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Husband doesn't love our baby

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Hbos89 · 02/11/2021 04:27

Hey guys, I really need some advice.
My husband and I have been together for 5 years. Our oldest daughter is 2 and we have a 2 month old baby girl.
Since being parents, we've struggled as a couple but we've been working hard on overcoming our issues. But that's for another thread.

Right now however, I'm faced with something that just feels like it's the end for us.

When I got pregnant the second time, my husband wasn't as involved as the first time around. He didn't care much about the ultrasounds. Didn't follow up on how big she was or how she was developing. I thought maybe it was just less special cause he'd already seen it all once before. But it's all just gotten so much worse since she was born.
There must be about 500 pictures of our oldest daughter on his phone from the first few days in the hospital. Of the baby, there are none. I noticed he never picked her up unless he had to. He doesn't call her sweet names, which he did/does all the time with the oldest. He says things like 'I wish she would just sleep all the time. Any time she wakes up, I can't stand it. I don't have the energy to deal with her.' He also gets very angry when she cries, like she' s doing it on purpose to annoy him. Today he admitted to not feeling any love for her at all.
I've tried to take care of her all on my own. I do all the feedings, chance all the diapers, hold her when she cries. And I'm doing that on top of caring for the oldest and doing the household (70/30 for me I'd say). Problem is that our youngest also has bad reflux, so she cries a lot when you put her down. I carry her around upright all day long. I don't ask for much help, but when I do it just escalates very quickly. Last night I asked if I could take a bath and leave the baby with him. I was gone less than 10 minutes when I heard her crying. I texted to see if he was okay, after which he came barging in, dropped the baby in my arms fully clothed and walked out saying 'I'm going to f*ing kill her!', punches a wall before leaving and then he's gone.
This kind of thing has happened several times before. Never with the oldest.
I'm trying to be understanding. He's having a hard time feeling any love for her. That's not something he chooses. I know he feels ashamed that this is happening. It's all so out of character for him. He's always been nothing but gentle with our oldest. I'm the strict one and he'll just give her anything she wants if she smiles at him nicely. But I just feel unsafe around him now. I'm afraid he'll end up hurting the baby. I also feel very alone. I never get a break and I feel like I have to love her enough for the both of us.
Despite our issues in the past, I have never felt like I loved him less for it. But this is different. This is my baby. My kids are my whole world and I'm very protective of them. It scares me, but I'm not looking at my husband the same way anymore.
I've asked him to talk to someone, our family doctor or a therapist. He refuses.

Help! What would you do if you were me?

OP posts:
Indoctro · 02/11/2021 08:39

He has male postpartum depression, and needs to seek help urgently .

Indoctro · 02/11/2021 08:40

Please forward him this link to read

www.nct.org.uk/life-parent/emotions/postnatal-depression-dads-10-things-you-should-know

Threewheeler1 · 02/11/2021 08:41

@SillyDoriswithaDangler

Your child is in immediate danger of being handled roughy/dangerously, shaken or worse. You need to get her away from him.
Oh my god yes. Exactly this. Please OP, get your baby to safety. You cannot predict what he will do but he's given you a clear indication of what he is capable of. Your tiny baby is helpless and fragile and this man is a threat to her.
Indoctro · 02/11/2021 08:43

@FrancescaContini

Kick him out now. What he said is terrifying. Please don’t expose your DD to his anger or remotely trust or forgive him again. He’s dangerous.
Would you say this if it was the mother struggling..?

The man has mental health issues, I'm not sure his wife kicking him out is the answer.

Men suffer from postnatal depression too.

This is a horrible thing to say, and I doubt a woman would be treated this way.

mamaoffourdc · 02/11/2021 08:43

[quote Indoctro]Please forward him this link to read

www.nct.org.uk/life-parent/emotions/postnatal-depression-dads-10-things-you-should-know[/quote]
Absolutely this - you are both doing the right thing by him moving out for a while and hopefully he can get help x

NowEvenBetter · 02/11/2021 08:45

If you document his behaviour choices with some authority it will help in future. Report his violence and death threats, for the sake of your kids, stop trying to help the man, that’s his job. And no, men can’t be ‘postpartum depressed’ because they can’t be pregnant. They can be depressed at their choice to have a kid, sure, but that’s for their GP to fix. And it doesn’t make them violent.

Offmyfence · 02/11/2021 08:46

Baby is here now, so nothing you can do. This is a reflection of your husbands unhappiness within the marriage, in my opinion. Bringing a child into an already failing relationship is not going to make the relationship better, it is going to be the total opposite.

Your husband does have to leave, you will have to remain in the home with the two children.

Hopefully, once he is out of the unhappy relationship, he will realise that it is his not his daughter he is angry with, it is himself and the relationship and she is innocent in all this.

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 02/11/2021 08:49

Would you say this if it was the mother struggling..? Yes. Many have done on here before now.

Getting some distance between the potentially violent parent, male or female, and the child is of paramount importance whilst other avenues are explored.

V3nus · 02/11/2021 08:49

I wouldn’t leave the baby alone with him as he sounds like he has very little control over himself and his anger.
His behaviour is unacceptable and you must be finding this incredibly hard to handle.
You’d be better off alone than feeling his smouldering resentment and contempt.
How awful for you, I’m sorry this is happening. Do you have family nearby?

VitalsStable · 02/11/2021 08:50

Watch 24 hours in police custody that was aired last night.

21stDentistryGirl · 02/11/2021 08:51

This does sound a lot like PND, which I’ve never seen in a man but understand that it can happen. Colicky babies do test us in ways that other children might not, so he’s probably never seen this side of himself before and it’s no doubt terrifying for him. That said, the risk of violence is too great and you are taking on far too much. You’ve already been through so much. I think he needs professional help very quickly.

TravelLost · 02/11/2021 08:54

Good he is realising it’s not ok.

But what is he going to do? He can go to his parents. He will feel calmer I’m sure. And the what?
Is he going to book a private counsellor? NHS waiting time are too long there Imo. Not when he is already at the point if punching walls.
Is he going to see his gp and tell what is REALLY happening?

Is he also realising that leaving you to deal with the wo dcs on your own and refusing to help when one of them has reflux aka is unwell is crap???
Because I’ve had PND and I promise you i haven’t stopped looking after my baby, punched walls or anything like this. So yes depression can express itself in many ways. But somehow he is also choosing to express it in that way because he can afford to Aka he can just dump the baby with you and run away wo any consequences. If you were the one with PND, Even if you wanted to, you couldn’t.

Fetarabbit · 02/11/2021 08:55

Would you say this if it was the mother struggling..?

A woman displaying this behaviour should be referred to a mother and baby unit, or seek support away from their child if that's sadly not possible, yes. No matter whether the cause is mental health related and not someone's 'fault', the danger to that child remains. This sounds beyond struggling as he admits he can't seem to regulate his feelings and actions, he poses a risk to the child.

Kathers92 · 02/11/2021 08:56

People on here really have no time men at all do they. I suffered from postpartum rage after I had my DS although I was never angry with the baby it was mostly directed towards my husband, which I felt awful about.
Instead of insisting I was abusive and telling me to leave and ruining our 10 year relationship he helped me. I went to the Doctors got some medication and I am now perfectly fine.

How your husband is behaving isn't okay and you need to tell him he sorts himself out and makes a doctors appointment tomorrow or he can leave because not sorting his issues is not okay.

Just on a side note, I did not hit anyone when I was suffering with postpartum rage however I did throw things and generally lose my temper, I can understand why you are worried about what he said but posters jumping straight to “He's going to kill the baby” do not help anyone. He had enough control to give the baby to you unharmed. Just as i always had enough control to never physically assault anyone when I was having issues.

Fetarabbit · 02/11/2021 08:57

I suffered from postpartum rage after I had my DS although I was never angry with the baby it was mostly directed towards my husband

Whilst that's still terrible, it's not the same is it. He has shown anger towards the baby.

TravelLost · 02/11/2021 08:57

FWIW I hate the word make post partum depression.
Much too close to PND when the mechanisms are completely different.

I also have an issue with the fact that those men then needs to be supported, not given too much to do with baby etc… whilst mothers with severe PND are hospitalised with their baby. No getting away from them then….

21stDentistryGirl · 02/11/2021 08:59

To everyone questioning DH, I’m sure he is well aware of his many failings right now and no doubt that’s part and parcel of the aggressive outbursts.

TooManyPlatesInMotion · 02/11/2021 09:00

You need to leave or he needs to leave. There may well be issues such as severe depression that are promoting this behaviour but that doesn't matter in practical terms if he is not safe around the kids and you. Their and your safety comes first. Leave. And urge him to seek help.

TravelLost · 02/11/2021 09:00

@Kathers92 the difference though is that you dint refuse to go and see a GP.

The OP has helped him by taking over everything to do with the baby. Despite probably really needing support herself as the baby has reflux and she is only two months post partum.
She supported him and asked him to go and see a GP.

His first reaction? NO

At which points should you put the needs of the child first vs the need of the father?

TravelLost · 02/11/2021 09:01

@21stDentistryGirl

To everyone questioning DH, I’m sure he is well aware of his many failings right now and no doubt that’s part and parcel of the aggressive outbursts.
In that case, why did he not go to the GP before those outburst became so bad? I would and did
Mailista · 02/11/2021 09:02

OP, your second post sounds like a good way forward. I, too, had been going to mention male post-partum depression: I once did a lot of research into this, and it's a real thing. Given that your husband has no previous 'form', it's definitely something for you both to explore - but not while you're in the same physical space. I would give him the benefit of the doubt re his crying - again, because he appears not to have any previous form for manipulative behaviour. He may well be genuinely frightened/remorseful. But, again, you and he can only work this out if you separate (hopefully temporarily - him moving to his parents' house is a good idea).

Vanishun · 02/11/2021 09:03

Why is everyone forgetting that his behaviour started before the baby was even born?

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21stDentistryGirl · 02/11/2021 09:05

@Vanishun That’s a very good point.

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