve got an issue with it, or make her feel like she can’t be friends with who she wants, especially if it turns out that it’s all innocent. On the other hand their friendship is, at the very least, taking up enough space and time to be detrimental to family life. Not sure how I tackle this without implying some sort of impropriety on her part. Any advice, suggestions, head wobbling much appreciated.

OP posts:
Yummypumpkin · 01/12/2021 23:00

Oh dear. I don't think Steve is washing sheets, hoovering, and getting nice breakfasts in because he is a nice chap.

Or because he one day dreams of opening a b and b and wants to practice.

Monalotmoore · 01/12/2021 23:02

Definitely don't let on that you suspect.

DevonsFinest · 01/12/2021 23:02

Strong smell of rat!

Skysblue · 01/12/2021 23:09

We don’t know if anything sexual is happening, no point me speculating.

But she’s seeing him so often, at the expense of family life, that it is already an ‘emotional affair’.

You need to talk to her. Don’t accuse her of anything, but explain you are no longer comfortable with the situation. “Look, things have got weird. You’re regularly sleeping over at another man’s house, to the extent that I and the kids are seeing much less of you. How would you feel, if I frequently slept over at a female friend’s house and texted her constantly? Why do you want to be there with him so often and not here with us? What’s going on? We can’t go on the way things are, this is making me miserable and we all miss you. What is missing in our marriage that you have to hang out with another man all the time? Is Steve / the hobby more important than your husband and children? ” Etc

I hope things work out for you all.

Plumjamorcrumblyham · 01/12/2021 23:10

I would be very concerned. But I also would have brought it up long before now TBH.

You need to speak to her.

Personally I would look at her phone too. But then DH and are fairly open with our phones.

If it is all innocent then at the very least she is being incredibly disrespectful to you as her husband. DH and I would never presume that it was ok to spend the weekend with the opposite sex.

I don’t believe it’s innocent though. At the very least it’s an emotional affair.

YuleHaveAWonderfulChristmas · 01/12/2021 23:23

Those isn't innocent. Do some digging.

Carpetsareforflying · 01/12/2021 23:25

Get your ducks in a row before you let on you know. You've no idea how she might react when you accuse her and you need to make damn sure she wont be just lock you out the kids lives.

Cheerbear24 · 01/12/2021 23:26

Lots of red flags and plenty of opportunity I’m afraid.

Redshoeblueshoe · 01/12/2021 23:32

It doesn't sound innocent to me.

Enginesear · 01/12/2021 23:39

I definitely won’t confront her about it. Thanks for the advice on that. Prior to this thread I’d probably have broached the subject in the least accusatory way I could, but would probably have inadvertently given her the heads up to change phone passwords and delete messages.

Looks like I’ll have to try and check her phone. Will feel like shit for doing it, but probably the only way of getting answers.

OP posts:
snowballsanddespair · 01/12/2021 23:44

I was your wife in this situation. I hadn't slept with my Steve but I had fallen for him.

I was always on my phone.
I'd changed my settings so I didn't get alerts on my lock screen. I didn't change my password but I didn't leave my phone around:
There was definite mentionitis.

I'm also not someone that usually advises people to snoop but I'd also try and get a look at her phone.

Enginesear · 01/12/2021 23:46

By the way, I’m sure anyone reading the thread will have cottoned on, but the title of the thread should be “wife and male friend...” not “wife and male thread....” Blush

OP posts:
Enginesear · 01/12/2021 23:48

@snowballsanddespair

I was your wife in this situation. I hadn't slept with my Steve but I had fallen for him.

I was always on my phone.
I'd changed my settings so I didn't get alerts on my lock screen. I didn't change my password but I didn't leave my phone around:
There was definite mentionitis.

I'm also not someone that usually advises people to snoop but I'd also try and get a look at her phone.

I hope you don’t mind me prying, but how did the situation end?
OP posts:
RobertSmithsLipstick · 01/12/2021 23:50

I think the fact that you're so reasonable has led your wife to take more and more liberties as time has passed.
She doesn't even suspect that you suspect anything, and little by little things have increased with Steve and the sleeping over nights.
Plus, it sounds as if she is rather dismissive of family life at the minute.

I suppose it depends on what outcome you would be hoping for, whether you dig or broach the subject.

A chat might be enough to put a stop to it, bring her to her senses. Then what?
No questions, move on and put it behind you in order to save your marriage?

Or is cheating absolutely crossing the line?

I'd dig, personally.

Allsorts1 · 02/12/2021 00:06

Check her phone. It doesn’t need to “destroy trust” as she never needs to know if you don’t find anything. Too many red flags here I’m afraid. No shame in doing a bit of due diligence.

Lalliella · 02/12/2021 00:34

You sound lovely OP, and your wife is an idiot if she is cheating on you, I’m afraid it does sound a bit suspect, and even if nothing is going on she is spending too much time with this guy and not prioritising her family. I do hope it all works out ok for you and she realises how lucky she is to have you.

MsDogLady · 02/12/2021 01:14

Your wife is having an affair with Steve and you have witnessed the escalation: Mentionitis, over-frequent texting, extending her stay-overs, deprioritizing the children’s activities/couple time, dissuading you from attending the event, devoting 2 entire weekends after Christmas, purchasing nice underwear right before seeing Steve.

Considering the above evidence of ramping-up and having multiple opportunities, I would assume that their EA has now turned physical.

Do not question her, thereby giving her a heads up to go further underground. Check her phone and any relevant statements/records. Take photos with your phone. In my view, this is justified, as your emotional health and the stability of your family are at risk.

She has used your good nature to make a mockery of you and the children, and you need to get to the bottom of her deceit.

Good luck, Enginesear.

swissmodel · 02/12/2021 01:41

Flame me all you want but I think as a rule men and women can't be just friends.

Hopingforabagofbuttons · 02/12/2021 02:10

I wouldn’t try and discuss this situation with her. She is spending more and more time with a single man, she knows it’s inappropriate. If you list all the things that have set your senses tingling you will see it is more than enough to want to look into this further.
Ask her and she will deny any wrongdoing, you will be labelled as paranoid and controlling, on top of which she will delete any incriminating evidence double quick. I don’t really agree with checking up on peoples phones but there are times when you have little choice, this is one of those times. It’s the only way you are really going to get a true picture of what’s going on.
Sorry, you sound like a good guy, you have been very accommodating and from the outside it looks like she’s taken you for a mug. Hopefully you can check for yourself and it won’t be as bad as it’s looking right now

togfee · 02/12/2021 02:20

Sounds like Steve’s the new hobby

Helpstopthepain · 02/12/2021 02:41

You sound so nice and I think she’s taking advantage of that. I’m not saying be horrible btw but she is using your niceness to her advantage.

How is your relationship apart from this?

TarasCrazyTiara · 02/12/2021 04:27

LTB is Mumsnet shorthand for leave the bastard - in this case I’ll say LTB - leave the bitch.
She’s sleeping with Steve and taking the piss big time. Honestly you should have had a problem with her sleeping at a single mans house regularly - that’s just asking for trouble. Why would you allow that?
I can only imagine how my DH would react if I suggested sleeping at some single guys house across the country regularly.

Maskless · 02/12/2021 07:18

20 years ago my best friend did similar, though she had no kids and told him she was camping with a small group he'd never met, one of whom was called STEVE. In fact she was driving 100 miles to spend most of the weekend in bed with Steve. Hubby trusted her 100% and waved her off cheerily when she left for her weekend "camping trips". (He hated sleeping in a tent.) This went on for 3 years. I don't know if he suspected but was scared to ask in case rocking the boat meant losing her.

Eventually she went off Steve and decided hubby was a nicer, better person to live with. They are still married, just approaching 30th wedding anniversary.

girlmom21 · 02/12/2021 07:31

Even if she's not sleeping with him he's taking priority over your family and that needs to stop.

beastlyslumber · 02/12/2021 07:37

@Enginesear

I definitely won’t confront her about it. Thanks for the advice on that. Prior to this thread I’d probably have broached the subject in the least accusatory way I could, but would probably have inadvertently given her the heads up to change phone passwords and delete messages.

Looks like I’ll have to try and check her phone. Will feel like shit for doing it, but probably the only way of getting answers.

Sorry, I know that "snoop on phone" is standard MN advice, but it is a serious breach of privacy and I don't think it's okay. You are married. If you can't talk to your wife about this, then the marriage is over, anyway, regardless of what's on her phone.

Think about how you want to proceed, and have a conversation. Ask to see her phone there and then if you really must. You will know from talking to her whether you are being listened to or just fobbed off. If the latter, then you know she's checked out of the relationship already.

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